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KazumaKiryu said:

What are your predictions for "Spiderman Miles morales" this year?
Maybe 5 million units sold in 1.5 months?

If this spin-off of short duration do this it would be big, and good profits all around.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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NoCtiS_NoX said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Mario Kart Wii has sold 37m.  That is what total sales look like for a top tier Nintendo title.  PS4 is near the end of it's life.  Most software sales are accounted for.

Switch, on the other hand, hasn't even peaked yet.  This is likely the peak year for Switch, but we haven't even had holiday sales yet for Switch's peak year.  There are a lot of software sales still to come.  On top of that it's top title is already at 29m, and it is 3.5 years younger than the PS4.  If you want to make a comparison to Switch's current software numbers, then you should be comparing it to PS4 software levels from early 2017.  I believe Uncharted 4 sold around 9m at that time.  A fair comparision would be a 9m PS4 title to a 29m Switch title.  Sony titles do not sell at Nintendo levels.

Again, just because your college team is doing very well, that doesn't mean it's at pro level.  If you want to celebrate a PS4 game, then don't compare it to Nintendo.  You are embarrasing yourself when there is no need for it.

I just got back to check what's up and I saw this. lol
I am sorry for bumping the thread but I can't help myself. 

I remember the time when the goal post is 10-15M only so I guess we need to move the goal post.


"3.  This is not Sony's best first party performance.  Gran Turismo 3 sold 15m.  When they actually get a PS4 first party game to 15m, then we can talk.  They aren't there yet."

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8866180

Can we talk now? 

 

Ok, let's talk.  

Animal Crossing shipped 26.04m in three non-holiday quarters.  What is the most a Sony first party game shipped in three quarters?  You can even have one of those quarters include a holiday.  I'll be generous.

It's ok for you to be proud of your college team, but you do them a big disservice by comparing them to a pro team.  Sony's first party sales are the best they've ever been, but they still are nowhere near Nintendo's level.

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The_Liquid_Laser said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

I just got back to check what's up and I saw this. lol
I am sorry for bumping the thread but I can't help myself. 

I remember the time when the goal post is 10-15M only so I guess we need to move the goal post.


"3.  This is not Sony's best first party performance.  Gran Turismo 3 sold 15m.  When they actually get a PS4 first party game to 15m, then we can talk.  They aren't there yet."

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8866180

Can we talk now? 

 

Ok, let's talk.  

Animal Crossing shipped 26.04m in three non-holiday quarters.  What is the most a Sony first party game shipped in three quarters?  You can even have one of those quarters include a holiday.  I'll be generous.

It's ok for you to be proud of your college team, but you do them a big disservice by comparing them to a pro team.  Sony's first party sales are the best they've ever been, but they still are nowhere near Nintendo's level.

So going by yourpost while pretending you didn't move the goalpost not even Nintendo use to sells like Nintendo, or will you show that I don't know, over 10 games per gen published by Nintendo over the past 5 gens have shipped 26M in 3 quarters?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Ok, let's talk.  

Animal Crossing shipped 26.04m in three non-holiday quarters.  What is the most a Sony first party game shipped in three quarters?  You can even have one of those quarters include a holiday.  I'll be generous.

It's ok for you to be proud of your college team, but you do them a big disservice by comparing them to a pro team.  Sony's first party sales are the best they've ever been, but they still are nowhere near Nintendo's level.

So going by yourpost while pretending you didn't move the goalpost not even Nintendo use to sells like Nintendo, or will you show that I don't know, over 10 games per gen published by Nintendo over the past 5 gens have shipped 26M in 3 quarters?

There's really no point. The goalpost will be moved again when Spiderman hits 30+ Million lifetime with its remaster.

But even with this obscene standard, one that the majority of Nintendo IP won't reach without being on multiple platforms, than Astro's Playroom is on pace for 100+ Million lifetime since its a pre packed game like Wii Sports. 



That's amazing, congrats to Insomniac and Sony



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DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Ok, let's talk.  

Animal Crossing shipped 26.04m in three non-holiday quarters.  What is the most a Sony first party game shipped in three quarters?  You can even have one of those quarters include a holiday.  I'll be generous.

