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trestres said:
Lol DmeisterJ, you've been playing GoW multiplayer since it came out!! WOW you must buy some games once in a while, just a friendly advice.

 What would be so strange about that? I still play Counterstrike 1.6 and Unreal Tournament, both of which are around a decade old. I'm sure you still play your Wiisports or Wiiplay as well, does that make you a looser? If these are the sole requisites for being a strange guy or a looser or a stupid gamer then nearly all the members here fit the bill. Should we just throw away our games after 12-18 months? I really, really don't understand what you tried to do in that post, but I know this; you failed, in a big way.



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Do what you have to do Mr. Capps. It's your business, and as such you have the freedoms to develop for who you want when you want. But when you make comments like this:

"...but I'm still waiting for that one game that makes me play it."

and this:

"...and then they buy it and stop playing it after 2 months."

To me it just seems ignorant so say something like that. I've seen my fair share of these comments... way back in the summer of 2006 at NSider. We've heard these petty "arguments" before, and it's been disproven time and time again. My advice for Mr. Capps is this, if you want to find a "game that makes me play it." look harder, because they're out there. And if you put in some research, you'll find that Wii owners are continuing to have fun and enjoy their games.



Am I the only one who thinks "hardcore" and "casual" are buzzwords used to categorize largely diverse market fragments?

Anyway, again, this means absolutely nothing, and it's something fans of the industry knew for a long time.

It's just fanboy ammo, flung by low caliber posters.

I guess its expected, since every console has their share of haters. I just wish the Wii wasn't doing so well, so everybody with littleman's syndrome could stfu about it every once in a while?

Clear, decisive, and on point.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Sad that he act this way...Sad that people don't like Epic anymore because of his words...






disolitude said:
BengaBenga said:
I won't comment on the usual fanboy stuff that's going on in this thread. I'll only say that if I were a shareholder of Epic, I'd have some serious discussion with the CEO.

The problem in this business is that a lot of people in the business can't seperate making money and their hobby. That's sad, but also kinda sweet.

Epic games is a privately owned company. Therefore there is no shareholders that can nag at him...


In that case I actually have respect for him. He just does what he likes without taking the easy way. Before I get all kinds of comments: I'm serious. If he doesn't want to make Wii games, while that's where the money is, he sees making games as a passion, and I like that. 



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BengaBenga said:
disolitude said:
BengaBenga said:
I won't comment on the usual fanboy stuff that's going on in this thread. I'll only say that if I were a shareholder of Epic, I'd have some serious discussion with the CEO.

The problem in this business is that a lot of people in the business can't seperate making money and their hobby. That's sad, but also kinda sweet.

Epic games is a privately owned company. Therefore there is no shareholders that can nag at him...


In that case I actually have respect for him. He just does what he likes without taking the easy way. Before I get all kinds of comments: I'm serious. If he doesn't want to make Wii games, while that's where the money is, he sees making games as a passion, and I like that.

The point never was "we want epic games on the Wii"

The point was, he shouldn't flame the console using anecdotal evidence, while calling it a virus no one ever plays.

 

It's certainly false according to the sale figures of software in the US. It appears that either more people play their Wii's than their 360, or those people who still play their Wiis simply buy more software per console. Because, on an average month, the Wii will come very close, or even outsell the 360 in software amounts in the US alone, despite having a smaller userbase.

 

The fact that I have to defend the Wii against this anti-Wii fanboy bullet point, which was actually flung by someone who represents a development company, and should know better, well, that's why this has soured me towards the company. 

 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

BengaBenga said:
disolitude said:
BengaBenga said:
I won't comment on the usual fanboy stuff that's going on in this thread. I'll only say that if I were a shareholder of Epic, I'd have some serious discussion with the CEO.

The problem in this business is that a lot of people in the business can't seperate making money and their hobby. That's sad, but also kinda sweet.

Epic games is a privately owned company. Therefore there is no shareholders that can nag at him...


In that case I actually have respect for him. He just does what he likes without taking the easy way. Before I get all kinds of comments: I'm serious. If he doesn't want to make Wii games, while that's where the money is, he sees making games as a passion, and I like that.


Exactly why I thought when I read his statements... plus he has a sense of humour unlike most devs who are shamelessly promoting their games 100% of the time in interviews. I thought the virus comment is quite funny...

I don't see why wii fans see his comment as an insult...some nintendo dev called xbox live full of shit few weeks back without any reason why... that was an insult. 



superchunk said:
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
superchunk said:
yeah, right.

So when Wii has near 100m (2009/2010) and are nearing 60% market share. Epic will choose PS360/PC only. hahaha. Not unless they are getting big kicks from MSony.

