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Nothing will change. They are only banning sexually explicit material that includes intercourse and penetration,etc. All the softcore nudity will still be allowed.



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OnlyFans Drops Planned Porn Ban, Will Continue to Allow Sexually Explicit Content

https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/onlyfans-drops-porn-ban-sexually-explicit-policy-1235048705/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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Captain_Yuri said:

OnlyFans Drops Planned Porn Ban, Will Continue to Allow Sexually Explicit Content

https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/onlyfans-drops-porn-ban-sexually-explicit-policy-1235048705/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Whale Simps rejoice!

Guess they realize that investors also not going to invest in a platform that have no users......



vivster said:

You cannot normalize something that is already normal and porn is inherent to the human experience. As inherent as eating and breathing and playing.

It's not normal at all. You make it sound as though everyone consumes pornographic media all the time. In reality, even today only a small majority of American men (53%) and but a tiny minority of American women (just 25%) consumes pornographic media even once a year. In fact, just 40% of Americans regard pornography as morally acceptable. I'm pretty sure a much larger share of the population eats and breathes than that.



Common sense prevails.

Even leaving aside the issue of people's livelihoods, this move was about as smart as KFC discontinuing chicken.



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Its hard to justify destroying your whole business model...



I'm glad they were able to work out a way to keep sex workers on the platform. It's as legitimate as any other entertainment gig, and safe platforms like only fans are important to moving the industry forward.



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
LurkerJ said:

Well…. you also use the science card. And I bet your demographic has a religious background, which we know very well. It is nice being a high horse isn’t it. 

Why do many here sound like entitled children who want to live in a temptation-free bubble? Do they think they’ll have more time to do other things in their life? I bet not, there is always someone or something to blame.

I'm religious yes... and what's your point? what's the problem in that, isn't that a taboo in the first place? I have lived and witnessed both worlds and I chose the path where I feel genuine love and purpose lies, I didn't find any of that in any science book or any atheist view, or in animalish pornomaniac views

temptation-free is of course unrealistic, the problem is that it has all become about temptation, cold and robotic

focus too much on the branches and you lose the stem

Nah. The world is a more loving place that it’s ever been in some parts of the world and that’s only because religion has been pushed aside. I bet your religion wouldn’t allow two consenting adults to love each other without a list of conditions, rewards and punishments, but hey, it’s all “spiritual” so it’s fine. 

I love how you point to porn as animalish because you feel guilty watching it. Don’t drag us into your self-loathing practices please.

Genuine question. What’s more animalish? Watching porn or having 11 wives on top of many female slaves? Not that I am against polyamory, just curious how getting access to sexual satisfaction through porn is more animalish than marrying many women (and not allowing those women to marry many men). 



Torillian said:
Jaicee said:

When I was a kid, the most controversial feminist in America was a woman named Andrea Dworkin. She passed away in 2005. In the riot grrl scene I was part of, we were divided over her work. What made her so controversial was her anti-pornogrpahy activism. Namely, she advocated for the enactment of a civil ordinance that would allow women who claimed damages from pornography to sue the producers and distributors thereof in court for compensation. (Talk about puritanical tyranny!) I was recently watching a (supportive) film about her activism that was originally released in 1991 for the occasion of its 30th anniversary anew. (Yeah, I do stuff like that.) What struck me the most about it on my new viewing was that it has scarcely aged a day. Some semantics have changed in the interim, but the core arguments you'll hear about porn not only stand the test of time, but are actually more pertinent today, if anything. The crux of her argument wasn't simply that porn causes rape, but that rape and battery are leading causes of pornography; that the sex industry could hardly exist in a world without relatively female-specific PTSD. And you hear from survivors at length. The vast majority of women in pornography were sexually abused and/or battered as children. Thus when we normalize porn, what are we really normalizing? That is the most important issue here as far as I'm concerned and the main, underlying reason why I've got nothing good to say about this business.

I would be interested in seeing your evidence for the bolded. From my quick google the only thing I could find on the stats of child abuse for porn actresses was that they were no more likely to have been abused as a child than the non-porn actress public. We can argue about the legitimacy of a survey study done on 177 porn actresses (a pretty reasonable number for something like this to my understanding) but then I would want to know what study you are using to come to your conclusions. 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2012.719168

I sourced all my claims, but to speak to the general body of evidence concerning rates of childhood abuse among women in the sex industry, most of that data comes from background investigations of women involved in or arrested for prostitution, which really is fine because there's a ton of overlap between all sectors of the sex trade and because prostitution is the eventual destination of a large percentage of women in pornography once their brief careers of a few months or so come to an end. There are a ton of those and they establish a clear link between childhood abuse (especially, but not exclusively, sexual abuse) and greater tendency to view sex as a commodity and to wind up in prostitution as a result and aren't confined to the United States either. Examples spanning the years can be found here, here, here, here, here, and lots of other places. They all find that significantly more than half of prostituted women suffered sexual abuse and/or battery as children, and also that women in prostitution are significantly more likely to be impoverished and drug addicts.

