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src on 20 October 2021

Would have addressed the questionable replies but I'm guessing the mod post means no more resetera talk? Someone can start a thread if they wish to continue?

RolStoppable said:

The OP got banned due to responding to a well-known troll. Well, well-known to those who were active in the MC threads which evidently didn't include anyone on the mod team. One consequence that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the troll in question received an immediate permaban once the mods had finally realized the plain obvious.

None of it had anything to do with Tales of Arise because the game performed according to the consensus in the MC threads.

That you bring up MHW is a sign of the victim complex that is carried around by a good chunk of the PS userbase. For every example where the Nintendo userbase sold a PS product short, you can find at least two examples of a Nintendo product being sold short by the PS userbase. ResetEra is the place where a ton of people were seriously convinced that Final Fantasy VII Remake would sell more than Animal Crossing: New Horizons globally. Another obvious example is the Switch console as a whole, so don't bother pretending that the PS userbase has it hard. The PS userbase is constantly trying to put others down which is exactly why the MC threads on Era were bugging them so much, because they showed a very different reality from what they would like to believe in; Sony isn't an unquestioned market leader in the console business. Far from it, as the fiscal year ending 2022 marks the fifth year in a row with Nintendo selling the most consoles.

Lastly, even if it were true that 99% of the MC threads were useless discussions, now there are certainly even less useful posts in the threads, so you can't claim a win here either.

PS4 is the one console that has done 5 years (2014,2015,2016,2017,2018)

SW has (2019,2020,2021). 2022 is iffy, PS5 is estimated to sell 23M. Def not going to reach PS4 5 years for sure.

Also, basic industry analysis, revenue is what measures marketshare.

Playstation has been number 1 since 2013, maybe even before, and the others aren't even close.

At one point it made more money than Xbox and Nintendo combined. 2018, PSN made more money than the entirety of Nintendo.

Probably will happen sometime in this cycle again. PS estimates $30B revenue coming soon.



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Kakadu18 on 20 October 2021
src said:

Would have addressed the questionable replies but I'm guessing the mod post means no more resetera talk? Someone can start a thread if they wish to continue?

RolStoppable said:

The OP got banned due to responding to a well-known troll. Well, well-known to those who were active in the MC threads which evidently didn't include anyone on the mod team. One consequence that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the troll in question received an immediate permaban once the mods had finally realized the plain obvious.

None of it had anything to do with Tales of Arise because the game performed according to the consensus in the MC threads.

That you bring up MHW is a sign of the victim complex that is carried around by a good chunk of the PS userbase. For every example where the Nintendo userbase sold a PS product short, you can find at least two examples of a Nintendo product being sold short by the PS userbase. ResetEra is the place where a ton of people were seriously convinced that Final Fantasy VII Remake would sell more than Animal Crossing: New Horizons globally. Another obvious example is the Switch console as a whole, so don't bother pretending that the PS userbase has it hard. The PS userbase is constantly trying to put others down which is exactly why the MC threads on Era were bugging them so much, because they showed a very different reality from what they would like to believe in; Sony isn't an unquestioned market leader in the console business. Far from it, as the fiscal year ending 2022 marks the fifth year in a row with Nintendo selling the most consoles.

Lastly, even if it were true that 99% of the MC threads were useless discussions, now there are certainly even less useful posts in the threads, so you can't claim a win here either.

PS4 is the one console that has done 5 years (2014,2015,2016,2017,2018)

SW has (2019,2020,2021). 2022 is iffy, PS5 is estimated to sell 23M. Def not going to reach PS4 5 years for sure.

Also, basic industry analysis, revenue is what measures marketshare.

Playstation has been number 1 since 2013, maybe even before, and the others aren't even close.

At one point it made more money than Xbox and Nintendo combined. 2018, PSN made more money than the entirety of Nintendo.

Probably will happen sometime in this cycle again. PS estimates $30B revenue coming soon.

Just so you know, profit is all that counts.

You can make more revenue than the entire planet but make less profit than the pizza place on the corner.



Bofferbrauer2 on 20 October 2021
src said:

Would have addressed the questionable replies but I'm guessing the mod post means no more resetera talk? Someone can start a thread if they wish to continue?

RolStoppable said:

The OP got banned due to responding to a well-known troll. Well, well-known to those who were active in the MC threads which evidently didn't include anyone on the mod team. One consequence that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the troll in question received an immediate permaban once the mods had finally realized the plain obvious.

None of it had anything to do with Tales of Arise because the game performed according to the consensus in the MC threads.

That you bring up MHW is a sign of the victim complex that is carried around by a good chunk of the PS userbase. For every example where the Nintendo userbase sold a PS product short, you can find at least two examples of a Nintendo product being sold short by the PS userbase. ResetEra is the place where a ton of people were seriously convinced that Final Fantasy VII Remake would sell more than Animal Crossing: New Horizons globally. Another obvious example is the Switch console as a whole, so don't bother pretending that the PS userbase has it hard. The PS userbase is constantly trying to put others down which is exactly why the MC threads on Era were bugging them so much, because they showed a very different reality from what they would like to believe in; Sony isn't an unquestioned market leader in the console business. Far from it, as the fiscal year ending 2022 marks the fifth year in a row with Nintendo selling the most consoles.

