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xPhenom08x said:

Misquoting MK8 sales proves you are clueless and a waste of time. You don't know anything and are still trying to act as if you do. None of what you said is needed to hit 50 million and you still fail to acknowledge its actually already beyond 37 million. You want to call TLOU a 20 million seller due to its remaster but you cant acknowledge MK8's 37 million due to the WiiU version. You are so sad, you acknowledge what remasters will do for Sony's first party but ignore MK8. How the hell is 40 million + a long shot when its already pushing 37 million? Spiderman, which you can't even prove has hit 20 million somehow has 35 to 40 million as a possibility but a game at 37 already has 50 million as a long shot? Stop lol! You are just messing with me clearly. Good jokes!

Edit: I just realized you username, very fitting. That stuff must strong to be so delusional. 

I'm not the one who proclaimed 50+ Million lifetime for MK8 on the Switch. Here's what you said:

"Mario Kart 8 Deluxe released in 2017 and is well in route to 40 or 50 million without the WiiU version."  

You even went as far to say that the Switch will have two 50+ Million sellers that will challenge the top 5 best selling PS4 exclusives: 

"Mario Kart and AC will probably challenge Sonys top 5 lmao. Atleast 100 million between the two, that will challenge Spidey (30), Uncharted 4 (25), TLOU (25), GoW (25), TLOU II (25)." 

Looks like you're more clueless than me. You can't even add correctly! Unless being outsold by 30 Million units is "challenging." 

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 09 December 2020

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PotentHerbs said:
xPhenom08x said:

Misquoting MK8 sales proves you are clueless and a waste of time. You don't know anything and are still trying to act as if you do. None of what you said is needed to hit 50 million and you still fail to acknowledge its actually already beyond 37 million. You want to call TLOU a 20 million seller due to its remaster but you cant acknowledge MK8's 37 million due to the WiiU version. You are so sad, you acknowledge what remasters will do for Sony's first party but ignore MK8. How the hell is 40 million + a long shot when its already pushing 37 million? Spiderman, which you can't even prove has hit 20 million somehow has 35 to 40 million as a possibility but a game at 37 already has 50 million as a long shot? Stop lol! You are just messing with me clearly. Good jokes!

Edit: I just realized you username, very fitting. That stuff must strong to be so delusional. 

I'm not the one who proclaimed 50+ Million lifetime for MK8 on the Switch. Here's what you said:

"Mario Kart 8 Deluxe released in 2017 and is well in route to 40 or 50 million without the WiiU version."  

You even went as far to say that the Switch will have two 50+ Million sellers that will challenge the top 5 best selling PS4 exclusives: 

"Mario Kart and AC will probably challenge Sonys top 5 lmao. Atleast 100 million between the two, that will challenge Spidey (30), Uncharted 4 (25), TLOU (25), GoW (25), TLOU II (25)." 

Looks like you're more clueless than me! 

In all likelihood he is right, that it'll end up between 40 and 50 million. I think most would agree that it'll hit 40 million. It's one of the few games Nintendo pushes bundles for. As for animal crossing that doesn't seem to crazy, the game will most likely be over 30 million by the end of the year, which is just a huge amount to get in such a short period of time. The game has only been out for around 9 months.

Those numbers are ridiculous for ps4 exclusives. No way will spider man sell another 10 million on ps4, no way will TLOU make it to 25 million on ps4. TLOU 2 definitely won't get 25 million on ps4 alone. The other 2 are probably doubtful but might be possible.



pikashoe said:

In all likelihood he is right, that it'll end up between 40 and 50 million. I think most would agree that it'll hit 40 million. It's one of the few games Nintendo pushes bundles for. As for animal crossing that doesn't seem to crazy, the game will most likely be over 30 million by the end of the year, which is just a huge amount to get in such a short period of time. The game has only been out for around 9 months.

Those numbers are ridiculous for ps4 exclusives. No way will spider man sell another 10 million on ps4, no way will TLOU make it to 25 million on ps4. TLOU 2 definitely won't get 25 million on ps4 alone. The other 2 are probably doubtful but might be possible.

