Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

[The_Liquid_Laser]

NoCtiS_NoX said:

The_Liquid_Laser said:

I am not comparing Nintendo vs. Rockstar.  I am comparing Nintendo vs. Sony.  Most of those 90m copies do not help the PS4.  I am asking "how much does GTA V actually help the PS4?"  I think that is a fair question.  I am also saying that Sony's first party games do not stack up to the best third party games, like GTA V, on their own platform.

 GTA V has sold 18.2m on the PS4 (using VGC numbers).  That is a lot for a single platform.  It is far more than Uncharted 4, which is at 10m according to your first post.  It is also far above God of War, or Horizon Zero Dawn or PS4 version of The Last of Us.  GTA V is the PS4's flagship game.  

Now what about Nintendo?  Does Nintendo ever make games that can sell on this level on a single platform?  Yes, they do it quite frequently.  The 3DS has Pokemon X/Y 16.04m, a couple million shy of GTA V on PS4, but still far above any first party title on the PS4.  If we go back a generation, then we have quite a few games that sold extremely high: Mario Kart Wii (35.9m), Wii Sports Resort (32.9m), NSMB Wii (32.9m), Wii Fit (22.7m), NSMB DS (29.9m), Nintendogs (24.7), Mario Kart DS (23.3m), Brain Training (20.2m),  Pokemon DIamond/Pearl (18.3m).

And to be fair GTA V's best selling version was on the PS3 (20.3m).  I want to emphasize that I am not trying to criticize GTA V in any way.  It is a top tier game.  It is the best selling game on both PS3 and PS4.  No other game has helped these platforms as much as GTA V.  But when you break things down by single platform, then you see that Nintendo has made quite a few games on this same tier.  I would also put CoD Black Ops 3 (15.1m on PS4) in this top tier.  Top tier means they are the most important games for whatever platform they are on and that platform was successful (ideally the winner of the generation).  All the games I just listed are top tier.

Do you know what games are not top tier?  Sony first party games.  Sony's best game has hit 10m yet on the PS4, while all of these games I listed above have sold 15m+.  Sony first party games are good, but they are not top tier.  Sony's best selling first party game was Gran Tourismo 3 (15m on PS2).  Maybe it is top tier.  Not only has Nintendo made many games since then which have topped this amount, but Sony now struggles to even make a game that sells 10m.  Sony is just not on Nintendo's level.  Sony makes good games, but they don't make top tier games like GTA, or 2D Mario, or Pokemon, or CoD, or Mario Kart.

And it's ok for Sony to not make top tier games.  They rely on GTA and CoD to be their major tent poles.  That totally works for them and has made the PS4 very successful.  But Nintendo makes top tier games out of necessity.  When they don't make any top tier games they get results like the Gamecube or Wii U.  That is the way Nintendo has always sold their consoles.  Nintendo consoles always have their first party games be the major tent poles, with third party games supporting the library and filling in the gaps.  With Sony this is reversed.  Sony lets third parties make the biggest titles, and it uses its first party library give added support and fill in the gaps.  Sony's first party games are just not on the level of Nintendo's first party games, when you look at the successful consoles like 3DS or DS or Wii.  Because when they are on the same level you get a result like [PS2 vs. Gamecube] or [Wii U vs. PS4]. 

1.GTA V is a different beast that game is God Tier. I will highlight again how of a monster that game is. It already sold 20M on the PS3 according to you and then it sold another 18M at retail for the PS4.Since that is only retail and you compare a shipped number to a retail release and at the same time not counting DD sales then if you add that Shipped and DD sales it will destroy any games that NInty released in recent years. The fact that GTA V PS4 is still selling is and still Charting in NPD and UK sales is a a testament of how beastly GTA V is. When did GTA V was release again?

2. Did you missed Last of us for some reason? That game already sold 17M.  UC4 is still selling and the last number we have is sold thru meaning it's not shipped. Meaning 8.7 is at retail and after 2 years it could be at 11-12 M shipped and UC4 is not yet done selling. 

