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dark_gh0st_b0y said:

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the newly pornified world wants to convince us that sex is of utter importance, WHY!?

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Pompeii, some naughty Roman 2000 years ago had this painting on the wall of their living room.

Right? Like, we were super sexed up for a few millennia, it wasn't until the puritans and christianity took over that sex was seen as taboo for a few hundred years. This is not new and it's not special, this sort of holier than thou attitude is literally oppression. 



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seeing as this discussion is based on all sex=porn you can better call it quits because this so far out of context it aint even funny making an assjoke out of it

or a your moms basement in case of sega



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As somebody who has enjoyed both pornography and casual sex, neither led to depression or any negative effects for me whatsoever.

The way I see it, sex doesn't need to be about true love or procreation; pleasure for pleasure's sake is completely okay. It's not really that different to how we play video games to have fun and get that dopamine release.

As far as sex workers on Only Fans go, the site was big step forward in putting more power, freedom, and autonomy in the hands of the workers themselves as opposed to a pimp or producer. It provided a better work environment and business model compared to most of the industry, and while it's sad to see that go, hopefully whatever fills the void will continue to improve sex worker's lives and livelihoods.



This thread is making me shaking my head with the opinion of some about sex

I'm sad for the creators, Only Fans was a very good step to destroy pornography industry, yes the industry, not the porn itself nor the porn actors and actress, because porn itself isn't a problem, exploration is the problem. With Only Fans creators are a self-employed person, they can decide when they will post something and have the power to choose who will be their partners and sexmates (if they choose to have one, because not even nudes are mandatory on OF)

Hope they will find another platform to keep their work, they are much better paid creating content by themselves than resorting in some cheap studios that will take most of the money and pay very little to make a living when actors need to submit themselves to medication and stressful situations to be able to film



shikamaru317 said:

So, I've been debating about rather or not I should tell about my personal experience with porn since yesterday. Finally decided that I will. I've never really opened up about this to anyone, this is a first for me:

Literally the biggest regret of my entire life is ever having looked at porn, and I'm a man who has many regrets. When I was in 6th grade I had a friend who told me that you could find pictures of naked girls online, which was news to me, believe it or not. I immediately went home and looked, being curious about the female body as many boys of that age are. Little did I know at the time that had started down a path of addiction. My parents were computer illiterate boomers who knew nothing about internet safety; putting up firewalls that block porn sites or even how to check web browser history, and I had a locking door to my room, so I had pretty much free reign to search for whatever I wanted online. I found myself looking at porn more and more from then on, until I reached a point where I was sometimes masturbating 3 or 4 times a day.

I was addicted, there is no other word for it. Someone said earlier in this thread that you can't become addicted to porn, that is just straight up false, my testimony is proof of it's addictive properties. I found myself trying to quit time and time again over the years, but just like someone who is addicted to any other vice, be it alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, etc., the call of pornography just kept pulling me back. I would quit for awhile, but the pull was always there calling to me from the back of my brain, and I would have one bad day where I just needed my fix, the sweet release of an orgasm to cope with stress, and next thing you know I would be back to looking at it daily again.

And like anything that you get too much of, the amount of pornography I consumed caused me to get bored with what I saw far too often. That in turned caused me to seek out kinkier and kinkier material just to stave off that boredom.

I am currently "clean", but that addiction is always there in the back of my mind, urging me to look at some porn, especially when I'm under stress.

And it's not just the addiction that is bad about pornography. Pornography changed the ways I viewed women. It caused me to develop very specific and strong preferences for nude attractiveness that will make it very difficult to ever find a wife who meets those standards. It caused me to develop kinks that I rather wish I didn't have. Pornography has caused me more pain than just about anything else in my life, to be quite frank, and I have many forms of chronic physical pain.

Lets get down to the nitty gritty, some of the other negatives of pornography:

-It causes people who view porn to have unrealistic expectations about penis size. Let's face it, the average man is not packing 8+ inches of thick meat in his pants, in fact the largest penis size study ever done found the average erect male penis to be just 5.17 inches long (bone pressed) and 4.59 inches in circumference, both substantially smaller figures than the average porn penis, even the average in homemade porn videos. Average and smaller guys are often too embarrassed to appear in homemade porn, leading to pornography skewing beliefs about what is average for a male penis. And professionally made porn with average or smaller than average guys only exists in the form of videos designed to cater to men who have a fetish about being humiliated for their small size. Porn footage of women being satisfied by average or smaller guys is nearly non-existent, which helps feed into average and smaller men feeling unwanted shame for their size. Women who view porn are more likely to expect more than they're going to get from the average guy in bed, both in terms of size and staying power in most cases.

