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curl-6 on 15 January 2021
Doctor_MG said:

The Wii's 2011-2012 was awful because there were next to no first party games in general. 2011 was Skyward Sword, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Poke Park 2, Rhythm Heaven Fever, Mario Sports Mix and Fortune Street. For 2012 it was just Mario Party 9 and Kirby Collection. Even 2020 beats that abysmal lineup I would say, based on both quality and quantity. Do you really think that the next few years for Switch will be even worse than 2020?

Xenoblade Chronicles released in 2011 for PAL territories and 2012 in North America for the Wii, and The Last Story was 2012 for both.



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Cerebralbore101 on 15 January 2021
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah, I've been meaning to respond to that. The title of the thread and the OP are not contradictory. The title does fail to summarize my position though. I guess I should have called it "Hey you guys, I'm really worried that the quality of Nintendo's first party output will drop drastically for the final 3 years of the Switch's life cycle. I'm starting to think that they will only have 2 quality 1st party titles a year for the rest of Switch life cycle." But that would have been too damned long. There's lots of books out there where the title doesn't properly summarize the book as well. It just happens. I hoped that people would read the OP, and understand my position but some people in this thread clearly skimmed over it. Others on the other hand have offered up good rebuttals (most of which I haven't responded to because they make good cases, and I desperately want to be proved wrong by Nintendo).

P.S. I know full well that Switch is going to have an insane year with 3rd party content. Both in terms of quality and in terms of sales. I guess I should have made that clearer in my OP. But I always have this trouble predicting how my posts will be interpreted. I feel like I'm saying Pizza is good, and then people come out with "So you think all Italian food is superior to Chinese food huh?".

It's really not that hard. All you had to title it was "I think EPD won't release many notable games in the next few years". 

I mean honestly, even then you'd get criticism because there's not that much to support the theory, but it at least would make more sense as a thread. It doesn't help that you included stuff like Bayonetta 3 or New Pokemon Snap, either, because those aren't games made by Nintendo, they're just games Nintendo funds. So there's already a bit of contradiction between parts of the OP. I know you kind of address it, but you didn't actually excuse it, you just mentioned it was the case. I think if we include games like that, stuff like Feel-Good games (I have a feeling they might release another one) or mainline Pokemons have no reason to not be listed. In fact, a lot of Nintendo's late support of their systems is third party developed games that fall under Nintendo IP, like Fire Emblem, Pokemon, and Kirby. So not including stuff like that but including Bayonetta 3 or New Pokemon Snap is just ... weird ... unless you actually think those won't release. 

Well if I just said "I think EPD won't release many notable games in the next few years", that wouldn't have encapsulated my worries. This is because I am afraid that non-EPD games will also fail to be delivered in the next three years. Nintendo kind of blurs the lines between 1st party and 2nd party. Nintendo funds a lot of games that aren't made by Nintendo but include Nintendo owned IPs. For example: If you look at the Pessimistic version of my timetable, it's missing a ton of those Nintendo IP funded games like Fire Emblem, or Kirby. If you look at the optimistic version of my timetable it includes a lot more of those type of Nintendo IP funded games.



Cerebralbore101 on 15 January 2021

I never once made a console sales prediction in my OP. This was never a Nintendoomed thread. Nintendoomed threads predict that Nintendo's sales will fall off a cliff, or will never materialize. I never once made that sort of prediction. None of the posters below bothered reading my OP.

Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

CrowRSchneider said:

I also think 2020 was the peak year but there's no way 2021, 2022 are gonna be like the final years of the Wii, it's gonna be a very slow decline from here unless they decide to announce the Switch 2 early.

abronn627 said:
Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

But the Cliff do exist !

It’s just that nobody specified it would upward instead of downward.

GoOnKid said:
Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

The cliff never gets old :D

It will happen though! Source:

Spoiler!
Dude, trust me.



Cerebralbore101 on 15 January 2021
Doctor_MG said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Well I'm starting to think that. I'm afraid that, that is the shitty times we live in. I want to hope that Nintendo has amazing output for 2021. But I just have this deep seated fear that Nintendo is just going to blow it this year. I want to be wrong. Nothing would make me happier.

