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Misogyny, Bigotry, homophobia and so forth is a systemic issue world-wide and it's prevalence has grown partly due to many conservative/right-wing governments coming to power (with heavy religious influences) with various changes in policy.

I.E. Trump in the USA, SCOMO in Australia, UK with Brexit... It's only in the last few years where there seems to be a 180' on many of those issues... It's just taking awhile for some governments/business/organizations to catch up on the change.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

I'll say it.

This is all hearsay and we are not privy to anything that's really happening. The allegations in these articles are not a reflection of a specific gender, but that of a specific unfortunate event.  I hold that these reports of harassment and misogyny run rampant in any big company that has a dynamic of leader in power and employee. I hold that all walks of life where power is held among other people that power is taken advantage of.

No matter which gender is the offender, we cannot, should not, speak as if it is inherit to either one or the other. To do so is to cage either our sisters or brothers as an enemy to society. Instead we must keep in mind that of individual action as the prevailing rule to how a person is viewed. Let those who do bad deeds to their brothers and sisters receive their just rewards.

I say we band together as humanity and place blame on those who deserve it and not place restrictions on those who have not deserved it. Division among the good is trifling; let there not be more division with action that is punishment for those who have not done ill deeds. Hire people who are known to do good by work and by good reputation. Do not hire people because of their gender. Gender should never mean anything in business. 

Finally, know the people who are pointed out and know the people pointing the finger. Between the two could be a liar and between the two could be confusion. It is imperative we know what is what.



Bejito1983 said:
twintail said:

give women more leadership roles.

A woman I know worked in an office only with women. The only man worked in a separate office and was the boss. She told me it was hell. One of her colleagues (a woman) insulted her, made fun of her and blamed her for anything and everything, just out of jealousy. She had depression, attempted suicide, fell into a coma, after her coma she was no longer the same and it destroyed her life and that of her family (she has two children). She told me verbatim that "women are the worst".

I worked in a big company. There was a conflict management service. Over 75% of conflicts were between women. These conflicts were for trivial things such as "she asks me too personal questions so I insulted her", "she is a hypocrite", etc.

In this company, for a while I had several women as a bosses.I received criticism of my work just for insignificant details. Whereas since the management team has changed (they are now women and men), I am told that I am doing a good job and that as long as the job is done it doesn't matter if I wrote in blue or in black.

All the people I spoke to told me the same thing, which is that it is difficult to work with a woman as a boss because they focus too much on unnecessary details.

People think misogynistic remarks are made by men, while research shows the majority of sexist slurs on Twitter come from accounts owned by women. So have more women in companies will not solve misogyny.

In scoping out your profile, I couldn't help but be struck by the fact that this is only your 8th post here, though you've been a member for over three years now, and by the fact that one of your only other political posts (all of which are from this year) is this one from early February wherein you explained how Covid-19 is caused by obesity and compared mask mandates to "world war 3". My point being that...you know, you're not striking me as the most intellectually honest contributor we have in general, so I'm not really sure how much of your story I should just take at face value. I've got the feeling you're somebody who's inclined to see yourself as a victim when you are not and to interpret life through a strictly self-serving lens. That in the first place.

In the second place, yeah women can definitely be toxic and abusive toward other women for sure! I know that from my fair share of a lot of first-hand experience just living life. Hell, I've been that woman myself lots of times! There are certain kinds of abuse though that really do tend to specifically come from men in the overwhelming majority of cases. Rape threats would be one of those, for instance. Sexual violence in general would be another. These are the sorts of issues we're talking about here and the culprits clearly are predominantly men here. The primary form of misogyny women receive from other women online is what they call "slut-shaming", as in describing women one is perhaps envious of as whores, sluts, cunts, and other sex-specific insults implying that women, and women specifically mind you, should be modest, this sort of thing. That is not the crux of what's been going on at Activision-Blizzard and I think you know that.

Nope, giving women more decision-making power in the companies they work for won't eliminate sexist attitudes and it won't solve every problem. It might help solve THESE problems though, and that's why I agreed with Twintail.



https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/ubisoft-employees-say-theyve-had-enough-of-empty-promises-offer-solidarity-to-activision-blizzard/

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/the-game-industry-shares-messages-of-solidarity-with-activision-blizzard-walkout/

Hopefully some change for the better can come from this whole mess.



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From the top it's abuse of power by people in a toxic workplace culture who lack any form of real accountability to their staff.
From the bottom it's excessive polarization and some exceptionally petty people. You can't "just like or dislike" something anymore. Either you love it or hate it with a passion. And everyone wants their mouthpieces to confirm their biases instead of having their own legitimate opinion. Some others just want to see the world burn and enjoy adding fuel to any fire they can.

