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xPhenom08x said:

That's not a goalpost, that is Nintendo raising the bar. Sony fans love to put a cap on things as if 30 million is where Nintendo titles stop. 30 million looks completely out of reach for Sony's games while I can name 3 from just Switch that will hit that and two will blow past it. Sony can't even hit 30 million without remasters, Nintendo top tier gets a remaster and 50 million looks well within reach. Mario Kart 8 along with its remaster is already at 37 million before the Switch preparing to post one of the largest holiday seasons in history lol. This standard is obscene because Ninty has hit a bar that Sony just can't clear. When they finally do, Ninty will raise it again. AC will hit 40 million without a remaster, Spiderman needs a remaster to even hit 30 milion. The majority statement makes no sense because the majority of Sony's titles wont hit 20. Funny enough, Im pretty sure Nintendo has more 30 million sellers than Sony has 20 million sellers. Thats sad and really does show, same league they are not. Sony has gotten better but so has Nintendo. The gap didn't close, both bars went up. 

Also Astro bot isn't pre packaged like Wii sports, its pre installed. Wii Sports can be resold because it is pre packaged. It actually cost me 25 bucks because I bought a Wii for my 6 year old( crazy how Wii really is ancient to her) and they don't sell them with Wiis. 

How can you say 30+ Million is out of reach for Sony titles but then try and put a qualifier on Spiderman because it has a remaster. Are you going to have that same qualifier for MK8? How about mentioning the fact that MK8 has been out since 2014 on the WiiU compared to SM releasing on the PS4 in 2018. Spiderman is one of the most popular franchises in the world, the game has reached 20+ Million two years since its launch, competing with massive franchises like RDR, COD, Fifa, Star Wars, as well as Sony's internal teams. Its legs aren't just going to drop off, even with the start of the new generation, the PS4 version could very well finish close to 25 - 30 Million, with the PS5 remaster selling an additional 10 - 15+ Million units. 

I wouldn't be so confident that Nintendo has more 30 Million sellers than Sony does 20 Million sellers, unless you're leaning on handheld sales. GoW, Uncharted 4, Horizon might end up with lifetime sales above 20 Million. GoW is already 20+ Million if the NY Times figure is accurate & so is TLOU if we include PS3 sales. TLOU Part II & GoT could end up clearing 20+ Million lifetime too. I don't see why these IP's can't grow even more during the PS5 generation. 

And yes, those standards are obscene, because the reality is most Nintendo titles aren't clearing 30+ Million lifetime. Why don't you tell me how some of Nintendo's biggest IP like BoTW, Smash, Mario Odyssey, Pokemon are doing in comparison to Animal Crossing? Looks like a lot of underwhelming performances using the bar you have Nintendo at. You're inflating the most successful Switch title, which benefitted from the extreme circumstances of this year & MK8 which is on multiple platforms, using it as a baseline for all of Nintendo's IP. Its a misleading comparison.

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 08 December 2020