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zero129 said:

Wow you guys are cursed xD, honestly would it be one of them things where if you think its going to go wrong it will?. Like that book "The Secret" or whatever its called??, Anyways it says how what we think we make real, so if we see our self's always having bad luck and things going wrong they do?.

It has been my job to find everything that can go wrong, or rather that's part of programming good software. It's 'automatic', I can't help but be debugging FS2020 as much as I fly around lol.

Bad luck is one thing, whatever remote you're holding acting up (we have gone through dozens) is a pattern. It's a mystery. And the youngest seems to have inherited it since I have to reinstall the printer driver on his laptop all the time. He has the same laptop, same software as his brother. One works fine, the other acts up a lot. Mystery.

And I couldn't help myself but to access the windowsapps directory and take a peek. Wow, 39 thousand files for 3 games. And I thought the installation of FS2020 was messy. Dunno which one is FH5 (also have Halfo Infinite campaign and Snowrunner installed) Browsing through the list there are a lot of garments. For example:
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 397,419 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_F.zip
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 184,470 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_F_AI.zip
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 353,135 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_M.zip
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 161,979 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_M_AI.zip
All have 2 or 4 versions, all zip files. No wonder it takes a long time to load from HDD.



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kirby007 said:

you are lucky noone watches these vids otherwise you would be so getting cancelled over that asianboner comment

Ironically, I expected as such: I figured the five or so views I get from this forum would be it.  Instead I just sat here for 30 minutes reading this thread lol

Azzanation said:

Its funny, i have done the Maths for people on this site since GP was announced. People just don't want to believe it. GP is extremely profitable and MS will never announce its profits directly. They will downplay it to keep the price flexible in the future. On top of that, the GP/Live bundle adds another incentive to get gamer's to pay even more for Live which would be earning a fortune in itself. Two Major services bringing in billions a year is exactly why other companies will be following this eco-system soon.

I don't think other companies are going to follow this eco-system entirely because then they're either "copy paste" replicas, or they'll likely not have MS infrastructure.  People forget MS has more than just money: they have cloud servers all around the world that already serve their other products.  MS has resources that go beyond money, so their ability to "upset" the gaming media with a sub service like Game Pass would be hard to match by Sony or Nintendo.  Sony COULD try to invest in PSNow, but it would cost them in developing the necessary infrastructure, ORRRR the irony would be that they'd just rent MS  cloud servers to do it lmao

curl-6 said:

I don't hate Game Pass. It's just not for me; I prefer to own my games.

People also often act like its this megaton killer app that's going to turn the tides of the console war, when the data says that simply isn't the case.

The data literally says otherwise... Which even though the thread has mostly shut down these arguments on its own, is the whole "GP is bad for devs/publishers" and "GP kills game sales" and "GP isn't profitable" etc. etc. despite the data showing games on Game Pass still sell just fine on their own while increasing the sub counts for GP.  The data simply says, "money" which is the only thing these companies are after.

smroadkill15 said:
Angelv577 said:

I dont have a problem with gamepass but based on my needs, I rather buy the games I want to play whenever I want to instead of someone else dictating what I should play. dont have unlimited time to play plus before gamepass, I already had a backlog of more than 1,000 games that I bought everytime I saw a potential game on sale. besides, most games drop prices in a couple of months after launch anyway. deadloop is at $30 right now. in other words gamepass is not for me.

That's total cool. Game Pass isn't for everyone and I get that. It's just funny when some start throwing around bs like; "game pass is bad for the industry" and "the games are all gaas" or whatever other crap takes they can think of. 

You forgot the "GP kills game sales" one!  I love that one the most because GP itself IS the source of the money.  Buying a game has the SOLE PURPOSE of providing money to the publishers/devs etc.  GP also provides money to the publishers/devs etc.  The irony is that whether someone is buying games or subbing to GP, BOTH are putting money into the gaming industry.  BOTH actually serve the exact same purpose, so the "GP kills game sales" is literally just an e-peen measuring contest about how many units sold and not an actual understanding of how we, as consumers, feed the companies either way lol

dx11332sega said:

There's a right to not like gamepass , It's games library feels 90% western and 10% japanese except the big ones , Microsoft will never fix this , and I'm throwing the towel , Microsoft is too western and compared to Xbox 360 years in 2010 I always wanted Xbox to be more asian friendly than Xbox 360 , I started seeing too many western games on switch too now making it harder to navigate japanese games .

