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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS5 Nearly Outsells Switch - Global Hardware Sep 26 to Oct 2

curl-6 said:
Norion said:

If that ratio stays the same and number of consoles between the two is similar to previous gens we would see about a 70m/100m split. The former is a big if though.

I'd be shocked if PS5 sells as low as 100m. Even with supply constraints it's outpacing the PS4, I see no reason at this point why it would sell less lifetime. I expect the PS + Xbox base will grow this gen to accommodate two systems both hotter than their predecessors.

The reason would be Xbox taking back some market share. It's only outpacing the PS4 a bit so far so it doing 10-20 million less lifetime is possible with a stronger competitor this time though I do think around 100m is the low end of what the PS5 could sell. It's also possible it still does a similar amount or even a tad better despite that but I do think the latter would require the console base to grow and with how stable it's been I don't think it would grow by that much if it did. I could see something like 60m/130m happening as well but I'd be surprised if the total reached 200m.

Last edited by Norion - on 13 October 2021

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Pionner said:

People are always doubting PlayStation sales potential. It happened last generation and PS4 kept breaking sales records. Every financial report shocked people and even upset some. The same thing is already happening with PS5 financial report's. It's pretty funny to watch.

There's really no reason why PS5 won't sell as much, if not more, than PS4. It's already selling more sales aligned.

You can't say it's because of supply problems increasing demand. The demand was already bigger than PS4's before it launched. Definitely not the scalpers excuses, software sales prove that. I see the other excuse was brought up too;PS4 had the generation easy. I don't think you realize how ridiculous that sounds. Sony's worse generation, the PS3, still saw that console selling 90M. The PlayStation brand huge. Now Bigger than it's ever been. An average generation for Sony is 90-100M. It's not logical to expect the PS5 to only sell 100M. Historical data tells us this is unlikely to happen.

Lastly, i see people mentioning Switch still outselling PS5 in it's lowest sales week. Funny how the supply contrained excuse is used for PS5 artificial high demand but it isn't used for the reason why Switch is currently selling more than PS5. I would think the console that's not readily available would naturally not outsell the other platform that is.

You should be wondering what PS5 sales are going to look like once stock is normal if sales are still this high with limited stock almost a year after launch.

If you're indirectly replying to my post here I didn't say I expect the PS5 to only sell that much, I literally said the ratio staying the same was a big if. I think around 100m is the low end for what the PS5 can sell so I do agree it's unlikely.



Jumpin said:
curl-6 said:

I'd be shocked if PS5 sells as low as 100m. Even with supply constraints it's outpacing the PS4, I see no reason at this point why it would sell less lifetime. I expect the PS + Xbox base will grow this gen to accommodate two systems both hotter than their predecessors.

At this point, I'd agree with you, but market changes can really impact sales. The N64 sold around 15.2 million units by March 1998, which was the first year to year and a half on the market (due to a skewed launch) making it Nintendo's most successful launch to that date, yet falling into a distant last place by the end of its generation. I wouldn't expect PS5 momentum to collapse in the way the N64 did, but I also wouldn't expect sales to be proportional to the PS4. Scarcity can also drive people to purchase a product earlier than they normally would - Nintendo's often accused of manufacturing scarcity to improve demand.

I do expect PS5 momentum to collapse very similarly to the way the N64 did, especially outside of Europe.  In Europe, of course, the PS5 will continue to do fine for years.  However in the US it will probably peak next year.  Once Americans see that Microsoft is really trying again, and Gamepass is a pretty good deal if you like those kinds of games, then Americans will head for Gamepass/XBox.  In Japan and RoW, I expect PS5 to peak this year.  It won't be such a desirable item to scalp next year out of Japan, since scalpers will have the Switch OLED model instead.  



So much doom and gloom for the fastest-ever selling ever Playstation.



Someone insert the *Dude, I almost had you* meme from fast & furious.



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Maynard_Tool said:

Someone insert the *Dude, I almost had you* meme from fast & furious.



...to avoid getting banned for inactivity, I may have to resort to comments that are of a lower overall quality and or beneath my moral standards.

Ps5 will be a massive success. Switch has already surpassed expectations by a whole bunch.

Both parties should be happy.



Kyuu said:
trenchparticipant said:

Some people still can't come to terms with the fact that Playstation's popularity doesn't stem from being a DVD player

It is only selling because it is a 4k player.  



trunkswd said:
kenjab said:

UK sales update for next week:

Nintendo Switch OLED UK launch significantly bigger than Switch Lite | GamesIndustry.biz

Doing some quick math we are looking at Switch sales of over 50,000 for last week. 

Depends, if it beat BF 2017, yes. If not, below 49k.

either way, it seems that Switch will do about 150-175k in Europe for OLED launch. 



The PS5 can easily outsell the PS4 if Sony isn't complacent. Finding a PS5 in stock right now is much harder than buying a PS4 was launch aligned. I bought a PS4 from Amazon with relative ease 10+ months or so in the last generation. If I wanted to buy a PS5 right now I'd have to follow social media accounts to find out about potential drops from different retailers. This is with a higher price point, $70 games, the Bethesda acquisition, a cheaper Series S model, GamePass & overall stronger competition that so many cited pre launch as obstacles for the PS5 to be as dominant as the PS4. Just look at how many expected the Series S to dominate out the gate compared to its current stock situation.

People underestimate Playstation's brand strength in ROTW territories, which according to VGChartz, Sony is the only platform holder to have multiple consoles (PS2 & PS4) sell more than 20+ Million in ROTW, as well as the only platform holder to sell more than 15+ Million (PSP) although the Switch could achieve this in a few years. Even a small anecdote like more females getting in the Playstation ecosystem, presenting another growth vector, potentially showing how female protagonists like Aloy/Ellie can attract and create mindshare towards the female demographic. China is also another major focus, where Sony projects the PS5 doubling the PS4's LTD sales, and its a region where Sony is looking to invest/strengthen ties as we see with China Hero Project or Genshin Impact (one of the most popular F2P/mobile games in China). Add in a slightly longer generation with price cuts and the PS5 could easily break through 130+ Million LTD.

I think the global pandemic last year renewed a lot of interest in people who used to game but fell out of the hobby. This will, IMO, increase the general ceiling of the console market & will benefit each platform holder.

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 13 October 2021