Stay civil people. And remember: Blizzard is not going to get better with in-game protests. Cancel your subscriptions for a while, make Bobby work for his paycheck by improving the loves of his devs.



Jaicee said:
Bejito1983 said:

A woman I know worked in an office only with women. The only man worked in a separate office and was the boss. She told me it was hell. One of her colleagues (a woman) insulted her, made fun of her and blamed her for anything and everything, just out of jealousy. She had depression, attempted suicide, fell into a coma, after her coma she was no longer the same and it destroyed her life and that of her family (she has two children). She told me verbatim that "women are the worst".

I worked in a big company. There was a conflict management service. Over 75% of conflicts were between women. These conflicts were for trivial things such as "she asks me too personal questions so I insulted her", "she is a hypocrite", etc.

In this company, for a while I had several women as a bosses.I received criticism of my work just for insignificant details. Whereas since the management team has changed (they are now women and men), I am told that I am doing a good job and that as long as the job is done it doesn't matter if I wrote in blue or in black.

All the people I spoke to told me the same thing, which is that it is difficult to work with a woman as a boss because they focus too much on unnecessary details.

People think misogynistic remarks are made by men, while research shows the majority of sexist slurs on Twitter come from accounts owned by women. So have more women in companies will not solve misogyny.

In scoping out your profile, I couldn't help but be struck by the fact that this is only your 8th post here, though you've been a member for over three years now, and by the fact that one of your only other political posts (all of which are from this year) is this one from early February wherein you explained how Covid-19 is caused by obesity and compared mask mandates to "world war 3". My point being that...you know, you're not striking me as the most intellectually honest contributor we have in general, so I'm not really sure how much of your story I should just take at face value. I've got the feeling you're somebody who's inclined to see yourself as a victim when you are not and to interpret life through a strictly self-serving lens. That in the first place.

In the second place, yeah women can definitely be toxic and abusive toward other women for sure! I know that from my fair share of a lot of first-hand experience just living life. Hell, I've been that woman myself lots of times! There are certain kinds of abuse though that really do tend to specifically come from men in the overwhelming majority of cases. Rape threats would be one of those, for instance. Sexual violence in general would be another. These are the sorts of issues we're talking about here and the culprits clearly are predominantly men here. The primary form of misogyny women receive from other women online is what they call "slut-shaming", as in describing women one is perhaps envious of as whores, sluts, cunts, and other sex-specific insults implying that women, and women specifically mind you, should be modest, this sort of thing. That is not the crux of what's been going on at Activision-Blizzard and I think you know that.

Nope, giving women more decision-making power in the companies they work for won't eliminate sexist attitudes and it won't solve every problem. It might help solve THESE problems though, and that's why I agreed with Twintail.

I NEVER compared Mask mandate with the world war 3. I quote myself : "I'm afraid of what will happen next : Recession. I wonder if the number of suicides will exceed the number of deaths from covid-19. Maybe a world war 3." 

I meant that a WW3 could happen after the Covid19 and that scared me a lot more than the Covid19 itself. 

What I said is not at all delusional and I am not the only one to have said it. French politician Jacques Attali posted on Twitter on February 12, 2022 the following: "In the twenties of the previous century, a great pandemic followed a very great war. In the twenties of this century, a very great war may follow to a great pandemic…”

I NEVER said that Covid-19 is caused by obesity, I said : "99,9% of deaths were over 65y old and had a comorbidity. In USA, there are a lot of people dying from that desease because USA is one the countries where there are the most obeses in the world."

Obesity is a comorbidity, it's not something that cause Covid-19. All serious doctors agree that obesity is a comorbidity just like diabetes and hypertension.

Source (it's in french. You can use google translate) : https://www.topsante.com/medecine/maladies-infectieuses/zoonoses/vaccin-covid-19-comorbidites-642183

I translated the important part for you :

List of comorbidities eligible for the Covid-19 booster:Obesity (BMI over 30)
COPD and respiratory failure
Complicated hypertension
Heart failure
Type 1 and type 2 diabetes
Chronic renal failure
Cancers and malignant hematological diseases active and less than 3 years old
Trisomy 21
Transplantation of organ or hematopoietic stem cells

I thought what I wrote was pretty clear. Don't you know what a comorbidity is?
I hope you're not trying to lie, because it would be pretty silly to give the link to my comments on the subject. 

You said that : "I couldn't help but be struck by the fact that this is only your 8th post here, though you've been a member for over three years now".