Well, I do think 40+ Million is possible for both, but that would require some extreme circumstances, like Switch continuing to sell software at unprecedented rates in 2021, 2022, and beyond, no MK9, a dry spell in terms of releases, etc.

If you expect another 20+ Million for AC, why wouldn't BoTW2 or Mario, franchises that have traditionally outsold the AC franchise, not outsell it in its first year? 

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 09 December 2020

PotentHerbs said:
pikashoe said:

In all likelihood he is right, that it'll end up between 40 and 50 million. I think most would agree that it'll hit 40 million. It's one of the few games Nintendo pushes bundles for. As for animal crossing that doesn't seem to crazy, the game will most likely be over 30 million by the end of the year, which is just a huge amount to get in such a short period of time. The game has only been out for around 9 months.

Those numbers are ridiculous for ps4 exclusives. No way will spider man sell another 10 million on ps4, no way will TLOU make it to 25 million on ps4. TLOU 2 definitely won't get 25 million on ps4 alone. The other 2 are probably doubtful but might be possible.

Well, I do think 40+ Million is possible for both, but that would require some extreme circumstances, like Switch continuing to sell software at unprecedented rates in 2021, 2022, and beyond, no MK9, a dry spell in terms of releases, etc.

How. Both of these games will be over 30 million by the end of the year. How is it so difficult to believe that over the next 3 years or so they will manage to sell another 10 million? Sales would have to die off completely for them not to make it, both of these franchises are known for having legs. You believe that spiderman will sell at least another 5 million on a dead console when it's been replaced with a remaster. You are completely over estimating ps4 games and under estimating switch games.

You know the difference between 30 and 40 is 10 not 20. Zelda hasn't traditionally outsold animal crossing. The best selling animal crossing games have sold pretty close to 3d mario games. I don't get what you are trying to say here. Are you trying to say that Zelda and Mario will outsell animal crossing? 

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pikashoe said:

How. Both of these games will be over 30 million by the end of the year. How is it so difficult to believe that over the next 3 years or so they will manage to sell another 10 million? Sales would have to die off completely for them not to make it, both of these franchises are known for having legs. You believe that spiderman will sell at least another 5 million on a dead console when it's been replaced with a remaster. You are completely over estimating ps4 games and under estimating switch games.

I was talking more about MK8 in that instance, I should have made that more clear, but why are you so sure the Switch isn't going to get a MK entry? MK9 would absolutely derail MK8 legs. As for Animal Crossing, I thought you meant it would sell over 50 Million lifetime, and as well as it sold, I don't think that's on the table. Otherwise, the next big releases from Nintendo should see a similar sales trajectory.

You keep telling me the PS4 is a dead console like a 115+ Million userbase is going to completely abandon it. Will GoT and TLOU: Part II stop selling because the PS5 is out? Why did Spiderman chart in November on the PSN PS4 charts if the PS5 remaster already replaced it? 

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 09 December 2020

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PotentHerbs said:
pikashoe said:

How. Both of these games will be over 30 million by the end of the year. How is it so difficult to believe that over the next 3 years or so they will manage to sell another 10 million? Sales would have to die off completely for them not to make it, both of these franchises are known for having legs. You believe that spiderman will sell at least another 5 million on a dead console when it's been replaced with a remaster. You are completely over estimating ps4 games and under estimating switch games.

I was talking more about MK8 in that instance, I should have made that more clear, but why are you so sure the Switch isn't going to get a MK entry? MK9 would absolutely derail MK8 legs.

You keep telling me the PS4 is a dead console like a 115+ Million userbase is going to completely abandon it. Will GoT and TLOU: Part II stop selling because the PS5 is out? Why did Spiderman chart in November on the PSN PS4 charts if the PS5 remaster already replaced it? 

