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I think most of us would agree that preservation is important. But it's illegal to acquire, sell or trade stolen property--and that's what happened here. Illegally-acquired ROMS are against the law, yet people continue to dabble in them, and then when they get popped, they complain about it as if their rights are being trampled on. They're not. As a matter of fact, it's the owners of said games who's rights are actually being trampled on.

So ultimately, unless you're talking about (legally) buying the games and creating your own database of them, it's not up to us to preserve anything. It's up to Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft to do that. If they don't want to, then that's on them and there's nothing legal we can do about it.



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victor83fernandes said:

5 - Games on Nintendo are not worth full price, because they cant compare graphically and performance wise to the competition, I didnt want a portable, I dont have time to play portable, I only play when I get home, so the switch is severely underpowered compared to my ps5 and even my xbox one X, why would I pay 70 euros for a game on switch in 1080p or less, that is available for 40 euros on the other consoles in 4k?

7 - Disappointing games, the only brand new first party game worth full price is Mario odyssey for the whole generation. Breath of the wild doesn't count as its the exact same as the wiiU, the rest are ports that look no better than the wiiU, or overpriced remasters, or terrible remakes such as link to the past which is not even worth my time, let alone any money. There's no new pikmin, no new wave race, no new 3d donkey kong, no new mario kart, no new zelda, no new metroid prime, no new star fox, and other games such as smash bros, mario tennis, yoshi etc are nowhere near worth full price because they didnt change much from previous versions, its basically copy and paste, with hd graphics.

If the Nintendo games are that disappointing, why bother with pirating at all?

But the thing is, I play for 30+ years now, and I can say the games we remember collectively and that are copied in new games aren't the one that were graphically exciting. Graphically exciting games are made to extract money from the gamers that are easily ensnared by shiny graphics. Other qualities make games that are timeless.



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Seems like Nintendo games are the only thing keeping these ROM sites alive. I mean couldnt they just have ROMs of games not made by Nintendo. Theres millions of other games to choose from.



Something I don't like =/= out of touch



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CaptainExplosion said:
Chrkeller said:

Nintendo legally owns their IP.  They don't owe you anything.  What Nintendo owes is shareholders value in their brand.

Shareholders are just a bunch of prunes in suits who don't give a shit about gamers, and no, Nintendo doesn't know what they're doing. If they did know what they're doing then we'd have Virtual Console on Switch instead of a substandard subscription system with an increasingly lackluster catalogue. Seriously, Switch Online went from the Donkey Kong Country trilogy to Jelly Boy, and without Earthbound or Super Mario RPG, which is brings the conclusion that they're out of touch.

Actually, I'm a shareholder and far from being rich or a 'prune in suits' I'm pretty average guy. I've sunk a decent portion of my savings into Nintendo because I have faith in their ability to turn a profit and give me a return on my investment. You're really confusing your own wants for what is good business sense. Let's say the licensing and other problems in adding Super Mario RPG as part of a low-cost service costs far more than they can reasonably expect to get as a return. Given SquareEnix's stance on the game in the past, and its continued absence currently, that appears to be the case. Nintendo is making the right decision for me as a shareholder to not waste money satisfying a niche portion of their fanbase for no expected return.

Now, this isn't to say that everything they do is correct. I think they should reinstate the VC and keep a rotating list of games from a variety of their consoles on the Switch Online rather than have a permanent list from almost everything from 2 consoles. But I can see how both of those benefit the company by driving further profit and the customer by giving them more options.

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victor83fernandes said:

This is why I hack my Nintendo consoles only, I'm glad to pay for xbox and ps games. Reasons are

1 - No sales, most good games on Nintendo are still the same price years after.

2 - Some games I already paid for, Ill have to pay again even more than what I originally paid, such as Zelda skyward sword, pikmin 3, mario kart 8 and many others, some of those are not even improved graphically coming from my wiiU

3 - Digital games are tied to the console, not the account, so if my console goes bust, I lose everything, hence why I never ever buy digital on Nintendo consoles.

4 - Some switch games don't even come complete on the cart, because of lack of storage on it, Blurays are 50gb, sd cards are like 16gb, maybe less

5 - Games on Nintendo are not worth full price, because they cant compare graphically and performance wise to the competition, I didnt want a portable, I dont have time to play portable, I only play when I get home, so the switch is severely underpowered compared to my ps5 and even my xbox one X, why would I pay 70 euros for a game on switch in 1080p or less, that is available for 40 euros on the other consoles in 4k?

6 - Switch might be a cheaper console, but you really need a pro controller to compete with the other consoles, and that brings the price up to the same.