Quality is subjective, but that doesn't make it irrelevant to the conversation. Without taking quality into account almost every system ever made was amazing with a high amount of games released for it. I mean, if somebody were to toss quality out the window, then 3DO can be said to be a good system since it got 200 games released to it.

I didn't say you can't take into account quality, but you are suggesting games aren't a topic of discussion because you may not be personally interested in them. I mean, I could say that PS5's catalog will look like:

2021:

-Ratchet and Clank 
-God of War

Then I could state "well, those are the only games I'm interested in", but that isn't a good defense for not listing Destruction All Stars, Horizon: Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7, Returnal, or anything else they may have. There is more to it than individual interest. Wii's 2011 and 2012 were objectively awful with regards to first party output, and youre attempting to suggest the Switch will be equally as bad despite their worst year so far being better than both those years combined with regard to output. 

Again, listing the games and then accounting for quality and preference is one thing. Pretending they don't exist entirely is another. 

If Destruction All Stars, Gran Turismo 7, and Returnal get 80/100 review scores on average or better, then you can bet your ass I'll list them. I definitely see the possibility of those games being great, but I'm not a fan of counting my chickens before they hatch. As far as Horizon 2 goes, that should be listed solely on the fact that the first game got 89/100 review scores on average.

I'm interested in almost all games so long as they're great games. It's just that, once review scores come out, and I read reviews, I often decide that a certain game isn't worth buying. For example: I'm cautiously optimistic about New Poke'mon Snap. Just like how, I was cautiously optimistic about Mario Tennis Aces. But for both games I'm going to wait for reviews. Why? Because both of these games are/were things that I'm interested in, but I don't see them as a  guaranteed great game. 


Edit: What I'm trying to say here is that there are very few games that I'm personally not interested in. So long as a game doesn't have egregious MTX in it, gets great reviews (around 80% on Opencritic), and isn't a bland sports or sim title, I'm going to be interested in it. Hell, there's even sim titles that I'm still interested in. And I'm not trying to pretend that games don't exist if they get below a certain threshold review wise. I'm just trying to say that every year has games like that. IMO it's not those games that the year is remembered for. Hell, I'm pretty sure that 2017 saw the fewest 1st party releases for Switch so far, yet IMO 2017 was an insanely awesome year, because of the sheer quality of the 1st party games that we did get.

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CarcharodonKraz on 15 January 2021

I dont know why it takes some of us so long to realize it, but it may have come time for u to realize 10do just isnt that cool a developer/publisher anymore. Switch had a strong start, but I think the gamecube days of 2 metroids, 2 zeldas, a sandbox mario, 2 3d mario spinoffs with their own unique charm, fresh gamercentric ip and an adventure style star fox are long gone. I found myself enamored w switch in year 1 because of mario, zelda and, to a much lesser extent, xenoblade and rabbids. but after that it just became a party console. Id recommend looking at 10do as a supplemental system if ur still really into gaming. Switch is a great handheld w all the indie games available. As far as a home conaole tho, its strictly better than its last 2 predacessors. Abandon 10do hope. In my experience, its more peaceful without it.



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Metallox on 15 January 2021
CarcharodonKraz said:

I dont know why it takes some of us so long to realize it, but it may have come time for u to realize 10do just isnt that cool a developer/publisher anymore. Switch had a strong start, but I think the gamecube days of 2 metroids, 2 zeldas, a sandbox mario, 2 3d mario spinoffs with their own unique charm, fresh gamercentric ip and an adventure style star fox are long gone. I found myself enamored w switch in year 1 because of mario, zelda and, to a much lesser extent, xenoblade and rabbids. but after that it just became a party console. Id recommend looking at 10do as a supplemental system if ur still really into gaming. Switch is a great handheld w all the indie games available. As far as a home conaole tho, its strictly better than its last 2 predacessors. Abandon 10do hope. In my experience, its more peaceful without it.

10do?



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first. 