While I also agree that Xbox needs more weeb reach, this is a moot point: Disney+ doesn't have enough anime for me like Crunchyroll.  This is less a "right not to like Game Pass" and more about preference.  If you don't like Game Pass for not having enough JRPGs, there's an angle there.  Instead, you can freely feel that Game Pass is not right for you because of your preferences, but not liking the service because it doesn't have what you want is the very basis for a lot of the (ironic) dislike for Game Pass.  Surely you know I wouldn't say any of what you said about Disney+ simply because it doesn't have anime like Crunchyroll...

SvennoJ said:
zero129 said:

100% i can understand that. Like i was saying if i was having so much shitty luck id never want to look at a PC again.

But saying that user faults aint really PC's fault (Except for the MS store can be funky). I mean i have often seen people have problems when it comes to PC sometimes but for you its just one thing after another. Its like when it comes to PC nothing will just work for you without you having to do a big run around.

Oh well thank god its not like that for most PC users or maybe PC gaming really would be dying instead of growing.

You haven't met my wife yet. By now we're convinced she must have some kind of EMP field around her as electronics and her don't. No matter what laptop I buy it will crash on her. Same with her iPhone, random lock ups, always problems with internet, wifi and 4g. I have to reset the Netgear router at least once a day. The pvr crashes often when she uses it or won't respond. And all that works for me. I take over and it's fine...

So it can be a lot worse than my experience lol. But we're quite the pair, anything that can go wrong, will go wrong, repeatedly.


If it makes you feel any better, my sister is that one: anything electronic around here seems to have issues.  And I've told her it's got to be her energy levels: humans technically run on electricity.  Your brain sends electrical impulses everywhere in order to operate, and I'm of the belief that our energy can and does effect things around us.  It's why I take good care of my things: I'm a firm believer that it's not specifically the fact that I always clean and take care of my stuff that actually keeps them going longer, it's that my energy towards it in this mindset is non-disruptive.

I mean, my Elite V1 controller is still working just fine ALL these years later, and there are only two issues: I had to swap the analog stick cap between the two sticks because one became loose (but did not affect operability, it just felt weird); and the rumble has done its slow wear-and-tear on the plastic and has shaken things loose (it makes plastic vibration noises when rumbling).  I clean that thing a LOT and take good care of it, though, because it was a $150 controller haha!

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ZyroXZ2 said:
curl-6 said:

I don't hate Game Pass. It's just not for me; I prefer to own my games.

People also often act like its this megaton killer app that's going to turn the tides of the console war, when the data says that simply isn't the case.

The data literally says otherwise... Which even though the thread has mostly shut down these arguments on its own, is the whole "GP is bad for devs/publishers" and "GP kills game sales" and "GP isn't profitable" etc. etc. despite the data showing games on Game Pass still sell just fine on their own while increasing the sub counts for GP.  The data simply says, "money" which is the only thing these companies are after.

I literally never said anything about any of those things.

I said it's not turning the tide of the console war, which is true; PS5 is still easily outselling Xbox Series in spite of many claiming that Game Pass would be a killer app that would turn the sales war in Xbox's favour.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

The data literally says otherwise... Which even though the thread has mostly shut down these arguments on its own, is the whole "GP is bad for devs/publishers" and "GP kills game sales" and "GP isn't profitable" etc. etc. despite the data showing games on Game Pass still sell just fine on their own while increasing the sub counts for GP.  The data simply says, "money" which is the only thing these companies are after.

I literally never said anything about any of those things.

I said it's not turning the tide of the console war, which is true; PS5 is still easily outselling Xbox Series in spite of many claiming that Game Pass would be a killer app that would turn the sales war in Xbox's favour.

Whether you're slyly shifting the goal post or not: the large part of the console war IS all of those things I said that many fanboys argue against Game Pass.  Game Pass is part of the console war, and the data is shutting down the "against" arguments.  And with Xbox embracing "any device" (well, other than Nintendo/PlayStation lol), you're choosing a particular metric for the sake of argument while ignoring the bigger status of how "gamers" try to mystify and downplay Game Pass simply due to the lack of basic math



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curl-6 said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

The data literally says otherwise... Which even though the thread has mostly shut down these arguments on its own, is the whole "GP is bad for devs/publishers" and "GP kills game sales" and "GP isn't profitable" etc. etc. despite the data showing games on Game Pass still sell just fine on their own while increasing the sub counts for GP.  The data simply says, "money" which is the only thing these companies are after.