3. Then you might add GOW in the near future because that game is selling with Legs and this is the first time in History of Sony were they 1st party output is selling very well and that might continue with PS5. 

4. What you are trying to convey is not the point of the thread. I even mentioned that a lot of people didn't bought PS4 for Sony games. We are not here to pit Sony and Nintendo on  their games affect their console 
We are not here to discussed on how Sony game is affecting PS consoles  but if we are speaking for PS5 then that's a different discussion because that is the time we will see how Sony games affect it. 
We are here to talked about how the 4 games I mentioned are competing with games Ninty put out recently and how it is at Nintendo level of sales.

 

I'll address these points in reverse order.

4. You put "at Ninty Level" in the title of this thread.  This means you are comparing Sony first party to Nintendo first party.  They are not on the same level.  I am trying to show you what is "at Ninty level".  Perhaps you don't realize how big Ninty first party actually is?  All of the games you mentioned in your first post are what I would call "second tier".  Zelda and 3D Mario are also second tier.  If you want to compare those Sony games to Zelda and 3D Mario then that is fine.  But Nintendo has much bigger first party games than that like Pokemon, 2D Mario and Mario Kart.

3.  This is not Sony's best first party performance.  Gran Turismo 3 sold 15m.  When they actually get a PS4 first party game to 15m, then we can talk.  They aren't there yet.

1&2. A) I didn't mean to compare shipped with sold through.  In the rest of our discussion I will just stick with VGC numbers to compare likes with likes.  However even when the data is adjusted none of the points I've made are nullified.

1&2 b)  GTA V is not a different beast of a game.  It has sold 90m+ plus copies, because its on many platforms.  Minecraft has even sold 100m+ copies.  Do you think it could do that on one platform?  No way in hell!  A fair comparison is single platform to single platform, or even two platform totals to two platform totals.  Comparing sales on one platform to another game on 5+ platforms is not a fair comparison.

So lets compare two platform totals then.  (I know you realize that all of these numbers are going to be bigger, because they are the sum of two platforms.)

GTAV (PS3) + GTAV (PS4) = 20.3m + 18.2m = 38.5m
Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB) + Pokeom Heartgold/Soulsilver (DS) = 23.1m + 11.8m = 34.9m

Look, both of these games have sold in the 30m - 40m range on two platforms.  GTA V is even better.  Good for it!  But selling 30m - 40m on two platforms is very big deal, so I would put both of these games in the same top tier.  Do you know what game doesn't belong in this tier?  The Last of Us.

TLoU (PS3) + TLoU (PS4) = 6.3m + 6.3m = 12.6m  (using VGC numbers)

Wow, that is not even close to either Pokemon or GTA V.  TLoU is not "at Ninty level".  Sony knows this!  Sony doesn't even expect their first party games to be "at Ninty level".  This is why I am mentioning GTA V.  Sony expects games like GTA V to sell "at Ninty level".  GTA V is Sony's heaviest hitter, right?  When you compare GTA V on a single platform then you see it sells like a Pokemon or Mario Kart or 2D Mario game.  Those are Nintendo's heaviest hitters. 

Instead Sony first party is more like Nintendo second tier: Zelda, 3D Mario, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, etc....  If you are saying that Sony first party is like Nintendo's second tier, then I agree.  But Sony's top first party games are NOT at the same level as Nintendo's top first party games.  Sony first party is not really "at Ninty level".  Because when you actually compare likes to likes, then you realize that "Ninty level" is the same as "GTA level".  Gran Theft Auto: San Andreas sold 20.8m, another top tier game.  Gran Theft Auto can sell 20m+ on a single platform.  That's really impressive.  But Nintendo has had many games that have sold 20m+ on a single platform.  That is why GTA level is on the same as tier as "Ninty level".  Sony first party is not on this level.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 13 August 2018