It's ok for you to be proud of your college team, but you do them a big disservice by comparing them to a pro team.  Sony's first party sales are the best they've ever been, but they still are nowhere near Nintendo's level.

So going by yourpost while pretending you didn't move the goalpost not even Nintendo use to sells like Nintendo, or will you show that I don't know, over 10 games per gen published by Nintendo over the past 5 gens have shipped 26M in 3 quarters?

He did say "yet" in that same post the other guy quoted, so clearly he expected Sony to eventually do it. Regardless, Nintendo unlike Sony has quite a few titles that have sold above 25 million to Sony's none. Nintendo doesn't need another to sell at Animal Crossing pace because they have proven multiple times 25, 30, or even 35 million aren't out of reach for them. Sony simply has improved greatly, no one is denying that but saying Ninty levels is a flat out lie because it ignores Nintendo is raising the bar not moving a goalpost lol. Hitting 15 million is cute but its pretty easy for one of these companies. Its a struggle for the other. We also arent saying the majority of Nintendo games sell like this lol, neither do the majority of Sony's titles sell 20, hell we dont even have proof Sony has done it without speculation. Nintendo's titles are confirmed lol, Sony's one confirmed needed a remaster. When Nintendo's top title got a remaster, 40 million now looks like childs play. Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will smash 50 million. Sony's needed a remaster to even touch 20, they are not on the same level because 20 million is no longer difficult for Nintendo. 



PotentHerbs said:
DonFerrari said:

So going by yourpost while pretending you didn't move the goalpost not even Nintendo use to sells like Nintendo, or will you show that I don't know, over 10 games per gen published by Nintendo over the past 5 gens have shipped 26M in 3 quarters?

There's really no point. The goalpost will be moved again when Spiderman hits 30+ Million lifetime with its remaster.

But even with this obscene standard, one that the majority of Nintendo IP won't reach without being on multiple platforms, than Astro's Playroom is on pace for 100+ Million lifetime since its a pre packed game like Wii Sports. 

That's not a goalpost, that is Nintendo raising the bar. Sony fans love to put a cap on things as if 30 million is where Nintendo titles stop. 30 million looks completely out of reach for Sony's games while I can name 3 from just Switch that will hit that and two will blow past it. Sony can't even hit 30 million without remasters, Nintendo top tier gets a remaster and 50 million looks well within reach. Mario Kart 8 along with its remaster is already at 37 million before the Switch preparing to post one of the largest holiday seasons in history lol. This standard is obscene because Ninty has hit a bar that Sony just can't clear. When they finally do, Ninty will raise it again. AC will hit 40 million without a remaster, Spiderman needs a remaster to even hit 30 milion. The majority statement makes no sense because the majority of Sony's titles wont hit 20. Funny enough, Im pretty sure Nintendo has more 30 million sellers than Sony has 20 million sellers. Thats sad and really does show, same league they are not. Sony has gotten better but so has Nintendo. The gap didn't close, both bars went up. 

Also Astro bot isn't pre packaged like Wii sports, its pre installed. Wii Sports can be resold because it is pre packaged. It actually cost me 25 bucks because I bought a Wii for my 6 year old( crazy how Wii really is ancient to her) and they don't sell them with Wiis. 



xPhenom08x said:

That's not a goalpost, that is Nintendo raising the bar. Sony fans love to put a cap on things as if 30 million is where Nintendo titles stop. 30 million looks completely out of reach for Sony's games while I can name 3 from just Switch that will hit that and two will blow past it. Sony can't even hit 30 million without remasters, Nintendo top tier gets a remaster and 50 million looks well within reach. Mario Kart 8 along with its remaster is already at 37 million before the Switch preparing to post one of the largest holiday seasons in history lol. This standard is obscene because Ninty has hit a bar that Sony just can't clear. When they finally do, Ninty will raise it again. AC will hit 40 million without a remaster, Spiderman needs a remaster to even hit 30 milion. The majority statement makes no sense because the majority of Sony's titles wont hit 20. Funny enough, Im pretty sure Nintendo has more 30 million sellers than Sony has 20 million sellers. Thats sad and really does show, same league they are not. Sony has gotten better but so has Nintendo. The gap didn't close, both bars went up. 

