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xPhenom08x said:

I pointed out Spiderman needing a remaster because remasters clearly boost lifetime sales. Which I also mentioned Mario Kart 8 having a separate release but will blow past 30 without the Wiiu version, while Spiderman clearly will need that to do the same. Mario and Spiderman in gaming clearly aren't in the same league lol. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe released in 2017 and is well in route to 40 or 50 million without the WiiU version. Adding Wiiu version makes this look stupid. Point was Mario doesn't need its multiplatformal release, Spiderman does. I could careless if you add the remaster, just do the same for Mario and compare. 

Are you sure all of that competition doesn't help Spiderman more than it hurts? Sony fans love this pathetic excuse but never think of the alternative. Would Playstation as a platform be as big as it is without all of those 3rd party AAA titles? Does all of that not allow Spiderman to sell to a bigger base, which it wouldn't have if those 3rd party games weren't selling millions of consoles. Could Sony's first party might still sell 120 million consoles, allowing Spiderman to reach the heights it does reach? We will never see the day Sony has to support their own platform, so lets drop the bullshit competition nonsense. Spiderman would probably sell less than 5 million if Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto wasn't too busy selling consoles better. So maybe Sony's first party games should be more grateful 3rd parties help them carry the load.

Leaning on handheld sales? Every Sony fan excuse rolled into one post lol. Why should Nintendo's handheld success not count? If selling handhelds was so easy, then Sony wouldn't have failed twice. Nintendo has multiple games sitting over 20 million on their handhelds while Sony has none, doesn't sound easy. Funny enough is all of that was pure speculation bullshit, yet you want to mention someone inflating something lol. Since we are just pulling figures out our ass, will Switch alone top what you just mentioned? Lets see, you said TLOU, TLOU II, Spiderman, Uncharted 4, Horizon, GoW, and GoT. I have MK8 Deluxe, Mario Ody, AC, BOTW, BOTW II, Smash, and Poke S&S. Sony has 7 potential 20 million sellers and only 1 of them even confirmed lol. Nintendo has 7 potential 30 million sellers on only Switch, 2 are already confirmed and will make 30 million look like childs play. Unlike Sony, Nintendo has no cap. Nintendo will have 50 million sellers, leagues higher than just 30 lol, while Sony currently hopes to even hit 25. Mario Kart and AC will probably challenge Sonys top 5 lmao. Atleast 100 million between the two, that will challenge Spidey (30), Uncharted 4 (25), TLOU (25), GoW (25), TLOU II (25). Those are good figures dude, but they seriously don't compare to Nintendo. Sony's franchises will grow but so will Nintendo or are you just to bitter to accept that?

I don't understand your constant mentioning of most Nintendo games dont sell 30 million? Neither do most Sony games sell 20. Those games don't have to sell as well as AC, Nintendo already has a title on Switch that has still sold more and will challenge it lifetime(Mario Kart). Sony doesnt have shit on the level of AC and Mario Kart. I guess you are trying to disqualify them and say Sony is comparable to the rest? Spidey, Uncharted, TLOU, GoW, GoT, and Horizon are comparable to BOTW, Mario Ody, Smash, and Poke? Thats still a no lol and why should I even disqualify Mario Kart and AC? How about you stop being bitter and realize Nintendo games hit higher heights AND have a higher quantity of releases! Sony makes less games and reach lower heights, does that sound like they sell as many games? 


I'm sure 25+ Million sellers like GTA, RDR, 20+ Million sellers like COD, 10 - 15 Million sellers like Fifa & Star Wars don't eat into SIE software sales. /s

Hold on, you think MK8 is "well on route" to hit 40 - 50 Million on just the Switch, when it might not reach 30+ Million until 2022? Yeah, Mario Kart is not moving those kind of units, otherwise it would be well past 30 Million lifetime at this point in time. 50 Million is a pipedream unless Nintendo ports Mario Kart 8 for their next console. Again, I'm not sure why you think SM is capped at 20 Million lifetime, it can easily finish with 25 - 30+ Million. Its not like PS4 software is going to stop selling in 2021. Take TLOU, which sold 10+ Million units on the PS3, likely half of those sales coming after the PS4 launch. 

Why are you attributing Switch hardware sales to just Nintendo software sales? Switch being a hybrid console is a big factor. Look at the WiiU or even the Gamecube. It had many, major Nintendo IP, and still ended up as an absolute embarrassment. Even the novelty of the Wii was a bigger factor in moving units compared to Nintendo exclusives. Of course, Sony won't hit 120+ hardware sold without third party support, but Nintendo exclusives don't guarantee 100+ Million hardware sold either, they might not even guarantee 30+ Million units. I don't use handhelds in this comparison because its a completely different market (lower price of entry, lower priced games, different tech expectations, etc). What do you think happens if PS4 hardware and software prices follow the DS hardware and software prices? How about the other way around? 

You're downplaying the legs of PS4 games while giving the best case scenario for Switch titles. Mario, BoTW, BoTW2, Smash, Pokemon, are now all on pace for 30+ Million lifetime? Please. Nintendo IP making 30+ Million units sold look like child plays is just another pipedream. Most of those games will finish around 25 Million lifetime, BoTW and Mario aren't even at the 20+ Million mark yet. If you think the Switch will finish with two titles that sell 50+ Million units, its no wonder why you think Sony isn't close to Nintendo's level, since you're living in some kind of dreamland. How about you have a realistic assessment about Nintendo software sales before posting.

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 09 December 2020