Why would they want to derail sales of Mario kart 8? They likely want MK8 to sell as much as possible before replacing it. Just because AC is selling well doesn't mean anything for any other Nintendo titles. It doesnt mean they will sell similar numbers. 3d mario usually outsells Zelda by a large margin but botw is outselling Mario odyssey.

They'll sell a bit next year and then get remastered for the ps5. Spider man was on sale in November and had a sequel release. The ps5 is hard to get currently. It'll die off next year.

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pikashoe said:

Why would they want to derail sales of Mario kart 8? They likely want MK8 to sell as much as possible before replacing it. Just because AC is selling well doesn't mean anything for any other Nintendo titles. It doesnt mean they will sell similar numbers. 3d mario usually outsells Zelda by a large margin but botw is outselling Mario odyssey.

They'll sell a bit next year and then get remastered for the ps5. Spider man was on sale in November and had a sequel release. The ps5 is hard to get currently. It'll die off next year.

They can release MK9 in 2022, which might coincide with the rumored 4K Switch, allowing MK8 to get another year of sales. MK9 would also make a lot more money for Nintendo than MK8 currently can.

If someone expects 50+ Million lifetime for AC, essentially expecting 20+ Million sales in its second year and beyond, why would it be the only piece of Nintendo software that benefits? Similar to how Animal Crossing defied expectations, software spikes showed video games benefitting from a worldwide lockdown, so if Animal Crossing has legs that defy a traditional sales curve, it would not be exclusive, meaning the next big title from Nintendo would shatter records. 

How do you know everyone wants to buy the PS5 version of Spiderman? Speaking for myself, I haven't bought/played Spiderman yet, and its not a game I'd wait to play on the PS5, rather its something I'd pick up for the right price. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. SM charted in November despite Miles Morales release. Not to mention Spiderman will have sales next year too, its not a one time thing. Don't forget that the PS5 version of SM is not even available to purchase as a standalone title.



xPhenom08x said:
toru_bozu said:

So, what happened to Xbox and its 1st party titles? Where's the helping hand lol.

Does Xbox platforms reach that height of sales, playstation consoles do? Thats kind of the point I was making in the post, those 3rd parties sell consoles and Sony first party takes advantage. If Xbox platforms started selling 100 million, then maybe you would have a point. Obviousely 3rd party games cant push all consoles to 100 million plus. One of them is the loser and that is most of the time xbox, Halo doesnt get the 100 million install base playstation games get.

That's the thing. Didn't you originally said that, "Would Playstation as a platform be as big as it is without all of those 3rd party AAA titles?". So, why didn't it have the same affect on Xbox platform? Why it didn't reach that height of sales? Why only PS4? Xbox One also have AC, COD, FIFA, GTA and the big 3rd party AAA titles. But, why Xbox One "is the loser" and not PS4? Ever thought the reason probably because people prefer with Sony 1st party/ time exclusive titles? That's why PS4 platform propel more than 100+ million consoles & the 1st party titles sold gangbusters, not solely because of 3rd party titles that helping them and carrying the load as you said. Even you agreed, "3rd party games can't push all consoles to 100 million plus.". That's why Xbox One could not become the console with 100+ million install base instead of PS4, because they lack in exclusive titles that attract and entice many gamers (one of the reasons).

So, I agreed with PotentHerbs opinion. It is not a pathetic excuse and not as delusional as you attacked him. It is what it is. Sony titles indeed have big competition from other massive franchises. But, Spider-Man or other Sony titles can sell on its own. Obviously, there are other factors as well. But, it doesn't take the impressiveness of Spider-Man sold unit. Anyway, carry on. I'm just an onlooker and bemused 🙂



PotentHerbs said:
pikashoe said:

Why would they want to derail sales of Mario kart 8? They likely want MK8 to sell as much as possible before replacing it. Just because AC is selling well doesn't mean anything for any other Nintendo titles. It doesnt mean they will sell similar numbers. 3d mario usually outsells Zelda by a large margin but botw is outselling Mario odyssey.

