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Which generation is Switch ?

WiiU and Switch are both gen. 8th 33 33.00%
 
WiiU is gen. 8th and Switch is gen. 9th 56 56.00%
 
None of them !! 11 11.00%
 
Total:100

I see it more like a 8th gen console

Just like I see Game Boy as part of the same generation as SNES, even if outlived it and survived to as far as the Game Cube release

Switch will be similar. It will outlive most of 9th gen, and then Nintendo will "start" 10th gen, just like 3DS started 8th gen being released 2 years before PS4/Xbone



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As the guy who made the charts (with the input of the VGC team) the idea behind it is to present the information that is interesting to compare.

Seeing how PS5 and XBS will fare against the Switch is interesting to follow and they are all the "current" consoles of the big 3.
It's also very interesting to see how Switch is catching up to PS4 so a graph comparing PS4, XBO and Switch is relevant.
Wii U was kinda left out by this so it made sense to include it in the Gen 8 graph.



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NVIDIA Shield was 9th Generation even if nobody realized it at the time and it was weaker than PS4 released a few months later. /s

Seriously, at least VGChartz isn't trying to force things into "gen" model, with NS displayed in both current and lastgen tables.

Honestly, I think a front page showing all of that together makes the most sense, especially since PS4/XO is still on sale and relevant.
Not sure how many years that will continue, but since NS overlaps both I think it makes sense to retain all of them until NS ends.
And I think that makes sense to have all of PS4/PS4/XO/XS/NS/3DS in front page sales total table, because they all are in weekly #s.
(albeit it seems likely Nintendo will drop 3DS completely sooner or later at which point it shouldn't need to be in any current table/#s)

Last edited by mutantsushi - on 02 May 2021

Amnesia said:

So I see on HOME page that Switch is very clearly considered as a 9th gen machine.

Please explain me your arguments (anyone, not only the person who made this new graphic) for putting WiiU on 8th and Switch on 9th because really, I still don't get it after 31 years into video games. No one has yet convinced me.

The idea of generations really only holds up well if appliedto one manufacturer. The PS4 was the next machine after the PS3, so a new generation. The WiiU was the next machine after the Wii, so it is a new generation. The 3DS is the next gen after the DS. You get the idea.

The moment you try to fit machines of different companies into one distinct generation and define overarching gens independent of manufacturers, you get into trouble. Yes, sometimes the release schedules somewhat line up, as different consoles tend to compete with each other. But that doesn't always work like that.

The proponents of clear gens tend to ignore 1st and 2nd gen and the lost gen. Because back then the lines weren't as clear cut. But even later some machines didn't line up as well. NES released in different regions at wildly different times. It released in europe more than 3 years later than in japan and only about 4 years before Super Famicom (SNES) released in Japan. So where does it belong? Where does the Dreamcast belong? How about the long tail of sales of the PS2?

The Switch is the successor to both the 3DS and the WiiU, and as handheld and stationary console already were not aligned, it was clear it wouldn't fit neatly into both timelines. As it is, Switch released right on schedule for a 3DS successor, but the life of the WiiU was cut short. A decision that was probably made easier for Nintendo, as the WiiU wasn't all that successful.

As I said before, competition made release schedules line up a bit. But Nintendo started at least since the Wii to diverge in their market approach. It is not like Nintendo isn't in competition with Sony and MS at all, but for the most part they doesn't affect each other *that* much. PS4 sold like it sold before as Switch released. Switch kept on selling as the PS5 released. That also makes it easier for the Sony gens and the Nintendo gens to not be aligned. Switch either reaches customers that aren't interested in Sony or MS offerings at all, but also customeras who happily purchase both. MS and Sony on the other hand are very well competing for the same market. That may change, with the increased focus of MS on Gamepass, and maybe in the future their schedules will also diverge to each other more.

An word about people that think gens are about tech: look at the history of consoles, especially older ones and see how wrong that assumption is. The only constant is, that the next machine of the same manufacturer will be a progress in technology.

So TL;DR: don't put your eggs stubbornly into the idea of defined gens independent of manufacturers. In reality the gens of different manufacturers only sometimes line up neatly.



