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eva01beserk said:
sethnintendo said:

You would think crime and safety would be more concern in big cities. I live in suburb of Austin, TX and I can tell you that there have been no protest here.  No riots.  Nothing.  Suburban people are more concerned about healthcare and coronavirus.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/08/13/important-issues-in-the-2020-election/

August article

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN25T1I3

"But the poll showed the majority -- 78% -- remain “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the coronavirus. Nearly 60% said Trump is at least partly responsible for the protracted school and business closures due to the virus, as well as for the high number of coronavirus cases in the United States. More than 6 million Americans have been infected with the virus, more people than in any other country.

By contrast, most Americans do not see crime as a major priority and do not think it is increasing in their communities, the poll showed.

Only about 8% of American adults listed crime as a top priority for the country, compared with 30% who said it was the economy or jobs, and 16% who said it was the healthcare system.

And 62% of registered voters, including 62% of Democrats and 65% of Republicans, said crime was not increasing in their communities"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN25T1I3

September article

I can keep posting articles.  Do you have any to back up your claims?

No I don't. But what i will agree is that the economy is #1 but that is strictly related to the lockdown. As soon as restrictions whete lifted the economy started rising again and the polls started showimg more possitive towards trump. The same thing happened with the riots. As they escalated trumps approval also rose. Now I cant say that thouse where the only reason trumps polls started rising. But it would be foolish to say that thouse are not big factors.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Can you show me where on the approval ratings you're talking about? 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

or the general election polls for that matter. 



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WolfpackN64 said:
vivster said:

Is it possible to be bigoted against bigots? She is a hardline catholic and from her history and quotes it is clear that she will have a hard time leaving out her catholic values from rulings that are supposed to be as impartial as possible.

Her views on sexuality and abortion are telling enough. She won't advocate for human rights, because her Christian values trump human rights.

And between me and you, that's a pretty bad thing for a person with such immense power to decide over human lives.

Is being catholic = being a bigot? No judge is "neutral", bet they still all have to interpret the law, whatever their background.

No, being a bigot is being a bigot. Also being an asshole is being an asshole. She ticks both of those boxes. No judge is neutral, but being religious as opposed to irreligious is already a giant red flag.

I'd rather have judges who base their opinions on evidence than faith.



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sethnintendo said:

Great a die hard catholic gets rammed through senate right before election. Mitch the turtle can go fuck himself.

Why do you hate Catholics when we both love Fire Emblem?



The easy way to resolve this is to just ignore Marbury v. Madison and the idea that only the Supreme Court has the final authority over judicial review. The judicial branch has always been the most conservative/status-quo supporting branch, and when progress had to be made during other crises (First Civil War, Great Depression) it was ignored or its decisions over-turned by popular sovereignty

So yeah, Trump can nominate and the Senate can approve Amy Coney Barrett, but as Jackson said, "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it."



Snesboy said:
sethnintendo said:

Great a die hard catholic gets rammed through senate right before election. Mitch the turtle can go fuck himself.

Why do you hate Catholics when we both love Fire Emblem?

I don't necessarily hate people that are Catholics.  I just have very negative views towards the institution due to the whole priest scandals and the church pretty much sweeping them under the rug till recently when they finally stopped protecting past abusers.  

I actually kind of like the new pope compared to the Hitler youth former one.   He is actually trying to make amends and be more inclusive.  My last two girlfriends were actually catholic.  

My problem like many is that I generalize too much.  It's more my distaste of the institution than most people that belong to religion.

Also on religion.  I don't care what most people believe but I do care when their beliefs start encroaching on me.   There might be a god but I don't think any religion on Earth is the correct and only true religion.   I have very negative views of organized religion because they are run by humans and humans will always be flawed.   That's why I've just kind of adopted my own and to me nature is god.



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NightlyPoe said:

So... I'm just supposed to ignore that they immediately start attacking a potential nominee based on her religion?  Your favorite website says it's not true, so what I'm watching happening in real time INCLUDING ON THIS VERY THREAD, isn't happening?

I'm not here to defend every criticism or attack that has been done on this nominee.

I can point out though that they are not only mentioning her Catholicism but the very specific brand of religious subset she belongs to.

I don't know much about her "Praise" group thing, but I can absolutely say that any group that claims that any nonbeliever, Atheist, or freethinker who doesn't entertain the idea of a god is a problem or is not fit to hold office goes against the very values of this nation.