I literally never said anything about any of those things.

I said it's not turning the tide of the console war, which is true; PS5 is still easily outselling Xbox Series in spite of many claiming that Game Pass would be a killer app that would turn the sales war in Xbox's favour.

Many claim? Fanboy claims are not real. In the Series X|S expectation thread, the vast majority of the votes didn't predict Xbox reaching 90+ million, which I'm sure the Ps5 will hit 100+ easily. There really isn't anyone with realistic expectations that said Game Pass was going to boost Xbox sales above Ps5. There is an argument for it being a system seller because sales are higher overall and I'm sure some of it is attributed to Game Pass. The only thing that could cause a shift will depend on the output of Xbox Game Studios. 



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curl-6 said:

I don't hate Game Pass. It's just not for me; I prefer to own my games.

People also often act like its this megaton killer app that's going to turn the tides of the console war, when the data says that simply isn't the case.

GamePass IS a killer App, just not the Killer App you expect it to be. GP is NOT an Xbox exclusive so that throws your entire point out the window when it comes to this "Console War" mentality.

Also this "Console War" mentality only exists in your head. Its not real. Both Sony and MS work together alot of the time to maximise there sales, not to tarish and destroy eachother. MS or Sony dont care what the other system sells, they only care for what there system sells. GP is bigger than ever and the Series X is sold out and 1st Party games are doing amazing, all with a service that exists that would actually take away the point of owning a Xbox or to buy their games.

These companies only care about money and will use eachother to make even more money, that's why they congratulate eachother when they do well. Because they both help bring in the customers to the industry. 

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LudicrousSpeed said:
EricHiggin said:

Your weak understanding of it is getting worse as you try to sweep it under. Is an explanation to a misunderstanding now to be known as stretching it, and not further explanation in the form of a reply? So many reaching for the moon in that case.

Do fancy restaurants market themselves as the best deal in the industry? All you can eat for as cheap as possible? Do they only offer typical utensils for consuming that food and not the extra's that add to the experience? Do they change their menu (asap) in a response to compete with fast food directly?

Who offers the "Dollar Menu"?

Can a Michelin star restaurant offer me Halo Infinite MP to be played on the most powerful console ever? No? Analogy ruined. 

Also there was nothing “controversial” about your first post, it was just not well thought out and made zero sense. Because, as I pointed out, GamePass is had loads of highly rated bangers that never leave the service. You compared the offering to a fast food chain full of quick cheap stuff. That’s not controversial it’s just plain incorrect 😁

Well since we're trying to be as reasonably comparable as possible across the board, by palatable/fancy restaurant I was talking about something comparable to consoles. Something for the masses. The Michelin Star console experience doesn't exist. That would be like PC elitist level, and someone who only plays AAA blockbusters.

Most powerful restaurant chain ever? Ba da ba ba  baaa...

I've got friends who think the Big Mac or the Whopper (always becomes an argument) are the greatest things since sliced bread. Like they prefer that over a fancy steak dinner. So, are those fast food sandwiches bangers then? They sure think so.

You clearly took offense to the fast food comparison. I made it clear I didn't have a problem with either situation. I ate tons of fast food when I was younger, like when I was a bigger XB fan than PS fan, but I don't eat fast food much anymore due to the unhealthy nature, plus I'd rather sit and relax at a more palatable/fancy restaurant. I've never been to an establishment like a Michelin Star before, and not because I couldn't. It's just not something I'd be into, like how I used to be into high end PC's, but never went PC elitist because that's just not me. I've always had a console no matter what.

Ryuu96 said:

The issue is, as Ludicrous has pointed out, Game Pass has both high quality/low quality, high budget/low budget titles, I don't see this "quality ratio" trending towards (as you would call them) 'fast food' experiences. In fact there's more Game Pass titles which are in the Green than Yellow + Red, although this graphic is about 5 months old.

As for the price argument, as I've said, I don't think it's a good argument, Gaming in general can quickly become very cheap if you simply wait a few months for prices to drop, food on the other-hand rarely (if ever) drops in price, that Chinese/Pizza will cost me the same as it cost me 2 years ago, heck, sometimes food will increase in price, Lol. Meanwhile games often receive price cuts and not that long after launch, you don't have to buy games at launch, they will become dirt cheap eventually too, it isn't specific to Game Pass.