-It causes some men to begin to view women as sexual objects whose only function is to sexually gratify men. The prevalence of readily assessable simulated non-consensual porn and psudo non-consensual porn has most assuredly lead to the increase in rape culture over the years.

-It also causes men to develop often unrealistic expectations for the nude female body, which in turn leads to more and more women getting cosmetic surgery done in an attempt to look like porn stars. Because the so called "innie" vulva is so much more common in porn than the so called "outie" vulva, many women with "outies" feel shame and have labiaplasty done to modify the appearance of their vulva. The same shame is often felt by women who have large areolas, due to to rarity of large areolas in pornography. Then there is of course pornography leading to more and more men preferring large breasts, which has caused many women to feel like they need to get implants when they don't need them.

-A substantial number of porn stars, both professional and amateur, feel regret for appearing in porn later in life. You need only search and you can find the testimonies of many of these women, many of which are pretty damning, especially in regards to the professional porn industry. 

-The professional porn industry in particular is well known for being unscrupulous. There have been well documented cases of professional porn companies exploiting women, casting underage girls, even sex trafficking them. One of the most famous cases was the site "GirlsDoPorn", who fraudulently coerced young women to appear in porn videos. The site was closed in 2019 after several of the women sued them, and the women subsequently sued Pornhub, alleging that Pornhub's parent company knew that the girls were coerced and hosted the videos on their sites anyway, which is one of the things that lead to Pornhub removing millions of videos last year.

-The amateur porn industry, including OnlyFans, is less controversial that the professional porn industry, though there have been multiple arrested individuals who have admitted to using sites like OnlyFans to host child porn and even sell sex slaves. A bipartisan coalition in the US House of Representatives earlier this month called on the Department of Justice to investigate sites like OnlyFans over their lack of safeguards, which is likely one of the reasons why the payment processors gave OnlyFans the ultimatum that caused them to ban pornography. 

Few things: 

  • Masturbating 3 to 4 times a day at a young age is fine, it means your hormones are working the way they should. 
  • You can be addicted to anything, but one of the few things that we shouldn’t punish ourself for, is looking at porn and seeking sex, it’s literally one of the most survival instincts that keep humanity afloat. Pornography and sex are always at the back of your mind because…. You’re human. Some people eat to relieve their stress, some people smoke, some people exercise, some people do drugs. If anything, masturbating is healthier than eating, smoking, doing drugs and many other things people do to relieve their stress. Not as good as exercises, but not nearly as harmful as you think it is. 
  • Part of growing up is knowing that meeting someone that meet all your standards will never happen, and if it does, that person will change in a blink of an eye and they’ll meet your standards no more. Don’t blame your inability to accept this fact of life (yet) on porn. I don’t judge those who don’t accept and keep looking for perfection either, you don’t have to grow old in the context of a relationship after all. 
  • If someone you’re dating passes on you for having unrealistic expectations, they’re actually saving you some time, I don’t fault anyone for having a preference, but maybe, you don’t want to keep dating a person that is too fixated on your size to begin with. Hurray for time savers. 
  • Objectifying the other sex will always be part of what we do, whether we like to admit it or not. I, shamelessly, admit that what almost always piques my interest first is how someone looks, that in itself, is objectifying behaviour as it means I am less likely to give someone who doesn’t look a certain way the same chance . I think porn is the perfect place to let objectification run loose, you go into porn with a certain desire/goal that involves looking at bodies with no personalities. Unlike video games and movies, where selective objectification of one sex (and rarely the other) can be understandably objectionable. 
  • Most people feel regrets later in lives over their choices. It’s not something exclusive to the porn industry, obviously, having a society that looks at sex the way many here do, don’t go a long in helping these actors feel better about what they did for a living.
  • I think onlyfans liberated sex workers from the claws of giant corporations who I am sure are very happy with the demise of onlyfans. The porn industry, like many industries, get away with murder but it only becomes a problem when regular people run their own lives and don’t need a boss anymore. You see this fight against independent content creators everywhere these days, not just with onlyfans. 