Lastly, even if it were true that 99% of the MC threads were useless discussions, now there are certainly even less useful posts in the threads, so you can't claim a win here either.

PS4 is the one console that has done 5 years (2014,2015,2016,2017,2018)

SW has (2019,2020,2021). 2022 is iffy, PS5 is estimated to sell 23M. Def not going to reach PS4 5 years for sure.

Also, basic industry analysis, revenue is what measures marketshare.

Playstation has been number 1 since 2013, maybe even before, and the others aren't even close.

At one point it made more money than Xbox and Nintendo combined. 2018, PSN made more money than the entirety of Nintendo.

Probably will happen sometime in this cycle again. PS estimates $30B revenue coming soon.

Most of those 5 years (2014-2017) the PS4 had next to no competition. It's easy to be the best-selling console if the competition fizzles out. Also, that's worldwide, while this thread is all about Japan. Here, the PS4 lead for 4 years if you generously count out the 3DS, while the Switch is in it's 5th year of total dominance there, and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

@bolded: Revenue? What good is high revenue when you still make losses (hello PS3!)? Profit is all that counts in that regard.

Also, leading since 2013? You really sure Playstation lead last year when sales of the PS4 were hemorrhaging quickly and the PS5 only started at the very end of it while the Switch got almost 30M sales, not even counting their other hardware revenues like the 3DS?



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Megiddo on 20 October 2021
Kakadu18 said:

FF7R isn't going to outsell AC even with four games even when the sequel's sales don't drop from part 1 at all. That would be 5-7mil each with another 10mil on top. That would be enough to outsell where AC is now, but not where it'll end up at. Namely beyond 40mil, maybe over 45mil.

Are you making the assumption that the FF7 Remake games will sell zero copies on any other platform? Probably not the best given how recent JRPGs have performed on PC, for instance.



src on 20 October 2021
Kakadu18 said:

Just so you know, profit is all that counts.

You can make more revenue than the entire planet but make less profit than the pizza place on the corner.

Not at all. Marketshare is defined by revenue. Profit is simply the margin of your business. It matters for a different aspect: viability of a business model in the long term and shareholder cash flow.

If you want to know how much of a market a company is taking, you look at revenue.

Playstation doesn't have to worry about either, their margins are fine and so profit will continue to grow as their revenue eclipses all other gaming companies. Only Tencent can match or beat Playstation at this point but they're in an a different segment and getting regulated by China.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Most of those 5 years (2014-2017) the PS4 had next to no competition. It's easy to be the best-selling console if the competition fizzles out. Also, that's worldwide, while this thread is all about Japan. Here, the PS4 lead for 4 years if you generously count out the 3DS, while the Switch is in it's 5th year of total dominance there, and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

@bolded: Revenue? What good is high revenue when you still make losses (hello PS3!)? Profit is all that counts in that regard.

Also, leading since 2013? You really sure Playstation lead last year when sales of the PS4 were hemorrhaging quickly and the PS5 only started at the very end of it while the Switch got almost 30M sales, not even counting their other hardware revenues like the 3DS?

More like PS4 dominated the competition. The competition had their shot, it just couldn't compare to the PS4 in many ways.

Revenue is marketshare. Plenty of companies, backed by billions from investors, lose money for years, due to their growing revenue and dominance in their industry. I'm sure you have heard of Amazon, Netflix, Spotify, Tesla, Airbnb, Uber etc

These are called growth stocks.

PS 2020  : $25.04B

Nin 2020  : $16.1B

Nintendo's revenue is heavily tied to their hardware sales, hence as SW hardware declines, their revenue declines. They're expecting a 9% decrease last I heard. Unlike Playstation who's main driver is software sales and PSN monetization, which has led to higher revenues every year despite PS4's decline.

PS 2021 FY est from SNY : $27.1B

Nin 2021 FY est from NIN : $14.6B



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kirby007 on 20 October 2021

this is the most cooked shit i have ever heard, stakeholders only care about profit, because thats what drives their EPS
UTTERLY COOKED



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curl-6 on 20 October 2021

This is a Japanese sales thread, and PS4 absolutely did not dominate in Japan; its sales there have been mediocre, won't match even the PS3, and are lightyears behind the contemporaneous 3DS and Switch.



src on 20 October 2021

Oh no, all those early Amazon and Netflix who looked at revenue growth must really be crying to themselves. Kirby007 definitely knows what he is talking about.

/s



Megiddo on 20 October 2021

Even considering revenue, PlayStation is way, way, way behind Nintendo in Japan (and has been since the PSP died)



kirby007 on 20 October 2021

You are so cooked
You didnt even look what the profit from those 2 are did you? Lmao

Edit : lets keep focus on gaming here look at 2019 for example Sony gaming rev was at 18 vs nintendo at 10 both had profit at 2.3 ( tweet for context )

Last edited by kirby007 - on 20 October 2021

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