Also Astro bot isn't pre packaged like Wii sports, its pre installed. Wii Sports can be resold because it is pre packaged. It actually cost me 25 bucks because I bought a Wii for my 6 year old( crazy how Wii really is ancient to her) and they don't sell them with Wiis. 

How can you say 30+ Million is out of reach for Sony titles but then try and put a qualifier on Spiderman because it has a remaster. Are you going to have that same qualifier for MK8? How about mentioning the fact that MK8 has been out since 2014 on the WiiU compared to SM releasing on the PS4 in 2018. Spiderman is one of the most popular franchises in the world, the game has reached 20+ Million two years since its launch, competing with massive franchises like RDR, COD, Fifa, Star Wars, as well as Sony's internal teams. Its legs aren't just going to drop off, even with the start of the new generation, the PS4 version could very well finish close to 25 - 30 Million, with the PS5 remaster selling an additional 10 - 15+ Million units. 

I wouldn't be so confident that Nintendo has more 30 Million sellers than Sony does 20 Million sellers, unless you're leaning on handheld sales. GoW, Uncharted 4, Horizon might end up with lifetime sales above 20 Million. GoW is already 20+ Million if the NY Times figure is accurate & so is TLOU if we include PS3 sales. TLOU Part II & GoT could end up clearing 20+ Million lifetime too. I don't see why these IP's can't grow even more during the PS5 generation. 

And yes, those standards are obscene, because the reality is most Nintendo titles aren't clearing 30+ Million lifetime. Why don't you tell me how some of Nintendo's biggest IP like BoTW, Smash, Mario Odyssey, Pokemon are doing in comparison to Animal Crossing? Looks like a lot of underwhelming performances using the bar you have Nintendo at. You're inflating the most successful Switch title, which benefitted from the extreme circumstances of this year & MK8 which is on multiple platforms, using it as a baseline for all of Nintendo's IP. Its a misleading comparison.

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PotentHerbs said:

How can you say 30+ Million is out of reach for Sony titles but then try and put a qualifier on Spiderman because it has a remaster. Are you going to have that same qualifier for MK8? How about mentioning the fact that MK8 has been out since 2014 on the WiiU compared to SM releasing on the PS4 in 2018. Spiderman is one of the most popular franchises in the world, the game has reached 20+ Million two years since its launch, competing with massive franchises like RDR, COD, Fifa, Star Wars, as well as Sony's internal teams. Its legs aren't just going to drop off, even with the start of the new generation, the PS4 version could very well finish close to 25 - 30 Million, with the PS5 remaster selling an additional 10 - 15+ Million units. 

I wouldn't be so confident that Nintendo has more 30 Million sellers than Sony does 20 Million sellers, unless you're leaning on handheld sales. GoW, Uncharted 4, Horizon might end up with lifetime sales above 20 Million. GoW is already 20+ Million if the NY Times figure is accurate & so is TLOU if we include PS3 sales. TLOU Part II & GoT could end up clearing 20+ Million lifetime too. I don't see why these IP's can't grow even more during the PS5 generation. 

And yes, those standards are obscene, because the reality is most Nintendo titles aren't clearing 30+ Million lifetime. Why don't you tell me how some of Nintendo's biggest IP like BoTW, Smash, Mario Odyssey, Pokemon are doing in comparison to Animal Crossing? Looks like a lot of underwhelming performances using the bar you have Nintendo at. You're inflating the most successful Switch title, which benefitted from the extreme circumstances of this year & MK8 which is on multiple platforms, using it as a baseline for all of Nintendo's IP. Its a misleading comparison.

I pointed out Spiderman needing a remaster because remasters clearly boost lifetime sales. Which I also mentioned Mario Kart 8 having a separate release but will blow past 30 without the Wiiu version, while Spiderman clearly will need that to do the same. Mario and Spiderman in gaming clearly aren't in the same league lol. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe released in 2017 and is well in route to 40 or 50 million without the WiiU version. Adding Wiiu version makes this look stupid. Point was Mario doesn't need its multiplatformal release, Spiderman does. I could careless if you add the remaster, just do the same for Mario and compare. 

