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Forums - Sales Discussion - Famitsu Sales: Week 4, 2021 (Jan 18- Jan 24)

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Farsala said:
Mnementh said:

Software sales scale a bit with install base, but never linear. A highly successful system will always have lower attach rates for single pieces of software than a less successful system with the same software. Just look at Mario Kart 8. It sold 8.5M on less than 14M WiiUs (>50% attach rate), while it 'only' sells 30M copies to 78M Switch owners (less than 50%).

Yep but the Switch's attach ratio for most software has just plain been better than the PS4's for the most part. Compare the #1 games for each and go down the line, #2, #3, #4 and etc.

Yeah, but it's not the same games. Switch has some highly popular games, that in result have an incredible attach rate. But the more units the Switch sell, the more diverse the userbase will be and therefore the attach rates will slowly drop. It just speaks to the incredible broad appeal of games like BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing and Mario Kart, that they still manage such a high attach rate at all.



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Are some people still convinced the ps5 will outsell the Switch globally? It is too early to tell, but I am not so sure anymore.



Chrkeller said:

Are some people still convinced the ps5 will outsell the Switch globally? It is too early to tell, but I am not so sure anymore.

Well, this is Japan, and in Japan Switch dominates PS4 already, although overall PS4 is still ahead. So this datapoint alone isn't saying much. I don't think PS5 will overtake Switch, but not because of Japan. We expected PS5 lose to Switch in japan.



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PAOerfulone said:

Just 3 days away from Nintendo's next Earnings Release.

Some of these VERY interesting.

In particular, I've got my eyes on Pikmin 3, Animal Crossing, and Hyrule Warriors.

For Hyrule Warriors, will the fact that it is publisher Koei Tecmo in Japan affect the numbers posted by Nintendo? Will they publish international number without Japan or worldwide numbers?



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Chrkeller said:

Are some people still convinced the ps5 will outsell the Switch globally? It is too early to tell, but I am not so sure anymore.

I don't think PS5 will even overtake PS4 nor will it come close. 

And you are right that it's definitely too early to tell going by the data.  Launch data is basically useless in determining lifetime sales.  Wait until Dec 31, 2021 for PS5 and compare it to Dec 31, 2014 for PS4.  That will give a pretty good indication how PS5 is going to do, either in Japan or worldwide.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
Chrkeller said:

Are some people still convinced the ps5 will outsell the Switch globally? It is too early to tell, but I am not so sure anymore.

I don't think PS5 will even overtake PS4 nor will it come close. 

And you are right that it's definitely too early to tell going by the data.  Launch data is basically useless in determining lifetime sales.  Wait until Dec 31, 2021 for PS5 and compare it to Dec 31, 2014 for PS4.  That will give a pretty good indication how PS5 is going to do, either in Japan or worldwide.

It will be interesting.  Maybe I just undersold Nintendo as a brand, but when the Switch was announced I was expecting 30 to 50 million sold worldwide.  Needless to say, the Switch has decimated my expectations.  Fricking wild fire, and while the Wii hit a brick wall and dropped in sales, the Switch doesn't appear to be slowing much.  Nintendo has a crazy winner on their hands.  A Switch 2 in a few years that is fully BC is a no brainer.  



Chrkeller said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't think PS5 will even overtake PS4 nor will it come close. 

And you are right that it's definitely too early to tell going by the data.  Launch data is basically useless in determining lifetime sales.  Wait until Dec 31, 2021 for PS5 and compare it to Dec 31, 2014 for PS4.  That will give a pretty good indication how PS5 is going to do, either in Japan or worldwide.

It will be interesting.  Maybe I just undersold Nintendo as a brand, but when the Switch was announced I was expecting 30 to 50 million sold worldwide.  Needless to say, the Switch has decimated my expectations.  Fricking wild fire, and while the Wii hit a brick wall and dropped in sales, the Switch doesn't appear to be slowing much.  Nintendo has a crazy winner on their hands.  A Switch 2 in a few years that is fully BC is a no brainer.  

Well, with Nintendo being Nintendo I expect a SwitchU which totally tanks. Nintendo can sometimes hit the need of the market perfect, and then turns around to make something completely stupid.

Last edited by Mnementh - on 29 January 2021

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Chrkeller said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't think PS5 will even overtake PS4 nor will it come close. 

And you are right that it's definitely too early to tell going by the data.  Launch data is basically useless in determining lifetime sales.  Wait until Dec 31, 2021 for PS5 and compare it to Dec 31, 2014 for PS4.  That will give a pretty good indication how PS5 is going to do, either in Japan or worldwide.

It will be interesting.  Maybe I just undersold Nintendo as a brand, but when the Switch was announced I was expecting 30 to 50 million sold worldwide.  Needless to say, the Switch has decimated my expectations.  Fricking wild fire, and while the Wii hit a brick wall and dropped in sales, the Switch doesn't appear to be slowing much.  Nintendo has a crazy winner on their hands.  A Switch 2 in a few years that is fully BC is a no brainer.  

At this point, Switch has blown away Wii sales.  There is even a semi-decent chance it will pass Wii lifetime (worldwide) by the end of this year.  Right now it's probably more appropriate to compare Switch sales to the DS.  That's more like the level it is selling at (and without a price cut.)

