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Which generation is Switch ?

WiiU and Switch are both gen. 8th 33 33.00%
 
WiiU is gen. 8th and Switch is gen. 9th 56 56.00%
 
None of them !! 11 11.00%
 
Total:100

Maybe what we should do is separate the switch into it's own category. Both the PS5 and Series X are clearly defined consoles competing directly against each other where as the switch, as some would call it, is a "hybrid" and imo, isn't competing directly against PS5/Series X.



             

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As a wise man once said: 

"shit changes all the time, so the definition of a console generation is not properly defined and therefore malleable.

That said, NES was Gen 3, SNES was Gen 4, N64 was Gen 5, Gamecube was Gen 6, Wii was Gen 7, and WiiU was Gen 8. Switch, PS5, and Xbox One are all currently on the market as Gen 9. At least that's how I see it and how my game database categorizes it. We'll reconvene when the next Nintendo console/platform releases. Until then, Switch is Gen 9 in my eyes."

So there you have it. 



It's already identifying itself as bi-console (a home console and a portable console). Why not also be cross-generational?. Who are we to put labels on this electronic freak show? If it suddenly starts wanting to identify itself as an Xbox console or a Playstation console, then counts will be adjusted to reflect that so that no bias is administered.



...to avoid getting banned for inactivity, I may have to resort to comments that are of a lower overall quality and or beneath my moral standards.

DroidKnight said:

It's already identifying itself as bi-console 

And im proud that it does. You go Switch, live your truth. 



1) The NPD Group considers the Switch as being part of the same generation as the PS4 & XBO.

2) The Switch was released closer to the PS4 & XBO than to the PS5 & XBS (less than 3 years, 4 months vs. more than 3 years, 8 months).

3) The Switch will likely have spent more of its primary life cycle nominally competing directly with the PS4 & XBO than with the PS5 & XBS. For it to have spent more time competing against the PS5 & XBS, it cannot be replaced any earlier than July 2024. Such a gap would be longer than the norm for Nintendo consoles at 7 years, 4 months. Excluding the Game Boy and its anomalous life cycle, the longest gap between a Nintendo console and its replacement was between the DS and GBA, with a gap of 6 years, 4 months. The longest gap between any non-Nintendo console and its replacement is between the 360 & XBO, at 8 years.

4) Depending on how you want to categorize the pre-Crash of '83 consoles, this isn't the first time two consoles from the same brand were released in a single generation (the Atari VCS and 5200)

Conclusion: If we categorize generations by the standard of nominal competition, it is more reasonable at present to classify the Switch as a Gen 8 system alongside the PS4 & XBO. Its classification is only controversial because A) the odd timing of its release, and B) personal preference. From the NES on up to the PS4 & XBO, things were much more clear-cut, and there was little to no controversy about what generation a given system belonged to (aside maybe from more obscure also-ran outliers like the CDi or Jaguar).



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Long time lurker, but first reply here:

Imo, it depends on context. The purpose of Console generations has always been one of rather arbitrary comparisons, and the Switch is no different. The main point to take into consideration is that in addition to bridging 2 generations, the Switch is also a Hybrid console. What this means is that the Switch can fall into different generations depending on criteria.

In terms of its place in the handheld console market, as well as in Nintendo's lineup, the Switch is undoubtedly a 9th Gen console. As it is technologically speaking a portable console with the ability to output to a TV, comparing it to its handheld predecessors, the 3DS and PS Vita, we can see that the Switch is a true generational leap. In addition, Nintendo has marketed the Switch as a new experience compared to its predecessors, releasing sequels to games on prior consoles. However, this line begins to blur when you look at other factors. As Shadow said, many mainstream sites, such as NPD, Wikipedia, and even to an extent Nintendo themselves have envisioned it competing with the PS4 and XB1. To a degree, these console comparisons are often determined by mainstream outlets as a useful point of comparison, so if that is what people have agreed upon, then it doesn't really matter how arbitrary an 8th Generation categorization is, given that the primary consideration for Console generations is public agreement anyways.

In addition, while the Switch can be looked at as a generational leap in terms of the handheld market, when it comes to home consoles the Switch can be seen as an extension of the Wii U in many ways. It has roughly equivalent specs, and its first plats serve more as a continuation of the Wii U's focus on co-op gameplay and action-adventure, rather than being a technological or conceptual leap. In many ways, other than Breath of the Wild (which also launched simultaneously on the Wii U, albeit as it was being lowered into the grave), most of the Switch's best selling games have mainly been refinements on Wii U and 3DS titles, and sometimes outright ports. This isn't to dismiss the innovations that have occurred during the Switch era, but more to say that gameplay on the Switch has not brought about a paradigm shift as is typical between console generations.