For those reasons I would say Gaming in general is closer to 'fast food' than 'luxury dining', how much for example would a Michelin Star restaurant cost per head? Likely significantly more than a singular game. Do you think general customers of these high end restaurants have much overlap with gamers? Hardly I would say, we are already the fast food consumers, when you say Game Pass is like fast food, I think those same arguments can be used to say that the whole of gaming is like fast food.

I don't think your post is that controversial, it is simply a poor comparison, you're comparing two vastly different markets to each other, the reason why it's often compared to Netflix is because the markets are 'similar' as they're both in the entertainment sector, they're both subscription services, both compete for peoples time, Netflix in the past was a lot cheaper than it is now, the reason Game Pass has these cheap deals is to lure people into the ecosystem, they won't exist forever (also it's not $1 per month, it's $1 for new customers).

However, I will say even comparing to Netflix isn't an exact comparison, Netflix and Game Pass will require different subscriber counts to achieve profitability, both will have different budgets in mind (in terms of how much it costs to make games versus tv shows) but it is a hugely better comparison than comparing it to the culinary industry, Lol.

As I pointed out, fast food chains also have higher quality, healthier meals as well. Though as I said, that's not the norm and not what most people come to order though.

As for the game scores, how many people think those scores are close to where they should be, or even matter whatsoever? There's been some huge controversy over some games and their far too high, or to low scores. Which scores are accurate enough, and what exactly are we comparing those scores to?

I've only been to a few palatable/fancy restaurants in my life that didn't have a special. If you want the special, it's cheaper, though not fast food cheap. Fast food tends to have an even cheaper menu like the "Dollar Menu". Just a dollar for what they're offering.

Didn't a console brand increase the price of it's games this gen? Did it do that because of the high quality AAA experiences they're known for? Can some of those games be AA, or A, experience? Do more palatable/fancy restaurants offer some lesser sized, lesser quality meals, though far pricier than a fast food meal?

You at least are onto the fact I'm not saying console gaming is like a Michelin Star. Console experiences are for the masses. Michelin Star is not. That's why I said more palatable/fancy. Not exquisite luxury dining.

Isn't entertainment consumed? Isn't food consumed? That argument can easily be made. Just like how Netflix is 'let us entertain you', while gaming is, 'let us help you entertain yourself'. Sony Interactive Entertainment vs Sony Pictures Entertainment. That's not just coincidence.

GP is also being marketed by MS as, "the full Xbox experience", where as their competitors require many different offerings for the full experience.

I have to agree here. Bringing food into the conversation, especially fast food, was unthinkably, foolish..



SvennoJ said:
zero129 said:

Wow you guys are cursed xD, honestly would it be one of them things where if you think its going to go wrong it will?. Like that book "The Secret" or whatever its called??, Anyways it says how what we think we make real, so if we see our self's always having bad luck and things going wrong they do?.

It has been my job to find everything that can go wrong, or rather that's part of programming good software. It's 'automatic', I can't help but be debugging FS2020 as much as I fly around lol.

Bad luck is one thing, whatever remote you're holding acting up (we have gone through dozens) is a pattern. It's a mystery. And the youngest seems to have inherited it since I have to reinstall the printer driver on his laptop all the time. He has the same laptop, same software as his brother. One works fine, the other acts up a lot. Mystery.

And I couldn't help myself but to access the windowsapps directory and take a peek. Wow, 39 thousand files for 3 games. And I thought the installation of FS2020 was messy. Dunno which one is FH5 (also have Halfo Infinite campaign and Snowrunner installed) Browsing through the list there are a lot of garments. For example:
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 397,419 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_F.zip
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 184,470 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_F_AI.zip
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 353,135 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_M.zip
2021-11-15 03:25 PM 161,979 GARMENT_Upper_Tshirt_02_Tuck_M_AI.zip
All have 2 or 4 versions, all zip files. No wonder it takes a long time to load from HDD.

Are you sure your not just a narcissist? xD. Seems like you just love hardship .



EricHiggin said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Can a Michelin star restaurant offer me Halo Infinite MP to be played on the most powerful console ever? No? Analogy ruined. 