Are you sure all of that competition doesn't help Spiderman more than it hurts? Sony fans love this pathetic excuse but never think of the alternative. Would Playstation as a platform be as big as it is without all of those 3rd party AAA titles? Does all of that not allow Spiderman to sell to a bigger base, which it wouldn't have if those 3rd party games weren't selling millions of consoles. Could Sony's first party might still sell 120 million consoles, allowing Spiderman to reach the heights it does reach? We will never see the day Sony has to support their own platform, so lets drop the bullshit competition nonsense. Spiderman would probably sell less than 5 million if Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto wasn't too busy selling consoles better. So maybe Sony's first party games should be more grateful 3rd parties help them carry the load.

Leaning on handheld sales? Every Sony fan excuse rolled into one post lol. Why should Nintendo's handheld success not count? If selling handhelds was so easy, then Sony wouldn't have failed twice. Nintendo has multiple games sitting over 20 million on their handhelds while Sony has none, doesn't sound easy. Funny enough is all of that was pure speculation bullshit, yet you want to mention someone inflating something lol. Since we are just pulling figures out our ass, will Switch alone top what you just mentioned? Lets see, you said TLOU, TLOU II, Spiderman, Uncharted 4, Horizon, GoW, and GoT. I have MK8 Deluxe, Mario Ody, AC, BOTW, BOTW II, Smash, and Poke S&S. Sony has 7 potential 20 million sellers and only 1 of them even confirmed lol. Nintendo has 7 potential 30 million sellers on only Switch, 2 are already confirmed and will make 30 million look like childs play. Unlike Sony, Nintendo has no cap. Nintendo will have 50 million sellers, leagues higher than just 30 lol, while Sony currently hopes to even hit 25. Mario Kart and AC will probably challenge Sonys top 5 lmao. Atleast 100 million between the two, that will challenge Spidey (30), Uncharted 4 (25), TLOU (25), GoW (25), TLOU II (25). Those are good figures dude, but they seriously don't compare to Nintendo. Sony's franchises will grow but so will Nintendo or are you just to bitter to accept that?

I don't understand your constant mentioning of most Nintendo games dont sell 30 million? Neither do most Sony games sell 20. Those games don't have to sell as well as AC, Nintendo already has a title on Switch that has still sold more and will challenge it lifetime(Mario Kart). Sony doesnt have shit on the level of AC and Mario Kart. I guess you are trying to disqualify them and say Sony is comparable to the rest? Spidey, Uncharted, TLOU, GoW, GoT, and Horizon are comparable to BOTW, Mario Ody, Smash, and Poke? Thats still a no lol and why should I even disqualify Mario Kart and AC? How about you stop being bitter and realize Nintendo games hit higher heights AND have a higher quantity of releases! Sony makes less games and reach lower heights, does that sound like they sell as many games? 

 

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xPhenom08x said:

I pointed out Spiderman needing a remaster because remasters clearly boost lifetime sales. Which I also mentioned Mario Kart 8 having a separate release but will blow past 30 without the Wiiu version, while Spiderman clearly will need that to do the same. Mario and Spiderman in gaming clearly aren't in the same league lol. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe released in 2017 and is well in route to 40 or 50 million without the WiiU version. Adding Wiiu version makes this look stupid. Point was Mario doesn't need its multiplatformal release, Spiderman does. I could careless if you add the remaster, just do the same for Mario and compare. 

Are you sure all of that competition doesn't help Spiderman more than it hurts? Sony fans love this pathetic excuse but never think of the alternative. Would Playstation as a platform be as big as it is without all of those 3rd party AAA titles? Does all of that not allow Spiderman to sell to a bigger base, which it wouldn't have if those 3rd party games weren't selling millions of consoles. Could Sony's first party might still sell 120 million consoles, allowing Spiderman to reach the heights it does reach? We will never see the day Sony has to support their own platform, so lets drop the bullshit competition nonsense. Spiderman would probably sell less than 5 million if Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto wasn't too busy selling consoles better. So maybe Sony's first party games should be more grateful 3rd parties help them carry the load.