They'll sell a bit next year and then get remastered for the ps5. Spider man was on sale in November and had a sequel release. The ps5 is hard to get currently. It'll die off next year.

They can release MK9 in 2022, which might coincide with the rumored 4K Switch, allowing MK8 to get another year of sales. MK9 would also make a lot more money for Nintendo than MK8 currently can.

If someone expects 50+ Million lifetime for AC, essentially expecting 20+ Million sales in its second year and beyond, why would it be the only piece of Nintendo software that benefits? Similar to how Animal Crossing defied expectations, software spikes showed video games benefitting from a worldwide lockdown, so if Animal Crossing has legs that defy a traditional sales curve, it would not be exclusive, meaning the next big title from Nintendo would shatter records. 

How do you know everyone wants to buy the PS5 version of Spiderman? Speaking for myself, I haven't bought/played Spiderman yet, and its not a game I'd wait to play on the PS5, rather its something I'd pick up for the right price. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. SM charted in November despite Miles Morales release. Not to mention Spiderman will have sales next year too, its not a one time thing. Don't forget that the PS5 version of SM is not even available to purchase as a standalone title.

I give up, you are completely unwilling to see sense here. 

The new switch is rumoured for early next year, not 2022. It is unlikely that a new MK is coming out soon because MK 9 would likely not reach its full sales potential on switch, 8 and 9 would hurt each other.

First of all I never said AC will sell 50 million. I don't get the logic here, why does AC selling insanely well mean other games will as well. Here's an example, on the Wii MK sold way beyond what any MK had ever sold before, but Zelda sales didn't change and 3d mario didn't see any boost. Just because AC performs well doesn't mean anything for any other game. 30 million sales can't be just attributed to covid boost. If that were the case then all other new releases this year should have sold way more then they have.

Spiderman charted in November because miles morales released not despite. This is common that sequels boost the previous game for a couple of weeks. It happened with TLOU, it happened with new leaf. Typically software sales take a massive hit after a new console releases. Stuff like TLOU 2, GoT and cyberpunk will sell alright for awhile because they are new games.



toru_bozu said:
xPhenom08x said:

Does Xbox platforms reach that height of sales, playstation consoles do? Thats kind of the point I was making in the post, those 3rd parties sell consoles and Sony first party takes advantage. If Xbox platforms started selling 100 million, then maybe you would have a point. Obviousely 3rd party games cant push all consoles to 100 million plus. One of them is the loser and that is most of the time xbox, Halo doesnt get the 100 million install base playstation games get.

That's the thing. Didn't you originally said that, "Would Playstation as a platform be as big as it is without all of those 3rd party AAA titles?". So, why didn't it have the same affect on Xbox platform? Why it didn't reach that height of sales? Why only PS4? Xbox One also have AC, COD, FIFA, GTA and the big 3rd party AAA titles. But, why Xbox One "is the loser" and not PS4? Ever thought the reason probably because people prefer with Sony 1st party/ time exclusive titles? That's why PS4 platform propel more than 100+ million consoles & the 1st party titles sold gangbusters, not solely because of 3rd party titles that helping them and carrying the load as you said. Even you agreed, "3rd party games can't push all consoles to 100 million plus.". That's why Xbox One could not become the console with 100+ million install base instead of PS4, because they lack in exclusive titles that attract and entice many gamers (one of the reasons).

So, I agreed with PotentHerbs opinion. It is not a pathetic excuse and not as delusional as you attacked him. It is what it is. Sony titles indeed have big competition from other massive franchises. But, Spider-Man or other Sony titles can sell on its own. Obviously, there are other factors as well. But, it doesn't take the impressiveness of Spider-Man sold unit. Anyway, carry on. I'm just an onlooker and bemused 🙂

I think you aren't understanding what he said. He isn't saying that only 3rd party games sell Sony consoles. He is saying that they contribute to the hardware selling more. If you took gta, fifa, cod and other huge 3rd party games off of ps4 it is likely it would sell less. Which would mean that 1st party games have less people to sell to.