Does anyone really think the casuals fueling the Wii's growth, you know the ones that are buying it solely for Wii Sports or Wii Fit or Wii Cheerleading or whatever are suddenly going to start buying games like Gears of War? At the end of the day the hardcore gamers on Wii will very likely never even come close to matching that of the PS3/360/PC and those are the gamers that Epic is targeting.

Add to that the fact that Epic is already making money off those systems and finds them extremely lucrative especially with licensing of their game engine to many developers on those platforms. It would be the same as basically saying that Blizzard will be forced to make Wii games because of the Wii's future installed base, even though they're already doing very well with their current platform.


I don't think "hardcore gamer" is the right term here, Legend, because I think there are a ton of "hardcore" gamers that would buy Zelda and Mario but have no interest in Gears of War, just as there are "hardcore" gamers that would buy Gears of War but not Mario or Zelda.

As I already posted, I absolutely agree that Epic is almost the exact opposite of what works on the Wii. That's not a matter of being "hardcore," whatever that term means, it's a specific demographic difference -- I strongly suspect that the audience for a game like Gears of War heavily, heavily tilts towards young males who prefer M titles.

That's it, actually. That's precisely how I'd put it. Enthusiast gamers who prefer M titles will likely greatly prefer the 360 or PS3 over the Wii, and it just so happens that Epic makes M rated titles for the enthusiast gamer. Ergo, I totally agree the PS360 is the better platform for them.


You put that much better than Legend. However, I still disagree and say that right NOW that is the case because there are really no games that this group likes on Wii. As Wii's userbase grows and these games become as prelavent on Wii as they are on PS360 with sub-graphics and better controls, I'd wager the majority of them will also own a Wii.


 Regardless, Epic's main business is their middleware engines.  Wii middleware engines aren't really needed as much.  Why waste time working on a whole new engine, or adapting one for the Wii when they can focus on the next Unreal engine or improving the current unreal engine which has a much bigger need.

  



...because people have never bought a PS3 that's collected dust.

Just last week, even Microsoft came out and admitted the Wii is great for the industry, with all the new people it draws in.

Instead, obviously, Capps believes these people don't exist. Instead, they only play their Wii for a couple of weeks, and then never play it again.

So, to Capps, the Wii is a drag on the gaming industry as a whole, because of graphics.

Graphics, afterall, are the most important thing to gaming, according to his ideology. How can we woo and wow our fanbase and get our ideas out there without current gen graphics and physics?


This ideology should be in the dictionary under "First Person Shooter developers."


Graphics and physics compensate for other failings, like innovation in the genre. That is why they feel graphics are so important.

Not only that, but if they hate the Wii for one reason, why make up another reason to flame it. It's so childish.

It's like, "The Wii will only give us scraps, so it's our enemy now! Nobody plays the Wii! Haha, take that."

I feel like I'm reading the opinion of an online shooter fanboy. I would just expect that the actual president of a company would be a little bit smarter, and not go around touting how "leet" he is.

He actions scream of a Mom's Basement programming office. Just one that is particularly well off, and rich. Their target audience is the "fratboy gamer" market fragment, which I've always had a problem with, since the original Playstation was release, but I'll not bring up my own ideology here. I'll just reitterate how dissapointed I am in the company.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

disolitude said:
BengaBenga said:
disolitude said:
BengaBenga said:
I won't comment on the usual fanboy stuff that's going on in this thread. I'll only say that if I were a shareholder of Epic, I'd have some serious discussion with the CEO.

The problem in this business is that a lot of people in the business can't seperate making money and their hobby. That's sad, but also kinda sweet.

Epic games is a privately owned company. Therefore there is no shareholders that can nag at him...


In that case I actually have respect for him. He just does what he likes without taking the easy way. Before I get all kinds of comments: I'm serious. If he doesn't want to make Wii games, while that's where the money is, he sees making games as a passion, and I like that.


Exactly why I thought when I read his statements... plus he has a sense of humour unlike most devs who are shamelessly promoting their games 100% of the time in interviews. I thought the virus comment is quite funny...

I don't see why wii fans see his comment as an insult...some nintendo dev called xbox live full of shit few weeks back without any reason why... that was an insult.


I remember in a place not far from here, when MS made a snarky remark on PS3 GTAIV install times and those who took offense were apparently stupid fanboys without a sense for humour, yet the situation is the exact same if someone critiques the Wii. (This has nothing to do with disolitude, just an observation!)

Just goes to show that indeed none of the groups in here are better than others and everyone has a sore spot for their console of choice.

OT: I could've been considered in bad taste what he said, but was anyone honestly surprised at this from a dev like Epic? I sure wasn't, knowing their track record, I expected as much from their part.