Forums - Sales Discussion - I explain why the Nintendo Switch and Nintendo consoles in general will always exceed the sales of PlayStation in general

Manlytears said:

why the @$#$3% some people here are comparing PS4 vs Switch? The generations for "the big three" are:

Dreamcast vs PS2 Vs Game cube Vs xbox > Ps2 won.
Ps3 vs Wii vs X360 > Wii won.
Ps4 Vs WiiU vs X1 > PS4 won.

You guys need to stop acting like wii U is "inexistent"... just adimit, Ps4 won the generation.

The Switch and Ps4 still existed at the same time on the market, its still comparable at least in my eyes



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Ryng said:
mZuzek said:

Switch hasn't and won't beat PS4.

Dude, WHAT?

mZuzek said:

Nothing is impossible, you can't know what'll happen in the future. Surely no one imagined Wii sales would decline like they did. Not saying the Switch will fall off a cliff like that, I don't think it will, but it is definitely possible that sales will slow down enough for it to not reach the PS4. With Sony consoles, all of them have had pretty similar sales curves, so it's easier to make a prediction based on those, but Nintendo consoles aren't as consistent. The handhelds are, I suppose, but it remains to be seen if a hybrid console like the Switch can continue selling for years when up against renewed competition. This is pretty much an unprecedented situation in the console market.

ok, you have some good points there, hell i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that Switch could MAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE sell less than the PS4, but i mean... that's like, super unlikely.

Just look at facts and current trends. "no one know what's gonna happen with Switch" ok but like it's selling at Wii/NDS level of peak 2008/2009, AND IT HAS SHORTAGES, which mean domand is actually higher than the numbers we are seeing right now.

Of course using some logic someone would expect Switch sales to stay very stong for a while. and considering that this year is pretty much safe to say Switch should end at around 80 million (probabily more than that but i'll make a safe bet), Switch only need another strong year to pretty much be guaranteed to outsell the PS4.

Unless you expect PS4 sales to better than expected and reach something like 140 million but this seem kinda crazy at this point, Sony looks like is giving up with PS4 production and focus on PS5. Even 130 million seem extremely hard.

I mean, again, nothing is impossible but at this point i'd give PS4 <10% chances of winning against Switch, and i'll be extremely surprised if this happen.

EDIT: For the record, i think Switch will do over 150 million... so even with the best scenario for PS4 i'd still predict Switch>PS4

Sure, the Switch can do it, I just don't think it will. Think 2020 is the peak year, it'll still be going strong next year, and then sales will start declining fast, but maybe I'm wrong in thinking that. It just seems to be the rule for Nintendo home consoles, but yeah, the Switch isn't really that. Kinda get the feeling that we'll get another Mario, BotW 2, and after those two we're not gonna get more major hardware-moving games.

I'm also thinking the PS5 will have a slow start, meaning the PS4 will continue to sell well for at least another year or two.



Microsoft finished ahead of Sony (almost) 1 out of 3 times with Xbox 360.
If Microsoft continues to do very good marketing like they did with the Windows 95, then Microsoft consoles will always be above PlayStation in terms of sales.



As long as Nintendo keeps doing hybrid consoles, and focus on their own software (ignore AAA studios), they will outsell any Sony hardware for the foreseeable future.



It's better to be specific than to talk "in general".

Specifically, Sony won 75% of the time vs. Nintendo in the home console market.
PS1 vs. N64
PS2 vs. GCN
PS3 vs. Wii
PS4 vs. Wii U

Nintendo won 100% of the time vs. Sony in the handheld console market.  In fact, these victories were so devastating that it forced Sony out of the market permanently.
DS vs. PSP
3DS vs. Vita


Now we have a Nintendo handheld (hybrid) vs. a Sony home console: Switch vs. PS5.  It may seem that this is going to be tough competition, but it really isn't.  Switch can appeal to both portable gamers and home gamers.  PS5 can only appeal to home gamers.  Switch can attack Playstation's market, but Playstation cannot attack Switch's market.  It isn't a fair fight.  Also, we already know that Switch is successful.  PS5 really has no choice but to lose customers to the Switch.

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Manlytears said:

why the @$#$3% some people here are comparing PS4 vs Switch? The generations for "the big three" are:

Dreamcast vs PS2 Vs Game cube Vs xbox > Ps2 won.
Ps3 vs Wii vs X360 > Wii won.
Ps4 Vs WiiU vs X1 > PS4 won.

You guys need to stop acting like wii U is "inexistent"... just adimit, Ps4 won the generation.

