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LOL was wondering when one of these threads would pop up again...



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Cerebralbore101 said:

Well I'm starting to think that. I'm afraid that, that is the shitty times we live in. I want to hope that Nintendo has amazing output for 2021. But I just have this deep seated fear that Nintendo is just going to blow it this year. I want to be wrong. Nothing would make me happier.

Quality is subjective, but that doesn't make it irrelevant to the conversation. Without taking quality into account almost every system ever made was amazing with a high amount of games released for it. I mean, if somebody were to toss quality out the window, then 3DO can be said to be a good system since it got 200 games released to it.

I didn't say you can't take into account quality, but you are suggesting games aren't a topic of discussion because you may not be personally interested in them. I mean, I could say that PS5's catalog will look like:

2021:

-Ratchet and Clank 
-God of War

Then I could state "well, those are the only games I'm interested in", but that isn't a good defense for not listing Destruction All Stars, Horizon: Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7, Returnal, or anything else they may have. There is more to it than individual interest. Wii's 2011 and 2012 were objectively awful with regards to first party output, and youre attempting to suggest the Switch will be equally as bad despite their worst year so far being better than both those years combined with regard to output. 

Again, listing the games and then accounting for quality and preference is one thing. Pretending they don't exist entirely is another. 



Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)



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I also think 2020 was the peak year but there's no way 2021, 2022 are gonna be like the final years of the Wii, it's gonna be a very slow decline from here unless they decide to announce the Switch 2 early.



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Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

But the Cliff do exist !

It’s just that nobody specified it would upward instead of downward.



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Well, the Wii's final years were weak in terms of 1st party content mainly because Nintendo had to focus on saving supporting the 3DS, while the Switch is the only platform Nintendo has to support now, so it isn't in a similar situation. On the other hand, the Wii U and the Gamecube were basically undesirable platforms for the general public, so it wasn't worth it for Nintendo to keep spending money on them during their final years. The Switch evidently isn't in that situation neither.



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Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

The cliff never gets old :D

It will happen though! Source:

Spoiler!
Dude, trust me.


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Doctor_MG said:

The Wii's 2011-2012 was awful because there were next to no first party games in general. 2011 was Skyward Sword, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Poke Park 2, Rhythm Heaven Fever, Mario Sports Mix and Fortune Street. For 2012 it was just Mario Party 9 and Kirby Collection. Even 2020 beats that abysmal lineup I would say, based on both quality and quantity. Do you really think that the next few years for Switch will be even worse than 2020?

Xenoblade Chronicles released in 2011 for PAL territories and 2012 in North America for the Wii, and The Last Story was 2012 for both.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah, I've been meaning to respond to that. The title of the thread and the OP are not contradictory. The title does fail to summarize my position though. I guess I should have called it "Hey you guys, I'm really worried that the quality of Nintendo's first party output will drop drastically for the final 3 years of the Switch's life cycle. I'm starting to think that they will only have 2 quality 1st party titles a year for the rest of Switch life cycle." But that would have been too damned long. There's lots of books out there where the title doesn't properly summarize the book as well. It just happens. I hoped that people would read the OP, and understand my position but some people in this thread clearly skimmed over it. Others on the other hand have offered up good rebuttals (most of which I haven't responded to because they make good cases, and I desperately want to be proved wrong by Nintendo).

P.S. I know full well that Switch is going to have an insane year with 3rd party content. Both in terms of quality and in terms of sales. I guess I should have made that clearer in my OP. But I always have this trouble predicting how my posts will be interpreted. I feel like I'm saying Pizza is good, and then people come out with "So you think all Italian food is superior to Chinese food huh?".

It's really not that hard. All you had to title it was "I think EPD won't release many notable games in the next few years". 

I mean honestly, even then you'd get criticism because there's not that much to support the theory, but it at least would make more sense as a thread. It doesn't help that you included stuff like Bayonetta 3 or New Pokemon Snap, either, because those aren't games made by Nintendo, they're just games Nintendo funds. So there's already a bit of contradiction between parts of the OP. I know you kind of address it, but you didn't actually excuse it, you just mentioned it was the case. I think if we include games like that, stuff like Feel-Good games (I have a feeling they might release another one) or mainline Pokemons have no reason to not be listed. In fact, a lot of Nintendo's late support of their systems is third party developed games that fall under Nintendo IP, like Fire Emblem, Pokemon, and Kirby. So not including stuff like that but including Bayonetta 3 or New Pokemon Snap is just ... weird ... unless you actually think those won't release. 

Well if I just said "I think EPD won't release many notable games in the next few years", that wouldn't have encapsulated my worries. This is because I am afraid that non-EPD games will also fail to be delivered in the next three years. Nintendo kind of blurs the lines between 1st party and 2nd party. Nintendo funds a lot of games that aren't made by Nintendo but include Nintendo owned IPs. For example: If you look at the Pessimistic version of my timetable, it's missing a ton of those Nintendo IP funded games like Fire Emblem, or Kirby. If you look at the optimistic version of my timetable it includes a lot more of those type of Nintendo IP funded games.



I never once made a console sales prediction in my OP. This was never a Nintendoomed thread. Nintendoomed threads predict that Nintendo's sales will fall off a cliff, or will never materialize. I never once made that sort of prediction. None of the posters below bothered reading my OP.

Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

CrowRSchneider said:

I also think 2020 was the peak year but there's no way 2021, 2022 are gonna be like the final years of the Wii, it's gonna be a very slow decline from here unless they decide to announce the Switch 2 early.

abronn627 said:
Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

But the Cliff do exist !

It’s just that nobody specified it would upward instead of downward.

GoOnKid said:
Naum said:

Record sales and Nintendo is still Doomed....

only thing missing now is the legendary Cliff. :)

The cliff never gets old :D

It will happen though! Source:

Spoiler!
Dude, trust me.