Sorry, I'm not fluent in english so I always struggle to post a comment that could be easily understood. 

You say that I see myself as a victim, but you see violence towards women as the most important to talk about. I'm a man, but I don't talk that much about that fact that victims of murders are in vast majority men. I think the most important people are children. But people rarely talk about the fact that 70% of kids killed by one of their parents, are killed by their mother. 

You see all men as potential culprits, and when a man say that he is a victim, you say that he is wrong and he should man up. It's like they say in my country: heads you win, tails I lose.

I see all these scandals in the video game industry with skepticism. I wonder if this is not a way for some women to receive compensation. You have this very procedural mentality in the USA. If you slip on a fry while leaving Mc Donald's you will claim millions in compensation. This mentality, like your whole culture, spreads as far as Europe nowadays.

I let the judges make their own opinion. Not having all the elements, I do not pronounce myself and I do not accuse all the people of the same sex to have the same opinions or the same behaviors.

I know of several men who have been accused of sexist attitudes by their colleagues or superiors for reasons that range from joking with a female colleague; having made a mistake by mentioning the overweight of a colleague without meaning to; etc On the other hand, these same men have received remarks from women because they live with their parents at 30, because they are not interested in marriage; or for trainees: because they don't work at their age. There is even one to whom a woman said that he looked like an onion and that his balls must have been hanging...

The problem is that sexist insinuations are only considered serious when the culprit is a man and the victim a woman.

Just like pedophilia in some countries. For example in France, the President in office is the victim of Brigitte Trogneux his teacher who began to abuse him at the age of 14 years. She became the first lady of France.

You admit to having spied on my profile in order to find things to criticize about me and not about my comment or my opinion on the situation at Activision-Blizzard.

Isn't that a kind of harassment? lol

Last edited by Bejito1983 - on 02 March 2022

Here is the source (it's in french) : https://www.tendanceouest.com/actualite-198899-twitter-52-des-tweets-misogynes-sont-ecrits-par-des-femmes

I translated the text:

Twitter: 52% of misogynistic tweets are written by women!
A study carried out by specialists revealed that the majority of misogynistic Tweets are written more by women rather than men.

According to a study carried out by the anti-bullying organization “Ditch the Label”, in Great Britain. Rather, it is women who use misogynistic and pejorative terms to intentionally attack other women.

52% of macho and sexist tweets are posted by women and 48% by men. They tend to objectify women. The study covered 19 million English tweets between August 2012 and July 2016.

Misogynistic language actually tends to be trivialized. This study demonstrated that the "Anti-Sexism" actions to be carried out in the future would be more targeted towards women.

Here they say that 50% of sexists tweets towards women are written by women : https://femmesdumaroc.com/actualite/50-du-sexisme-sur-twitter-provient-des-femmes-28938

It's according to a british company called Demos.

Here it's a femisnist site https://www.aufeminin.com/news-societe/les-femmes-responsables-de-50-des-tweets-misogynes-s1861679.html

It says : Women responsible for 50% of misogynistic tweets



Yes, there is a tremendous lack of empathy within the gaming community and I believe it is endemic. I don't believe that the core issue is mysoginy, racism or any of those PC labels, the issue is a lack of regard for our fellow human beings. Really, lack of empathy is a growing issue among all of western society today but for some reason it has always been especially bad in gaming circles. Maybe it is the general poor development of social skills among adult gamers, the heavy proportion of teenage males in the gaming community, the easy avail of anonymity online or a combination of these factors that seems to make it worse for gamers.

That said, the overarching issue as to why things are getting worse is the same as it is for the rest of society and that is a lack of God in our society. Things are only going to get worse until that changes. Until people realize that we are all interconnected on a spiritual level with each other and that hurting one's neighbor hurts themself, there is no incentive to want to stop mistreating others. Similarly, until we realize that showing mercy and caring for somebody that we don't know provides a tremendous spiritual benefit for ourselves, there is really no incentive for a person with selfish tendencies to want to care for other people.



The issue is people think its only big because its happened in the gaming industry. Sexual harassment has been an issue in all work places before video games were even a thing. But "lets focus on the gaming industry" is what concerns me.

The company i work for has HR claims of sexual harassment, the company you work for will have aswell.

The unfortunate truth is that sexual harassment wont go away, we may stop it within some companies but its a imperfection of the human race. Just because you dont hear about it or its tied to a big name, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Most cases get resolved internally within a buiness, while at the same time, more cases are created.

This goes with racism and violence aswell. Like i always say, those that care so much about racism are the most racist people in this world.