Also there was nothing “controversial” about your first post, it was just not well thought out and made zero sense. Because, as I pointed out, GamePass is had loads of highly rated bangers that never leave the service. You compared the offering to a fast food chain full of quick cheap stuff. That’s not controversial it’s just plain incorrect ðŸ˜Â

Well since we're trying to be as reasonably comparable as possible across the board, by palatable/fancy restaurant I was talking about something comparable to consoles. Something for the masses. The Michelin Star console experience doesn't exist. That would be like PC elitist level, and someone who only plays AAA blockbusters.

Most powerful restaurant chain ever? Ba da ba ba  baaa...

I've got friends who think the Big Mac or the Whopper (always becomes an argument) are the greatest things since sliced bread. Like they prefer that over a fancy steak dinner. So, are those fast food sandwiches bangers then? They sure think so.

You clearly took offense to the fast food comparison. I made it clear I didn't have a problem with either situation. I ate tons of fast food when I was younger, like when I was a bigger XB fan than PS fan, but I don't eat fast food much anymore due to the unhealthy nature, plus I'd rather sit and relax at a more palatable/fancy restaurant. I've never been to an establishment like a Michelin Star before, and not because I couldn't. It's just not something I'd be into, like how I used to be into high end PC's, but never went PC elitist because that's just not me. I've always had a console no matter what.

Ryuu96 said:

The issue is, as Ludicrous has pointed out, Game Pass has both high quality/low quality, high budget/low budget titles, I don't see this "quality ratio" trending towards (as you would call them) 'fast food' experiences. In fact there's more Game Pass titles which are in the Green than Yellow + Red, although this graphic is about 5 months old.

As for the price argument, as I've said, I don't think it's a good argument, Gaming in general can quickly become very cheap if you simply wait a few months for prices to drop, food on the other-hand rarely (if ever) drops in price, that Chinese/Pizza will cost me the same as it cost me 2 years ago, heck, sometimes food will increase in price, Lol. Meanwhile games often receive price cuts and not that long after launch, you don't have to buy games at launch, they will become dirt cheap eventually too, it isn't specific to Game Pass.

For those reasons I would say Gaming in general is closer to 'fast food' than 'luxury dining', how much for example would a Michelin Star restaurant cost per head? Likely significantly more than a singular game. Do you think general customers of these high end restaurants have much overlap with gamers? Hardly I would say, we are already the fast food consumers, when you say Game Pass is like fast food, I think those same arguments can be used to say that the whole of gaming is like fast food.

I don't think your post is that controversial, it is simply a poor comparison, you're comparing two vastly different markets to each other, the reason why it's often compared to Netflix is because the markets are 'similar' as they're both in the entertainment sector, they're both subscription services, both compete for peoples time, Netflix in the past was a lot cheaper than it is now, the reason Game Pass has these cheap deals is to lure people into the ecosystem, they won't exist forever (also it's not $1 per month, it's $1 for new customers).

However, I will say even comparing to Netflix isn't an exact comparison, Netflix and Game Pass will require different subscriber counts to achieve profitability, both will have different budgets in mind (in terms of how much it costs to make games versus tv shows) but it is a hugely better comparison than comparing it to the culinary industry, Lol.

As I pointed out, fast food chains also have higher quality, healthier meals as well. Though as I said, that's not the norm and not what most people come to order though.

As for the game scores, how many people think those scores are close to where they should be, or even matter whatsoever? There's been some huge controversy over some games and their far too high, or to low scores. Which scores are accurate enough, and what exactly are we comparing those scores to?

I've only been to a few palatable/fancy restaurants in my life that didn't have a special. If you want the special, it's cheaper, though not fast food cheap. Fast food tends to have an even cheaper menu like the "Dollar Menu". Just a dollar for what they're offering.

Didn't a console brand increase the price of it's games this gen? Did it do that because of the high quality AAA experiences they're known for? Can some of those games be AA, or A, experience? Do more palatable/fancy restaurants offer some lesser sized, lesser quality meals, though far pricier than a fast food meal?

You at least are onto the fact I'm not saying console gaming is like a Michelin Star. Console experiences are for the masses. Michelin Star is not. That's why I said more palatable/fancy. Not exquisite luxury dining.