Citizenship is not beholden to entertaining the idea of a god, not beholden to be fit to hold office.

I have no problem with Catholics and Christians, I don't have problems with them holding office. Pretty much all my family and friends are believers. These "attacks" you claim are NOTHING compared to how Atheist and nonbelievers are regarded in US, even by the very President of the United States which I quoted and you didn't even flinch at his antagonistic regard for nonbelievers because you simply don't care.

My favorite website? Oh yes, I quote them a lot because they do a great job chronicling all the times that the Right and the GOP take a shit on the separation of church and state, but I disagree a lot with their editorials and their leanings towards identity politics (although they aren't extreme when they incur in identity politics).

I have voted and will continue to vote for believers during elections, I just require them not to shove their idea of a god down my throat, which is way more that I give compared to the Religious Right who can't even say a nonbeliever can be a good citizen.

You REALLY need to get off that site, because it's messing with your head.  Again, the country is on a religious ebb.

If I stop watching news website because they have "opinions" I don't agree with I would have no place to read news anywhere.

NightlyPoe said:

If it's a strong Originalist, then conservatives will be happy.  If it's an activist judge, then they will oppose.

"Originalist" is code for the Religious Right to claim the Founding Fathers intended the citizens to be believers.

They want to claim that the government must help people be believers in the idea of a god.

The absolute joke about the "Originalist" claim is that our Founding Father have said things that the Religious Right would claim doesn't make them believers anymore or "true Christians" (just like they dismiss the idea that other Christian Democrats are "true believers"):

Thomas Jefferson even chopped off pieces of the Bible taking away most of the magic and supernatural.

If you tell me that all the above still makes you an Originalist then I AM an Originalist too.



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NightlyPoe said:
vivster said:

Ah yes, let's have a proponent of a church led state be the arbiter of a constitution that explicitly forbids it.

That's as if you would make people who have fun harming others police officers tasked to protect people. Oh wait.

Would you care to provide any evidence that she is a proponent of a church-led state?

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sethnintendo said:
Snesboy said:

Why do you hate Catholics when we both love Fire Emblem?

I don't necessarily hate people that are Catholics.  I just have very negative views towards the institution due to the whole priest scandals and the church pretty much sweeping them under the rug till recently when they finally stopped protecting past abusers.  

I actually kind of like the new pope compared to the Hitler youth former one.   He is actually trying to make amends and be more inclusive.  My last two girlfriends were actually catholic.  

My problem like many is that I generalize too much.  It's more my distaste of the institution than most people that belong to religion.

Also on religion.  I don't care what most people believe but I do care when their beliefs start encroaching on me.   There might be a god but I don't think any religion on Earth is the correct and only true religion.   I have very negative views of organized religion because they are run by humans and humans will always be flawed.   That's why I've just kind of adopted my own and to me nature is god.

I completely understand. That's why as a Catholic, I try to help people to understand that man is fallible and we worship God to be more like him and accepting of all people, especially our enemies.

I hope Amy Coney Barrett to be a fine addition to the Supreme Court and that she will follow our Constitution to the fullest as it protects her and all our religious freedoms. None of my research has indicated that she will follow religious teachings before the Constitution, however, only time will tell.



vivster said:

Is it possible to be bigoted against bigots? She is a hardline catholic and from her history and quotes it is clear that she will have a hard time leaving out her catholic values from rulings that are supposed to be as impartial as possible.

Her views on sexuality and abortion are telling enough. She won't advocate for human rights, because her Christian values trump human rights.

And between me and you, that's a pretty bad thing for a person with such immense power to decide over human lives.

Of course it is. That's why we need more people who live the idea of unlimited tolerance, because otherwise we'll always have a neverending cycle of hatred.



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sethnintendo said:
NightlyPoe said:

Would you care to provide any evidence that she is a proponent of a church-led state?

Is anti-Catholic bigotry really going to be the sum of the Democrat response?

Get ready to be reminded of Article VI: Clause 3 of the Constitution: "but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

I'm not just anti catholic.   I'm anti almost all religion. She could be mormon for all I care and my view still wouldn't change.  Actually I'd probably make fun of her more if she was mormon.  Just barely looking into her past she is just someone that Notre Dame college put all their backing behind to try to advance her career to eventual highest court.  Looks like their strategy has worked.

Least I can say I don't belong to an organization that supported and hid pedophile priest that molested and raped little boys for the past centuries.

Yet, there are atheist who engage in pedophilia so...