It's funny when Playstation diehards like you used to consider Switch as 8th Gen (some even ridiculed it belonging to 7th Gen) because it was "UNDERPOWERED". And now that the Switch is on track to beat PS4 on the finish line, you now regard the Switch being in the 9th Gen so that PS4 will safely secure the 8th Gen Championship Belt

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Manlytears said:

why the @$#$3% some people here are comparing PS4 vs Switch? The generations for "the big three" are:

Dreamcast vs PS2 Vs Game cube Vs xbox > Ps2 won.
Ps3 vs Wii vs X360 > Wii won.
Ps4 Vs WiiU vs X1 > PS4 won.

You guys need to stop acting like wii U is "inexistent"... just adimit, Ps4 won the generation.

The switch is quite impressive. Gen 1, 7, 8, 9 - it can do it all.  It's power level is around 7(slightly more?)

It released around 8. But because the wii U bombed it is 9. Oh and its the first "real" handheld and console so gen 1.

But I never considered that people are arguing the switch is "beating" the ps4 but also possibly arguing it is gen 9. 



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Switch will finish in the 110 million range going by how Nintendo systems usually go out with a whimper in software support and Sony systems go out with a boom. PS4 probably finished close to 130 maybe a little more.



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mZuzek said:
Ryng said:

Dude, WHAT?

ok, you have some good points there, hell i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that Switch could MAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE sell less than the PS4, but i mean... that's like, super unlikely.

Just look at facts and current trends. "no one know what's gonna happen with Switch" ok but like it's selling at Wii/NDS level of peak 2008/2009, AND IT HAS SHORTAGES, which mean domand is actually higher than the numbers we are seeing right now.

Of course using some logic someone would expect Switch sales to stay very stong for a while. and considering that this year is pretty much safe to say Switch should end at around 80 million (probabily more than that but i'll make a safe bet), Switch only need another strong year to pretty much be guaranteed to outsell the PS4.

Unless you expect PS4 sales to better than expected and reach something like 140 million but this seem kinda crazy at this point, Sony looks like is giving up with PS4 production and focus on PS5. Even 130 million seem extremely hard.

I mean, again, nothing is impossible but at this point i'd give PS4 <10% chances of winning against Switch, and i'll be extremely surprised if this happen.

EDIT: For the record, i think Switch will do over 150 million... so even with the best scenario for PS4 i'd still predict Switch>PS4

Sure, the Switch can do it, I just don't think it will. Think 2020 is the peak year, it'll still be going strong next year, and then sales will start declining fast, but maybe I'm wrong in thinking that. It just seems to be the rule for Nintendo home consoles, but yeah, the Switch isn't really that. Kinda get the feeling that we'll get another Mario, BotW 2, and after those two we're not gonna get more major hardware-moving games.

I'm also thinking the PS5 will have a slow start, meaning the PS4 will continue to sell well for at least another year or two.

PS4 realistically will stop at 125 million, with 130 million being in my opinion the best case scenario. i don't know what you mean with "low start", but i think you severely underestimate next gen consoles. PS5 launch is going to be huge, Sony already confirmed pre orders are higher than PS4, and Sony plan to ship (so sell) more units than PS4 at launch. If anything, i agree PS5 lifetime won't beat PS4 but at launch it'll be bigger.

But anyway, 125 or 130 million for PS4 isn't that important, i think we all agree this is gonna be the range.

Now, for Switch, look at this:

2020 - 28 million / 80 million
2021 - 20 million / 100 million (-30%)
2022 - 12 million / 112 million (-40%)
2023 - 6 million / 118 million (-50%) <--- Switch 2 in November
Lifetime - 120 million

You  see how pessimist (and unrealistic i would say) i went with those estimate, yet it still reach 120 million so easy?

Keep in mind 2020 line up, outside of Animal Crossing, was absolutely shit, and for the next years we have at least one new model (probabily more), and they still have to make a pricedrop.

And 2020 had shortages for all year.......

There is absolutely nothing that suggest Switch to drop like this. "could happen because Switch is an unprecedented situation" is not a reason.

Oh yeah, of course, November 2023 seem early, not impossible at all but considering how many times Nintendo said Switch is barely in the half of his lifecycle, 2024 seem more likely for Switch 2.

Imo, Switch will beat PS4 by a huge margin. 



2020 predictions: NSW 25m, PS5 6m, XSX 4.5m, PS4 9m, XB1 3m

In December 2019 i predicted 21m Switch, but that was before COVID, obvius increased my predictions.