Isn't entertainment consumed? Isn't food consumed? That argument can easily be made. Just like how Netflix is 'let us entertain you', while gaming is, 'let us help you entertain yourself'. Sony Interactive Entertainment vs Sony Pictures Entertainment. That's not just coincidence.

GP is also being marketed by MS as, "the full Xbox experience", where as their competitors require many different offerings for the full experience.

I have to agree here. Bringing food into the conversation, especially fast food, was unthinkably, foolish..

You do know the more you post about fast food and trying to trow silly mame like images into it is just making you look more silly right?, or here

I guess like Ryuu said all gaming is fast food enjoy your meal.



zero129 said:
EricHiggin said:
Ryuu96 said:

The issue is, as Ludicrous has pointed out, Game Pass has both high quality/low quality, high budget/low budget titles, I don't see this "quality ratio" trending towards (as you would call them) 'fast food' experiences. In fact there's more Game Pass titles which are in the Green than Yellow + Red, although this graphic is about 5 months old.

As for the price argument, as I've said, I don't think it's a good argument, Gaming in general can quickly become very cheap if you simply wait a few months for prices to drop, food on the other-hand rarely (if ever) drops in price, that Chinese/Pizza will cost me the same as it cost me 2 years ago, heck, sometimes food will increase in price, Lol. Meanwhile games often receive price cuts and not that long after launch, you don't have to buy games at launch, they will become dirt cheap eventually too, it isn't specific to Game Pass.

For those reasons I would say Gaming in general is closer to 'fast food' than 'luxury dining', how much for example would a Michelin Star restaurant cost per head? Likely significantly more than a singular game. Do you think general customers of these high end restaurants have much overlap with gamers? Hardly I would say, we are already the fast food consumers, when you say Game Pass is like fast food, I think those same arguments can be used to say that the whole of gaming is like fast food.

I don't think your post is that controversial, it is simply a poor comparison, you're comparing two vastly different markets to each other, the reason why it's often compared to Netflix is because the markets are 'similar' as they're both in the entertainment sector, they're both subscription services, both compete for peoples time, Netflix in the past was a lot cheaper than it is now, the reason Game Pass has these cheap deals is to lure people into the ecosystem, they won't exist forever (also it's not $1 per month, it's $1 for new customers).

However, I will say even comparing to Netflix isn't an exact comparison, Netflix and Game Pass will require different subscriber counts to achieve profitability, both will have different budgets in mind (in terms of how much it costs to make games versus tv shows) but it is a hugely better comparison than comparing it to the culinary industry, Lol.

As I pointed out, fast food chains also have higher quality, healthier meals as well. Though as I said, that's not the norm and not what most people come to order though.

As for the game scores, how many people think those scores are close to where they should be, or even matter whatsoever? There's been some huge controversy over some games and their far too high, or to low scores. Which scores are accurate enough, and what exactly are we comparing those scores to?

I've only been to a few palatable/fancy restaurants in my life that didn't have a special. If you want the special, it's cheaper, though not fast food cheap. Fast food tends to have an even cheaper menu like the "Dollar Menu". Just a dollar for what they're offering.

Didn't a console brand increase the price of it's games this gen? Did it do that because of the high quality AAA experiences they're known for? Can some of those games be AA, or A, experience? Do more palatable/fancy restaurants offer some lesser sized, lesser quality meals, though far pricier than a fast food meal?

You at least are onto the fact I'm not saying console gaming is like a Michelin Star. Console experiences are for the masses. Michelin Star is not. That's why I said more palatable/fancy. Not exquisite luxury dining.

Isn't entertainment consumed? Isn't food consumed? That argument can easily be made. Just like how Netflix is 'let us entertain you', while gaming is, 'let us help you entertain yourself'. Sony Interactive Entertainment vs Sony Pictures Entertainment. That's not just coincidence.

GP is also being marketed by MS as, "the full Xbox experience", where as their competitors require many different offerings for the full experience.

I have to agree here. Bringing food into the conversation, especially fast food, was unthinkably, foolish..

You do know the more you post about fast food and trying to trow silly mame like images into it is just making you look more silly right?, or here

I guess like Ryuu said all gaming is fast food enjoy your meal.

All gaming is online subscription services? Enjoy your poor connection and eventual server shut down's?

Na, you see, immediate direct accuracy is necessary apparently. You left out the fridge comparison. Therefore instantly nullified argument.

Them's the rules, I guess.