Phil is changing what Sony fans didn’t like about Microsoft. Now they are hating him.
Seems illogical? It is.
Imagine not having GamePass on your console...
| JRPGfan said: “Is it possible to recoup a $7.5 billion investment if you don’t sell Elder Scrolls VI on the PlayStation?” I asked. |
With the right amount of GamePass members, GP could make Billions per year, they already have 15m paid users per month. If they get 30m to 50m paid GP members than the money will just continue to roll in.
chakkra said:
But I don't understand why his speech bothers you this much; I mean, these companies give us half-truths, PR statements, and outright lies all the time, all of them. Nintendo once said that Switch was not meant to replace the Wii U and 3DS, but instead coexist with them (I have no idea why they felt the need to say that, but they did). Ryan recently said that all PS5 games were going to be exclusives bcuz they believed in generations and all that jazz. And now you have MS with the "When everybody plays, we all win" PR bs. It's the nature of business. We all should've been used to it by now; you just have to learn to read between the lines. |
It is more on the consistence of Phil Spencer statements that are half truths, empty responses always trying to pose as the nice guy that get applauded instead of scrutinized. He does it all the time.
I remember Ryan saying they believed in generations and that PS5 games would harness the power of the console, but don't remember he saying any timeframe that all games released would be exclusives, perhaps that was just interpretation on his not defining (and it was heavily criticized when some of the PS5 games were informed to be PS4 releases as well, with Horizon being the most criticized one).
Like you are accepting Phil was being vague and not really truthful (as is common with PR), but if you see some of the other replies I got, they were basically defending Phil as he is always telling the truth.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
How i have read this thread seeing as Phils balls aren't dipped in playstationhoney his vagueness isn't allowed...
meanwhile Sony is doing a Rockstar and that is A-OKEY
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besides the games aren't exclusives REMEMBER? LMAO
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DonFerrari said:
Defending his decision to buy the studio and even make it exclusive is plenty fine. To defend his fake speaches is something else.
Sure, still that doesn't make his statement true.
They have signed deal, would be complicated to just default the deal of the company they are purchasing. Usually the contracts forbid this type of thing.
Won't even take the energy to reply to you. |
Be aware that there is a very clear line between "support" and "native support" and supporting Xbox games on other platforms doesn't mean they need to let the platform owner decide or get any benefits from it.
It still can be on your system, if the system owner does as Microsoft says. That definitely counts. It's essentially MS version of Epic's "no App Store Fortnite for you!" for those who are interested. There will be MS support for other platforms, but MS is going to be raking in all the money from that alongside devs. No middlemen accepted.
| vivster said: I feel bad for anyone who buys the Series S expecting next gen gaming. |
Just like anyone that bought a Switch should expect any good games? How could a console with such limited hardware ever have anything worth playing?
The amount of power needed to reach 4k/60fps means that Xbox Series S won't hold back Next-gen games at 1080P. All of the recent port to Switch should be an example of the scalability of games. Besides, The Xbox Series S will have VRR, SSD, and a powerful CPU the console will run games just fine.
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DonFerrari said:
It is more on the consistence of Phil Spencer statements that are half truths, empty responses always trying to pose as the nice guy that get applauded instead of scrutinized. He does it all the time. I remember Ryan saying they believed in generations and that PS5 games would harness the power of the console, but don't remember he saying any timeframe that all games released would be exclusives, perhaps that was just interpretation on his not defining (and it was heavily criticized when some of the PS5 games were informed to be PS4 releases as well, with Horizon being the most criticized one). Like you are accepting Phil was being vague and not really truthful (as is common with PR), but if you see some of the other replies I got, they were basically defending Phil as he is always telling the truth. |
In the end I respect that he’s talkative. There is no Xbox radio silence on community concerns. And if he can’t say a direct answer, he knows exactly what he is allowed to say.
By comparison I see you defending Jim Ryan for being openly misleading with “believing in generations” while official marketing conveniently leaving out platform availability when Spiderman MM and Horizon were announced. Nm they were silent for months in other topics like BC functionality and official teardown (when to expect).
Point being ill personally defend Phil because his approach is better then being silent and ultimately letting your community down due to lack of transparency. He ain’t perfect but he’s the best kind of PR among the big 3.
Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.
sales2099 said:
In the end I respect that he’s talkative. There is no Xbox radio silence on community concerns. And if he can’t say a direct answer, he knows exactly what he is allowed to say. By comparison I see you defending Jim Ryan for being openly misleading with “believing in generations” while official marketing conveniently leaving out platform availability when Spiderman MM and Horizon were announced. Nm they were silent for months in other topics like BC functionality and official teardown (when to expect). Point being ill personally defend Phil because his approach is better then being silent and ultimately letting your community down due to lack of transparency. He ain’t perfect but he’s the best kind of PR among the big 3. |
I know you like Phil.
Nope, didn't defend Jim, I said what I remembered he saying. Don't remember he promising all games made for PS5 would be exclusive or any timeframe, just saying he believes in gen. But let me check.
"We have always said that we believe in generations.We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features. We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."
Please point out where does that say anything about any game (or all games) being exclusive to Playstation 5? Even more when we know for a fact that MLB will be releasing even for Switch and Xbox. If you can point to any interview where he said all games after PS5 release would be PS5 exclusives I'll gladly say he was lying.
On Sony being silent. They have talked very little this year. They have made their events but have rarely said anything outside of it, and it have been effective. So you may not like, but it is working.
And you associating talking more to being more transparent is funny since you are defending Phil distorting the reality to make himself look good as some form of transparency.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
I thought everyone had good PCs, rendering Xbox completely useless. Why does everyone care if PS have Bethesda games? Can't they just play or their high-end PCs?
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