7 - Disappointing games, the only brand new first party game worth full price is Mario odyssey for the whole generation. Breath of the wild doesn't count as its the exact same as the wiiU, the rest are ports that look no better than the wiiU, or overpriced remasters, or terrible remakes such as link to the past which is not even worth my time, let alone any money. There's no new pikmin, no new wave race, no new 3d donkey kong, no new mario kart, no new zelda, no new metroid prime, no new star fox, and other games such as smash bros, mario tennis, yoshi etc are nowhere near worth full price because they didnt change much from previous versions, its basically copy and paste, with hd graphics.

Until Nintendo fixes these issues, Ill be glad to continue with my hacked switch, even the new Switch OLED is not reason to upgrade, because its exactly the same if you only play on the TV.

When they release a Switch 2 with all games in 4K or close to it. with either a decent controller or a good price on the console, and brand new games

And here we have another example, of someone who despisses Nintendo so much compared to the other two brands, but is always so eager to play their games, justifyng the piracy, every single one of those reasons can be questioned easily:

1 - I have never understood this, always wanting for the games to be sold for super cheap prices, is truly like saying that the games don't have any value and like saying to the developers: "you now what those hundreds and hundreds of hours you kept working on?, to hell with that i'm not willing to pay more than $5 for your game", in the wii/PS3/360 era everyone wanted their "hyperrealistic games", summing it up to the crisis of 2008 the high cost of production of some of those games ruined several companies.

2 - I don't know what's the problem here, if you still have the console you can play them since you bought them for THAT console, i have several movies that i have bought several times in various formats, because despite what some people say, there have been some improvements from VHS, to DVD and now to Blu-ray or Digital download, and if you don't want to buy them again, you don't need to, samething for the games if your Wii or Wii-U is up and running well and don't want to buy Mario Kart or Skyward sword, then don't do it, but there are lots of people including the kids that weren't born during the wii era or Wii-U now discontinued, that maybe are interested in playing some of them.

3 - Others have already answered you this, and digital in itself is a risk, if a company vanishes or decides that no longer can hold an online service management, your account and everything vanish out of existance and this not only applies to videogames.

4 - There are only a few instances of that that i know of, and most of them aren't from Nintendo, some companies recently stated that the 32gb game carts isn't worth it business wise compared to the 16gb carts, so some companies try and cram the game on a 16gb cart and make you download the rest. it has always baffled me how since the PS1 times people bought into this bullshit of: "Nintendo can't compete with the other companies since they use a inferior medium of storage that can't even hold enough information to have good games", while the only thing that encouraged was bad optimization and waste of space/storage, like Zelda 64 and other games did have tons of content for their time and used the restricted space on cartridges masterfully, while not all games on the PS1 were Final Fantasy and despite that there were games using 2, 3 or even 4 discs to fit in, that is 1.4, 2.1 or 2.8 GB of space, and it was repeated with the Gamecube that was accused of the same for using 1.5 GB miniDVDs, while the PS2 used 4.7 GB standard DVDs, and i dind't knew where the problem was since they gave us timeless classics, and again, it's rich coming from someone praising the other two companies that are precisely the ones that encouraged "downloads" first from additional content, but later from "correcting patches" and later from "day one mandatory upgrades", do you remember that Assassins Creed just from the previous generation downloading a 90GB day one patch?, they were basically redownloading the entire game even if you buyed it physically. 

5 - Again if you are supposedly so against what Nintendo makes, then why are you so eager to pirate their games?, if you don't want a hybrid console good for you, but there are lots of people that benefit from it, again "not worth full price?", if you are just making the evaluation out of the graphical qualities of the games then maybe even if it is a long stretch, but the fact is that the Nintendo Console has an offering clearly not present in any of the other two consoles from the main companies, not only you can't find Mario,Zelda, Pokemon on the other consoles, but also other games like ring fit,splatoon,animal crossing, astral chain, fitness boxing, etc. ,because "they cant compare graphically and performance wise to the competition?, why would I pay 70 euros for a game on switch in 1080p or less, that is available for 40 euros on the other consoles in 4k?", again your argument is the biggest strawman i have ever seen, you are championing graphics over the most important thing in a game called playability, and Nintendo has always prioritized performance and playability over everything, just go and search for all the problems the ports and dual releases of games have had on PS5/XBSX and how they basically have normalized the two modes: chosing between "better graphics" or "better performance".