So what is my conclusion here? Given all my points above, I believe that the question as to which generation the Switch belongs to isn't exactly a surprising one. As many on this forum have been highlighting above, it all comes down to personal arguments and which viewpoint people decide to take. That in itself isn't exactly new. When the Wii and Wii U came out, there were some that believed that they should be classified as last-gen consoles. But ultimately despite peoples' arguments, a consensus was reached, in that the Wii and Wii U were considered to be current Gen. As such the same is bound to happen now. With the release of the PS5 and XBXS only a few months ago, the 9th Generation has only just begun to kick into high gear, and as such I expect the question of where the Switch happens to fit in to remain unanswered for at least the months to come. Until a consensus is reached, I will continue to classify the Switch to be in both generations, depending on the circumstance.

Last edited by CheddarPlease - on 03 May 2021

CheddarPlease said:

Long time lurker, but first reply here:

Imo, it depends on context. The purpose of Console generations has always been one of rather arbitrary comparisons, and the Switch is no different. The main point to take into consideration is that in addition to bridging 2 generations, the Switch is also a Hybrid console. What this means is that the Switch can fall into different generations depending on criteria.

In terms of its place in the handheld console market, as well as in Nintendo's lineup, the Switch is undoubtedly a 9th Gen console. As it is technologically speaking a portable console with the ability to output to a TV, comparing it to its handheld predecessors, the 3DS and PS Vita, we can see that the Switch is a true generational leap. In addition, Nintendo has marketed the Switch as a new experience compared to its predecessors, releasing sequels to games on prior consoles. However, this line begins to blur when you look at other factors. As Shadow said, many mainstream sites, such as NPD, Wikipedia, and even to an extent Nintendo themselves have envisioned it competing with the PS4 and XB1. To a degree, these console comparisons are often determined by mainstream outlets as a useful point of comparison, so if that is what people have agreed upon, then it doesn't really matter how arbitrary an 8th Generation categorization is, given that the primary consideration for Console generations is public agreement anyways.

In addition, while the Switch can be looked at as a generational leap in terms of the handheld market, when it comes to home consoles the Switch can be seen as an extension of the Wii U in many ways. It has roughly equivalent specs, and its first plats serve more as a continuation of the Wii U's focus on co-op gameplay and action-adventure, rather than being a technological or conceptual leap. In many ways, other than Breath of the Wild (which also launched simultaneously on the Wii U, albeit as it was being lowered into the grave), most of the Switch's best selling games have mainly been refinements on Wii U and 3DS titles, and sometimes outright ports. This isn't to dismiss the innovations that have occurred during the Switch era, but more to say that gameplay on the Switch has not brought about a paradigm shift as is typical between console generations.

So what is my conclusion here? Given all my points above, I believe that the question as to which generation the Switch belongs to isn't exactly a surprising one. As many on this forum have been highlighting above, it all comes down to personal arguments and which viewpoint people decide to take. That in itself isn't exactly new. When the Wii and Wii U came out, there were some that believed that they should be classified as last-gen consoles. But ultimately despite peoples' arguments, a consensus was reached, in that the Wii and Wii U were considered to be current Gen. As such the same is bound to happen now. With the release of the PS5 and XBXS only a few months ago, the 9th Generation has only just begun to kick into high gear, and as such I expect the question of where the Switch happens to fit in to remain unanswered for at least the months to come. Until a consensus is reached, I will continue to classify the Switch to be in both generations, depending on the circumstance.

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Switch is a second 8th gen console after Wii U failed. Switch is simply not gen 9 unless you classify it as a gen 9 handheld succeeding 3DS. I refuse to consider it as a gen 9 console because it simply doesn't have the specs for that and likely won't be getting any 9th gen AA/AAA ports once PS4 and XB1 support are dropped and the cross-gen period is over, unless Switch Pro is allowed to have exclusives that aren't on Switch and Switch Lite.

The Wikipedia mods also decided to classify it as gen 8, it is missing from the gen 9 wikipedia page. 



Switch's generation doesn't really matter because it's not trying to compete in the home console space in the same way that PS5/XSX are, or PS4/XBO were. However I would say I associate the Switch more with the PS4 and XBO as it's competitors and see it more of as a refined "2nd attempt" at the Wii U concept than a fully brand new generation.



shikamaru317 said:

Switch is a second 8th gen console after Wii U failed. Switch is simply not gen 9 unless you classify it as a gen 9 handheld succeeding 3DS. I refuse to consider it as a gen 9 console because it simply doesn't have the specs for that and likely won't be getting any 9th gen AA/AAA ports once PS4 and XB1 support are dropped and the cross-gen period is over, unless Switch Pro is allowed to have exclusives that aren't on Switch and Switch Lite.

The Wikipedia mods also decided to classify it as gen 8, it is missing from the gen 9 wikipedia page. 

Wikipedia? Seriously? 



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first.