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Amnesia said:
Leynos said:

The switch is neither 8th nor 9th gen. WIsh people would stop putting it with traditional console generations. It's a 1ST Generation Hyrbid Nintendo console. It's in a category of its own.

Strange though that people want to separate so much these two machines, they have nearly same capacities, same games, same size in hand, main concept is the same except that one is limited to 12 meters, the other one is infinite distance from dock. Games of the WiiU were all ported to Switch, Nintendo has proposed the "retro compatibility" where you pay two times full price a same game, and you all decided to deny this and call it "9th gen" instead.

As the Switch is so similar in concept and tech to the WiiU, that must be the reason it does sell so similar.

BraLoD said:

Switch is a handheld, don't worry about it.

That is why the Switch Lite sells so much more than the hybrid model that includes a costly connection to TV handheld gamers don't need.

mutantsushi said:

Nintendo itself has long been clear they are in no way actually competing against the other console twins.

And Switch actually is a rebranded NVIDIA Shield (launched same year as PS4) with low power handheld mode.
Why would Shield's hardware generation change just because it's rebranded under Nintendo?

And this must be the reason the Switch sell as well as the NVIDIA Shield did.

"But Mnementh, Switch sells because it has a Nintendo logo on the package."

As did the WiiU.

Last edited by Mnementh - on 02 May 2021

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I would say 8th gen. because I dont see the switch as a succesor of the wii u, but as a consolidation of the current handheld and home console nintendo where offering.

To elaborate, I say games define a generation or what games are capable during that generation. The capability's of the switch are pretty much the same as wii u so the games are very similar. The same as why the x1 and x1x are the same gen even though one is 4x the capabilities, the games are the same and neither does anything the other cant, just higher resolution.

Now the switch was barely getting some very few if any games the ps4/x1 where getting, I would assume its not gona get any game at all that comes from here onwards as its no longer a resolution issue anymore. It will be limited by things like ssd, raytracing and what ever does differentiate the gens.



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Along with "is Switch a console or a handheld" this is one of the most pointless and overdone arguments on VGChartz, and the gaming forum sphere in general.

Amnesia said:

Strange though that people want to separate so much these two machines, they have nearly same capacities, same games, same size in hand, main concept is the same except that one is limited to 12 meters, the other one is infinite distance from dock. Games of the WiiU were all ported to Switch, Nintendo has proposed the "retro compatibility" where you pay two times full price a same game, and you all decided to deny this and call it "9th gen" instead.

They are totally separate.

Their internal architecture is nothing alike. Switch is significantly more capable. Many Wii U games and not on Switch and thousands of Switch games are not on Wii U. One is a home console with a screen in the controller, the other is a mobile device where all the processing hardware is housed in a handheld form factor. 

Conflating the two is like saying the PS2 and Vita are the same.

eva01beserk said:

The capability's of the switch are pretty much the same as wii u 

They're not.

Switch is significantly more capable than Wii U. The latter couldn't handle ports of games like Witcher 3 or Doom Eternal.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 03 May 2021

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

Are the "classic retro nostalgia mini consoles" considered part of original gen and added to sales of that platform?

Last edited by mutantsushi - on 02 May 2021

shit changes all the time, so the definition of a console generation is not properly defined and therefore malleable.

That said, NES was Gen 3, SNES was Gen 4, N64 was Gen 5, Gamecube was Gen 6, Wii was Gen 7, and WiiU was Gen 8. Switch, PS5, and Xbox One are all currently on the market as Gen 9. At least that's how I see it and how my game database categorizes it. We'll reconvene when the next Nintendo console/platform releases. Until then, Switch is Gen 9 in my eyes.



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PS5, Switch

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

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Bloodborne, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, God of War, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Dark Souls III, Red Dead Redemption II, Rock Band 4

The home page doesn't really call it 9th at all. It's current.

Switch is pretty hard to peg. As a handheld, it's Gen IX. It's so far beyond the capabilities of either the 3DS or Vita. But as a console, it seems more like yet another eighth-gen piece of Nintendo hardware. I personally call it 9th, but it's tough.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 125 million (was 73, then 96, then 113 million)

PS5: 105 million Xbox Series S/X: 60 million

PS4: 122 mil (was 100 then 130 million) Xbox One: 50 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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