Finally, if someone is addicted to porn, they probably have too much time on their hands anyway, and the real problem isn’t pron. It is the lack of goals and ambitions, it’s almost alway the cause behind many of the “mental issues” modern societies have, we’re just less blunt at facing ambition-less individuals with the truth and more likely to give them a pass because “they probably has x mental issue”.  

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dark_gh0st_b0y said:

it's just an opinion from personal experience, in the end of the day it all comes down to what kind of person you are deep inside

and there are many people like me - and many will be dragged into the pornohorror for no reason because it is overpromoted as being "good for everyone" but it's not, some people get hurt from the pornified society and there's no way around it

I don't expect anyone to agree especially here, I know the demographics of this place well, I'm just expressing my opinion and experience :)

Well…. you also use the science card. And I bet your demographic has a religious background, which we know very well. It is nice being a high horse isn’t it. 

Why do many here sound like entitled children who want to live in a temptation-free bubble? Do they think they’ll have more time to do other things in their life? I bet not, there is always someone or something to blame.



I also used to masturbate 3 to 4 times a day. It's a fairly common addiction, Porn wasn't the reason, I mostly masturbated using only my imagination because by the time my internet connection couldn't stream videos, it was either some images or my own thoughts. I'm sharing this @shikamaru317 because you look ashamed about your compulsion and I don't think you should be ashamed, it's nice you overcome your addition though

The point is some people are addicted to fast food and sweets, but we don't ban junk good because of addiction, we instead try to prevent compulsion.

Talking about myself I don't have an active sex life but unfortunately I'm a very sexual person. I don't really feel any motivation to look for casual dates or to find hook ups to satisfy my urges, so I masturbate. I already realized if I stay more than 3 or 4 days without reliefing myself I start to get aroused over random and non sexual things, so better to just jerk off and stop myself from any embarrassing situation

Moreover, I'm sure I will need to masturbate regularly even after I start to date or even marry as I don't expect my partner to be a robot to fulfill all of my sexual urges. As such I will need to look for something to estimulate myself and I never liked porn, not because I dislike see hot people fucking, I actually enjoy it more than I like to admit, but because I have some idea about how dreadful the conditions behind those scenes can possibly be. Free creators are an elegant solution for me, maybe it's not everyone couple of tea, but serve its purpose



shikamaru317 said:

So, I've been debating about rather or not I should tell about my personal experience with porn since yesterday. Finally decided that I will. I've never really opened up about this to anyone, this is a first for me:

Literally the biggest regret of my entire life is ever having looked at porn, and I'm a man who has many regrets. When I was in 6th grade I had a friend who told me that you could find pictures of naked girls online, which was news to me, believe it or not. I immediately went home and looked, being curious about the female body as many boys of that age are. Little did I know at the time that had started down a path of addiction. My parents were computer illiterate boomers who knew nothing about internet safety; putting up firewalls that block porn sites or even how to check web browser history, and I had a locking door to my room, so I had pretty much free reign to search for whatever I wanted online. I found myself looking at porn more and more from then on, until I reached a point where I was sometimes masturbating 3 or 4 times a day.

I was addicted, there is no other word for it. Someone said earlier in this thread that you can't become addicted to porn, that is just straight up false, my testimony is proof of it's addictive properties. I found myself trying to quit time and time again over the years, but just like someone who is addicted to any other vice, be it alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, etc., the call of pornography just kept pulling me back. I would quit for awhile, but the pull was always there calling to me from the back of my brain, and I would have one bad day where I just needed my fix, the sweet release of an orgasm to cope with stress, and next thing you know I would be back to looking at it daily again.

And like anything that you get too much of, the amount of pornography I consumed caused me to get bored with what I saw far too often. That in turn caused me to seek out kinkier and kinkier material just to stave off that boredom.

I am currently "clean", but that addiction is always there in the back of my mind, urging me to look at some porn, especially when I'm under stress.

And it's not just the addiction that is bad about pornography. Pornography changed the ways I viewed women. It caused me to develop very specific and strong preferences for nude attractiveness that will make it very difficult to ever find a wife who meets those standards. It caused me to develop kinks that I rather wish I didn't have. Pornography has caused me more pain than just about anything else in my life, to be quite frank, and I have many forms of chronic physical pain.