IcaroRibeiro on 15 January 2021

Are you counting ad 1st party only games Nintendo itself produced or any game developed by any studios using Nintendo IPs

Pokemon will always have some spin offs, Detectice Pikachu is confirmed, so is Snap and maybe we are getting Pokemon Ranger too (the first sold almost 3 million on DS). The IP is as hot as ever, and Nintendo likes to exploit their fandom. 4th gen remakes are coming and next gen also coming before Game Freak drops the Switch

Animal Crossing and Splatoon spin offs also kinda looks almost inevitable at this point

And Mario... well it's Mario. Can you really recall the last year of Nintendo existence where no Mario-related game ever come out? I guess it's kinda of a nature force now, as certain as the existence of day and night there will be a Mario-related game to come out sooner than later

A new Zelda, a new Metroid... IDK, I can't see your scenario happening. Maybe in 2023, but 2021 and 2022? Considering how week was 2020 baseline for Nintendo not released those games in the next 2 years means they kinda stopped making new games by 2019



curl-6 on 15 January 2021
CarcharodonKraz said:

I dont know why it takes some of us so long to realize it, but it may have come time for u to realize 10do just isnt that cool a developer/publisher anymore. Switch had a strong start, but I think the gamecube days of 2 metroids, 2 zeldas, a sandbox mario, 2 3d mario spinoffs with their own unique charm, fresh gamercentric ip and an adventure style star fox are long gone. I found myself enamored w switch in year 1 because of mario, zelda and, to a much lesser extent, xenoblade and rabbids. but after that it just became a party console. Id recommend looking at 10do as a supplemental system if ur still really into gaming. Switch is a great handheld w all the indie games available. As far as a home conaole tho, its strictly better than its last 2 predacessors. Abandon 10do hope. In my experience, its more peaceful without it.

They may not have had a great first party game since 2017, but the Switch has still earned its keep as my primary console since then with the likes of Witcher 3, Hellblade, Doom Eternal, Ori, Wolfenstein II, Yooka Laylee & The Impossible Lair, Age of Calamity, Luigi's Mansion 3, etc.



Cerebralbore101 on 15 January 2021
curl-6 said:
CarcharodonKraz said:

I dont know why it takes some of us so long to realize it, but it may have come time for u to realize 10do just isnt that cool a developer/publisher anymore. Switch had a strong start, but I think the gamecube days of 2 metroids, 2 zeldas, a sandbox mario, 2 3d mario spinoffs with their own unique charm, fresh gamercentric ip and an adventure style star fox are long gone. I found myself enamored w switch in year 1 because of mario, zelda and, to a much lesser extent, xenoblade and rabbids. but after that it just became a party console. Id recommend looking at 10do as a supplemental system if ur still really into gaming. Switch is a great handheld w all the indie games available. As far as a home conaole tho, its strictly better than its last 2 predacessors. Abandon 10do hope. In my experience, its more peaceful without it.

They may not have had a great first party game since 2017, but the Switch has still earned its keep as my primary console since then with the likes of Witcher 3, Hellblade, Doom Eternal, Ori, Wolfenstein II, Yooka Laylee & The Impossible Lair, Age of Calamity, Luigi's Mansion 3, etc.

Same. Switch has basically shared equal time with my PS4 thanks to all the Indies it gets. If I only had a Switch to game on, I'd be able to find more than enough to play.



CarcharodonKraz on 17 January 2021
Cerebralbore101 said:
curl-6 said:

They may not have had a great first party game since 2017, but the Switch has still earned its keep as my primary console since then with the likes of Witcher 3, Hellblade, Doom Eternal, Ori, Wolfenstein II, Yooka Laylee & The Impossible Lair, Age of Calamity, Luigi's Mansion 3, etc.

Same. Switch has basically shared equal time with my PS4 thanks to all the Indies it gets. If I only had a Switch to game on, I'd be able to find more than enough to play.

Typically,  I keep my consoles disconnected from the internet, dont really dig indies, and if im grabbing an older game, its typically better looking and cheaper on the ps4. All that being said, genuinely happy its working out so well for u guys. Curl, calamity was pretty sweet. Wish the 1st botw had a story that big. Hope the next ones good.