6 - Ever since the wii(and N64} this has been one of the most stupid arguments there has been, that you were brainwashed into thinking that the "dualshock" like controller is "the ONLY way to play videogames" is your problem, but for those of us that have been playing since the time with Ataris, NES and PCs with MS-DOS, we enjoy playing with different control schemes like "traditional controllers", joystics, mouse and keyboard, arcade stick and buttons. lightgun, wiimote, touch screens, etc., the experience that i had playing shooting games like the conduit, red steel 2, resident evil 4, metroid prime 3 and trilogy on wii, is to this day the best way i have experienced shooter games besides mouse and keyboard, not only feels clunky and outdated moving analogs to aim a gun, just ask why the best splatoon players prefer IR/gyroscope pointing to moving the sticks when playing competitively, you may want the alternative control scheme of the pro-controller but lots of people are just fine playing with the way the controls are desinged, the only valid criticism you could have is that of the joy-con drift, but no, you are just hating for free.

7 - This has already been answered two times already i think?, some of the Wii-U games are excellent games that were rereleased or improved upon, porting them to the switch, it was a good choice to have people experience those excellent games that were unnoticed or could perform better that what they did on the Wii-U, and about Link to the past?, you don't even know what you are talking about, you mean Link's awakening right? guess what that worthless remake:

"The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening received "generally favorable" reviews, according to review aggregator Metacritic 87/100 . Most critics agreed that the main game needed little change, but that the quality of life updates were welcome. Forbes's review states that Link's Awakening is "an excellent remake of an already faultless Zelda game." While USgamer stated that the remake "improves on the flaws" from the Game Boy version while maintaining what made it a classic in the first place, they did note some "slowdown issues pop up from time to time.""

While I agree that there could be some better new offerings and output of games and a better online service, remember that Nintendo has to oversee both their hardware and software while not being anywhere near big as the other two main companies, and we are almost two years into a pandemic that has impacted not only on the big scale of production but also on everyday work, even the PS5/XBSX and S have had a rough time in both the hardware and software fronts, and when you say "they didnt change much from previous versions, its basically copy and paste, with hd graphics" you clearly demostrate that you don't know how difficult is to program games, and even more why not everything can be ported from one thing to other different  "by just copy pasting", lemme tell you that videogame programing hasn't gotten any easier, on the contrary everything requires more and more work to satisfy demands like yours.

"Until Nintendo fixes these issues, Ill be glad to continue with my hacked switch, even the new Switch OLED is not reason to upgrade, because its exactly the same if you only play on the TV.

When they release a Switch 2 with all games in 4K or close to it. with either a decent controller or a good price on the console, and brand new games"

Not only the other two companies haven't been able to reach "True 4K UHD gaming", the controller is just your bias, and the price you based it on graphics prowess so there is no solution for that.

Okay keep pirating it, with that you are supposedly encouraging the betterment of the industry, right, you are like those teenagers throwing tantrums that since the PS2 era have been waiting for Nintendo to go bankrupt, so they can make games for the other consoles, or sell their properties, just remember that some companies sold everything and their franchises dissapeared into obscurity, and while SEGA now does Sonic and some other games for the hardware producers, it isn't as good as what they did in their own time, i still don't know why are you so eager to play pirated Nintendo games if you think everything they do is of such bad quality.

Last edited by foxmccloud64 - on 21 August 2021

victor83fernandes said:
h2ohno said:

I wish Nintendo had better policies on allowing people to keep the games they've already bought. My 3DS recently suffered severe damage and won't turn on, and even though I'll be using the exact same account as before I've lost all of my digital purchases because since the old system won't turn on there's no way to transfer any of my purchases or save data. Even spot-pass is back to square 1 and there's no one to pass with to get diorama pieces anymore.

This is why I hack my Nintendo consoles only, I'm glad to pay for xbox and ps games. Reasons are

1 - No sales, most good games on Nintendo are still the same price years after.

2 - Some games I already paid for, Ill have to pay again even more than what I originally paid, such as Zelda skyward sword, pikmin 3, mario kart 8 and many others, some of those are not even improved graphically coming from my wiiU

3 - Digital games are tied to the console, not the account, so if my console goes bust, I lose everything, hence why I never ever buy digital on Nintendo consoles.

4 - Some switch games don't even come complete on the cart, because of lack of storage on it, Blurays are 50gb, sd cards are like 16gb, maybe less

5 - Games on Nintendo are not worth full price, because they cant compare graphically and performance wise to the competition, I didnt want a portable, I dont have time to play portable, I only play when I get home, so the switch is severely underpowered compared to my ps5 and even my xbox one X, why would I pay 70 euros for a game on switch in 1080p or less, that is available for 40 euros on the other consoles in 4k?

6 - Switch might be a cheaper console, but you really need a pro controller to compete with the other consoles, and that brings the price up to the same.