Leaning on handheld sales? Every Sony fan excuse rolled into one post lol. Why should Nintendo's handheld success not count? If selling handhelds was so easy, then Sony wouldn't have failed twice. Nintendo has multiple games sitting over 20 million on their handhelds while Sony has none, doesn't sound easy. Funny enough is all of that was pure speculation bullshit, yet you want to mention someone inflating something lol. Since we are just pulling figures out our ass, will Switch alone top what you just mentioned? Lets see, you said TLOU, TLOU II, Spiderman, Uncharted 4, Horizon, GoW, and GoT. I have MK8 Deluxe, Mario Ody, AC, BOTW, BOTW II, Smash, and Poke S&S. Sony has 7 potential 20 million sellers and only 1 of them even confirmed lol. Nintendo has 7 potential 30 million sellers on only Switch, 2 are already confirmed and will make 30 million look like childs play. Unlike Sony, Nintendo has no cap. Nintendo will have 50 million sellers, leagues higher than just 30 lol, while Sony currently hopes to even hit 25. Mario Kart and AC will probably challenge Sonys top 5 lmao. Atleast 100 million between the two, that will challenge Spidey (30), Uncharted 4 (25), TLOU (25), GoW (25), TLOU II (25). Those are good figures dude, but they seriously don't compare to Nintendo. Sony's franchises will grow but so will Nintendo or are you just to bitter to accept that?

I don't understand your constant mentioning of most Nintendo games dont sell 30 million? Neither do most Sony games sell 20. Those games don't have to sell as well as AC, Nintendo already has a title on Switch that has still sold more and will challenge it lifetime(Mario Kart). Sony doesnt have shit on the level of AC and Mario Kart. I guess you are trying to disqualify them and say Sony is comparable to the rest? Spidey, Uncharted, TLOU, GoW, GoT, and Horizon are comparable to BOTW, Mario Ody, Smash, and Poke? Thats still a no lol and why should I even disqualify Mario Kart and AC? How about you stop being bitter and realize Nintendo games hit higher heights AND have a higher quantity of releases! Sony makes less games and reach lower heights, does that sound like they sell as many games? 

 

I'm sure 25+ Million sellers like GTA, RDR, 20+ Million sellers like COD, 10 - 15 Million sellers like Fifa & Star Wars don't eat into SIE software sales. /s

Hold on, you think MK8 is "well on route" to hit 40 - 50 Million on just the Switch, when it might not reach 30+ Million until 2022? Yeah, Mario Kart is not moving those kind of units, otherwise it would be well past 30 Million lifetime at this point in time. 50 Million is a pipedream unless Nintendo ports Mario Kart 8 for their next console. Again, I'm not sure why you think SM is capped at 20 Million lifetime, it can easily finish with 25 - 30+ Million. Its not like PS4 software is going to stop selling in 2021. Take TLOU, which sold 10+ Million units on the PS3, likely half of those sales coming after the PS4 launch. 

Why are you attributing Switch hardware sales to just Nintendo software sales? Switch being a hybrid console is a big factor. Look at the WiiU or even the Gamecube. It had many, major Nintendo IP, and still ended up as an absolute embarrassment. Even the novelty of the Wii was a bigger factor in moving units compared to Nintendo exclusives. Of course, Sony won't hit 120+ hardware sold without third party support, but Nintendo exclusives don't guarantee 100+ Million hardware sold either, they might not even guarantee 30+ Million units. I don't use handhelds in this comparison because its a completely different market (lower price of entry, lower priced games, different tech expectations, etc). What do you think happens if PS4 hardware and software prices follow the DS hardware and software prices? How about the other way around? 

You're downplaying the legs of PS4 games while giving the best case scenario for Switch titles. Mario, BoTW, BoTW2, Smash, Pokemon, are now all on pace for 30+ Million lifetime? Please. Nintendo IP making 30+ Million units sold look like child plays is just another pipedream. Most of those games will finish around 25 Million lifetime, BoTW and Mario aren't even at the 20+ Million mark yet. If you think the Switch will finish with two titles that sell 50+ Million units, its no wonder why you think Sony isn't close to Nintendo's level, since you're living in some kind of dreamland. How about you have a realistic assessment about Nintendo software sales before posting.

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 09 December 2020