Lets get down to the nitty gritty, some of the other negatives of pornography:

-It causes people who view porn to have unrealistic expectations about penis size. Let's face it, the average man is not packing 8+ inches of thick meat in his pants, in fact the largest penis size study ever done found the average erect male penis to be just 5.17 inches long (bone pressed) and 4.59 inches in circumference, both substantially smaller figures than the average porn penis, even the average in homemade porn videos. Average and smaller guys are often too embarrassed to appear in homemade porn, leading to pornography skewing beliefs about what is average for a male penis. And professionally made porn with average or smaller than average guys only exists in the form of videos designed to cater to men who have a fetish about being humiliated for their small size. Porn footage of women being satisfied by average or smaller guys is nearly non-existent, which helps feed into average and smaller men feeling unwanted shame for their size. Women who view porn are more likely to expect more than they're going to get from the average guy in bed, both in terms of size and staying power in most cases.

-It causes some men to begin to view women as sexual objects whose only function is to sexually gratify men. The prevalence of readily assessable simulated non-consensual porn and psudo non-consensual porn has most assuredly lead to the increase in rape culture over the years.

-It also causes men to develop often unrealistic expectations for the nude female body, which in turn leads to more and more women getting cosmetic surgery done in an attempt to look like porn stars. Because the so called "innie" vulva is so much more common in porn than the so called "outie" vulva, many women with "outies" feel shame and have labiaplasty done to modify the appearance of their vulva. The same shame is often felt by women who have large areolas, due to to rarity of large areolas in pornography. Then there is of course pornography leading to more and more men preferring large breasts, which has caused many women to feel like they need to get implants when they don't need them.

-A substantial number of porn stars, both professional and amateur, feel regret for appearing in porn later in life. You need only search and you can find the testimonies of many of these women, many of which are pretty damning, especially in regards to the professional porn industry. 

-The professional porn industry in particular is well known for being unscrupulous. There have been well documented cases of professional porn companies exploiting women, casting underage girls, even sex trafficking them. One of the most famous cases was the site "GirlsDoPorn", who fraudulently coerced young women to appear in porn videos. The site was closed in 2019 after several of the women sued them, and the women subsequently sued Pornhub, alleging that Pornhub's parent company knew that the girls were coerced and hosted the videos on their sites anyway, which is one of the things that lead to Pornhub removing millions of videos last year.

-The amateur porn industry, including OnlyFans, is less controversial than the professional porn industry, though there have been multiple arrested individuals who have admitted to using sites like OnlyFans to host child porn and even sell sex slaves. A bipartisan coalition in the US House of Representatives earlier this month called on the Department of Justice to investigate sites like OnlyFans over their lack of safeguards, which is likely one of the reasons why the payment processors gave OnlyFans the ultimatum that caused them to ban pornography. 

Thanks. That's a really great testimony, I can partially relate to it. It takes a lot of courage to open your heart and talk about this complicated subject, especially in a place like this. I wouldnt be surprised if to be called a bigot in here if I said it's inappropriate for 6 year old kids to not watch hardcore porn.

As you said, this can become an addiction especially if it starts at an earlier age when our brains are not fully developed yet. Unfortunately just like some other behaviors that impacts or reward system in the brain, it can become an addiction. Like gambling, gaming (yes, gaming and I am an example), etc.

Porn has always been around, but never like in our generation. It is extremely easy to access so the thing that people hundreds of years ago would most likely never get access to, a few decades ago would have limited access in early life, now its available 24/7 for everyone.

The damage is there and there are countless experiences of people struggling with it and the % of people addicted to it is huge, especially men.

Since it is impossible to limit it (only fans girls will move somewhere else) the best thing we can do is bring attention to the problem and help people understand how it can affect you and how to help people struggling. 



curl-6 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/19/onlyfans-to-ban-adult-material-after-pressure-from-payment-processors

"Hey guys, you know the thing that the brings in 99% of our users? Let's ban that shit."

Cos that worked out so well for Tumblr.

How is Tumblr doing today? is it relevant at any form?

I ask because I never used it so I have no idea how it works and how big was the impact of when porn was forbidden in there. It read somewhere people ran for reddit after it.



EnricoPallazzo said:
curl-6 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/19/onlyfans-to-ban-adult-material-after-pressure-from-payment-processors

"Hey guys, you know the thing that the brings in 99% of our users? Let's ban that shit."

Cos that worked out so well for Tumblr.

How is Tumblr doing today? is it relevant at any form?

I ask because I never used it so I have no idea how it works and how big was the impact of when porn was forbidden in there. It read somewhere people ran for reddit after it.

Tumblr declined dramatically after sexual content was banned.