7 - Disappointing games, the only brand new first party game worth full price is Mario odyssey for the whole generation. Breath of the wild doesn't count as its the exact same as the wiiU, the rest are ports that look no better than the wiiU, or overpriced remasters, or terrible remakes such as link to the past which is not even worth my time, let alone any money. There's no new pikmin, no new wave race, no new 3d donkey kong, no new mario kart, no new zelda, no new metroid prime, no new star fox, and other games such as smash bros, mario tennis, yoshi etc are nowhere near worth full price because they didnt change much from previous versions, its basically copy and paste, with hd graphics.

Until Nintendo fixes these issues, Ill be glad to continue with my hacked switch, even the new Switch OLED is not reason to upgrade, because its exactly the same if you only play on the TV.

When they release a Switch 2 with all games in 4K or close to it. with either a decent controller or a good price on the console, and brand new games

5 - You're a walking cliche. Lmao. Basing the worth of a game solely on it's graphics and resolution is just so stupid to me.

7 - A Link to the Past didn't get a remake on the Switch, obviously you didn't even play Link's Awakening remake if you don't know what game it is. So why do you think you know wether it's terrible or not?

Why do I even bother answering ignorant people like you anyway.

Where does this hate even come from? You're spinning to fit a narative. Seriously.



Please, someone just close this thread. It's become bogged down by corporate Nintendo defenders who think I'm OK WITH SOME PROFITING FROM SWITCH ROMS ON A ROM SITE WHEN I'M NOT.



The problem is the foundation of your argument is nintendo is "out of touch."

The switch has been killing it in sales and in reviews. There is no basis supporting they are out of touch. Clearly people are currently happy with Nintendo.

Ultimately most simply don't believe you know how to operate a billion dollar company better than Nintendo does.  

Another way to look at it is your claim that a VC channel would help their success.  Well the Wii U had an amazing VC channel...  and the system tanked.  The switch has a meh VC offering and the system is a lights out success.  Clearly most people don't care about VC, so you are making the mistake of believing the masses have the same preferences.

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 19 August 2021

victor83fernandes said:
h2ohno said:

I wish Nintendo had better policies on allowing people to keep the games they've already bought. My 3DS recently suffered severe damage and won't turn on, and even though I'll be using the exact same account as before I've lost all of my digital purchases because since the old system won't turn on there's no way to transfer any of my purchases or save data. Even spot-pass is back to square 1 and there's no one to pass with to get diorama pieces anymore.

This is why I hack my Nintendo consoles only, I'm glad to pay for xbox and ps games. Reasons are

1 - No sales, most good games on Nintendo are still the same price years after.

2 - Some games I already paid for, Ill have to pay again even more than what I originally paid, such as Zelda skyward sword, pikmin 3, mario kart 8 and many others, some of those are not even improved graphically coming from my wiiU

3 - Digital games are tied to the console, not the account, so if my console goes bust, I lose everything, hence why I never ever buy digital on Nintendo consoles.

4 - Some switch games don't even come complete on the cart, because of lack of storage on it, Blurays are 50gb, sd cards are like 16gb, maybe less

5 - Games on Nintendo are not worth full price, because they cant compare graphically and performance wise to the competition, I didnt want a portable, I dont have time to play portable, I only play when I get home, so the switch is severely underpowered compared to my ps5 and even my xbox one X, why would I pay 70 euros for a game on switch in 1080p or less, that is available for 40 euros on the other consoles in 4k?

6 - Switch might be a cheaper console, but you really need a pro controller to compete with the other consoles, and that brings the price up to the same.

7 - Disappointing games, the only brand new first party game worth full price is Mario odyssey for the whole generation. Breath of the wild doesn't count as its the exact same as the wiiU, the rest are ports that look no better than the wiiU, or overpriced remasters, or terrible remakes such as link to the past which is not even worth my time, let alone any money. There's no new pikmin, no new wave race, no new 3d donkey kong, no new mario kart, no new zelda, no new metroid prime, no new star fox, and other games such as smash bros, mario tennis, yoshi etc are nowhere near worth full price because they didnt change much from previous versions, its basically copy and paste, with hd graphics.

Until Nintendo fixes these issues, Ill be glad to continue with my hacked switch, even the new Switch OLED is not reason to upgrade, because its exactly the same if you only play on the TV.

When they release a Switch 2 with all games in 4K or close to it. with either a decent controller or a good price on the console, and brand new games

Why do you even have a Switch at all, if you found all but 1 game to be disappointing?  I wouldn't get a console at all, even if I was pirating all the software for free, if I thought 99% of the library was disappointing.