No analogous studies have been conducted of women in pornography specifically to my knowledge and the one you link to here is, as you can see here, broadly considered incredulous among experts because its just a survey and not an actual background investigation, because samples of convenience are used, and because one of the co-authors of the study, Sharon Mitchell, as one commenter succinctly puts it, "is a de facto lobbyist for the adult entertainment industry. She used to run AIM, the industry-funded mandatory STD testing service. She has a very personal stake in making the industry look good." The difference becomes clear when you consider that studies of prostituted women can be falsified in the same way if you just rely on surveying a control group. For example, the 2009 study of prostitutes out of Calgary, Alberta linked above finds that "the present study indicates 73% of prostitutes were sexually abused in childhood, compared to 29% of a control group obtained in a random population survey." It's not that these women are even lying necessarily, it's that sexual abuse survivors often don't fully understand what rape and sexual assault even are, as differentiated from consensual sex. I can relate to that personally, as someone who was myself raped as a kid. You'll often respond intellectually by rationalizing it to yourself so that it doesn't seem so bad and resultantly may develop a warped concept of what how sex is supposed to work.

But even if the 2012 survey you link to is fully accurate, it still in reality implies a strong connection between sexual abuse in childhood and increased likelihood of winding up in pornography, as the 36% rate of molestation indicated therein is still double the rate likewise voluntarily reported by American women in general contemporaneously. The only question here is whether it's "only" double. Only. And rape is widely understood as the most under-reported crime there is.

Actual experts widely regard sex commodification and sexual abuse in childhood to be closely linked is my point.

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LurkerJ said:

I mean… just bringing problems and linking to easily accessible porn is kind of a weird way to approach the issue at hand. Erectile dysfunction? Maybe because America is fat? The quality of food has deteriorated? More estrogen and estrogen-like materials in food and food containers? Maybe the younger generation has no hope of owning a home and starting a life without having to work in competitive field make them stressed all the time?

The reality is that unless you’re a super working hard individual who goes to medical school, engineering school or chooses a very relevant speciality, you’ll end up struggling saving up. Even if you end up with a relevant degree, you’ll still need to compete with locals and foreigners giving how open the market is right now. Long gone the days in which working as a seller in a shop 5 days a week, 12 hours a day, was enough to live a life with dignity (owning a house). I’d say all of this has a much bigger impact on someone’s well-being and ability to perform than watching porn. Even if porn is responsible for making sex less appealing, is that a really problem? It’s not like you’re not getting any joy out of porn or masturbating? If you prefer to have a fuller sex experience and you’re convinced porn is the reason, stop watching porn and see how that affects your sexual life overall? Also, I imagine in a porn-less society, one would still close their eyes and masturbate anyway….  

As for porn portrayal of women and lesbians, that is a problem with the entertainment media as a whole. Women and minorities only recently started to get a proper presentation in movies, TV, etc. So recent that Harvery’s abuse was public knowledge, a subject of comedy for many sitcoms (BoJack and 30 rock), until someone decided to “hmm…. This isn’t good”. The answer to these problems is to correct them, protect women and minorities, and provide them with the ability to perform without having to be victims. But again, most here are pointing fingers without providing solutions, me including  

I don’t know about rape and pornography, but it would be interesting to look at the numbers you brought up and dissect them. Maybe rape has gone up because population has increased magnificently? Genuinely curious. Also the definition of what is considered rape has changed, hasn’t it? It wouldn’t surprise me if rape in the past was a much bigger issue. Again, talking out of my ass here, but I am on a hurry and a in-depth look at the numbers would help. 

I honestly don’t know about rape statistics, but the general theme in this thread has been “porn consumption has increase, so mental health issues and rape. A connection must be there!”…. No? 

*shrugs*

I'd respond further but you've just said an awful lot of nothing. It seems to me that you're basically just reaching for explanations for each development I pointed to that are not linked to pornography. I sourced my claims.

As to the topic of rape specifically, the 2013 changes in the legal definition of rape can only potentially explain an sudden statistical increase for that specific year. It doesn't explain similar upticks for all the other years in question, does it?

The question of what precisely has caused this recent uptick in the reporting of rapes is assuredly multifaceted, involving factors as superficial as the six-month impact of the Me Too movement in late 2017 and early 2018 resulting in more people feeling emboldened to come forward with their stories and to report surviving sexual abuse and mistreatment in general... stuff ranging from as superficial as that to surges in criminal activity in general in specific years, like in 2015-16, corresponding to waves of Black Lives Matter protests and riots over police killings of unarmed black men and the consequential temporary pullbacks in policing in general. There are still periods unaccounted for by any of this though; periods wherein crime rates overall were falling, but rapes were increasing anyway, for example. At that point realistic explanations have to include cultural factors, like an increase prevalence of porn use. In fact, I'd go as far as to suggest that the "Trump effect" was likely also a factor; that his election shortly after the infamous Access Hollywood tape came out likely signaled to some people that sexual assault is now okay the same way that his election resulted in a substantial increase in hate crimes.

My point though is that the argument that pornography reduces rape the same way it reduces sex overall in society doesn't exactly hold up to the evidence. What we have today, as compared with a decade ago, is less sex overall, but more rape specifically. That is the picture. And it's not an improvement.