Mnementh said:
Chrkeller said:

It will be interesting.  Maybe I just undersold Nintendo as a brand, but when the Switch was announced I was expecting 30 to 50 million sold worldwide.  Needless to say, the Switch has decimated my expectations.  Fricking wild fire, and while the Wii hit a brick wall and dropped in sales, the Switch doesn't appear to be slowing much.  Nintendo has a crazy winner on their hands.  A Switch 2 in a few years that is fully BC is a no brainer.  

Well, with Nintendo being Nintendo I expect a SwitchU which totally tanks. Nintendo can sometimes hit the need of the market perfect, and then turns around to make something completely stupid.

I do have a little reservation about Switch 2, because of the Wii U debacle.  However, I think it is more likely that Switch 2 will be another big win.  The main problem with the Wii to Wii U transition is that the Wii was too contrary to Nintendo's DNA.  The developers really didn't want to perpetually, every generation, make games like the hit Wii games: Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, etc....  Hell, they don't even want to really make a good 2D Mario game anymore.  Instead, they wanted to make games like N64 and Gamecube and that is a lot of what the Wii U had.  The new Wii gamers didn't want these kinds of games, and so the Wii U failed.

However, Switch games are very much part of Nintendo's DNA.  All they did was merge their home side and handheld side together.  The handheld side of their business was always ultra successful, and their developers are used to making these types of games.  The Switch is a very good fit for Nintendo both internally and externally.  The market wants it and their developers want to make games for it.  This kind of synergy can work for them in the long term.  That is why I think Switch 2 will be another big hit.



Previous Update: Week 2

3rd Party Top 30 Switch

  1. Minecraft (Microsoft) - 1.786.687 
  2. Momotaro Dentetsu (Konami) - 1.710.394  
  3. Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 600.526
  4. Fishing Spirits (Bandai Namco) - 563.929
  5. Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco) - 554.560 
  6. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 (Sega) - 370.235 
  7. Yo-kai Watch 4 (Level 5) - 358.356 
  8. Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo) - 334.617 
  9. Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate* (Capcom) - 314. 111
  10. Dragon Quest Builders 2 (Square Enix) - 295.237 
  11. eBaseball 2020 (Konami) - 248.024
  12. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball (Konami) - 225.614
  13. Super Bomberman R3* (Konami) - 215.218
  14. Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle (Ubisoft) - 213.453
  15. Octopath Traveller (Square Enix) - 193.780
  16. Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 (Bandai Namco) - 181.090
  17. Disney Tsum Tsum Festival (Bandai Namco) - 149.562
  18. Story of Seasons: Friends of Mineral Town (Marvelous) - 146.363
  19. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission (Bandai Namco) - 145.720
  20. Fitness Boxing (Imagineer) - 129.142
  21. FIFA 18 (EA) - 122.998
  22. Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 122.386 (+6)
  23. Derby Stallion (Game Addict) -121.740 (-1)
  24. One Piece: Pirate Warriors 4 (Bandai Namco) - 117.954 (-1)
  25. Doraemon: Story of Seasons (Bandai Namco) - 112.104 (-1)
  26. Pro Baseball Famista Evolution (Bandai Namco) - 110.954 (-1)
  27. The Snack World: TreJarers Gold (Level 5) - 109.955 (-1)
  28. Human: Fall Flat (Teyon Japan) - 108.181 
  29. Trials of Mana (Square Enix) - 100.451 
  30. Dragon Ball FighterZ (Bandai Namco) - 92.697 

TOTAL: 9.856.038

Top 10 Publishers:

  1. Konami - 2.399.250
  2. Bandai Namco - 2.028.570
  3. Microsoft - 1.786.687 
  4. Square Enix - 1.189.994
  5. Level 5 - 468.311
  6. Sega - 370.235
  7. Koei Tecmo - 334.617
  8. Capcom - 314. 111
  9. Marvelous - 268.749
  10. Ubisoft - 213.453

Konami is continuing to pull ahead compare this to their result just 6 months ago

TOTAL: 7.067.250

    1. Bandai Namco - 1.932.583
    2. Microsoft - 1.438.672
    3. Square Enix - 1.123.645
    4. Sega - 561.935
    5. Konami - 535.708
    6. Level 5 - 468.311
    7. Capcom - 309.596
    8. Koei Tecmo - 295.751
    9. EA 269.759
    10. Marvelous - 257.874

They've hit over x4 growth in the past six months, while Bandai & Square have made only small gains. If Bandai doesn't have any 200K games on the Switch in the upcoming months - I can totally see them declining further as only Fishing Spirits and Taiko have surpassed 200K. Square does have a fair few titles coming out but so far only Bravely Default 2 seems like it needs to do well so they don't get overtaken mid-year by Marvelous due to Olive Town and Rune Facotry 5 hitting franchise record while Sakuna is surpassing 200K

Obviously by April there would be one clear winner in 2021. Even though it's taken them a long time to actually deliver support on the Switch, it seems that they are many factors which would make Monster Hunter Rise launch successful. Capcom's strategic pivot in 2021 seems very clear, and they are about to eat. With the current hardware demand still being extremely high, this will probably unlock the Super Saiyan Switch mode, especially if all other games launching are well received - Bowser's Fury, Olive Town, Bravely 2, Rune Factory 5, Snap, SMT V are all games that have potential to move hardware - unlike last year when we didn't have a single 3rd Party game that cleared 200K until H2

Last edited by noshten - on 29 January 2021

The top 30 is always so close to being all Switch games (at least recently) but it doesn't get quite there.
Nice to see the Switch continues being up YoY.