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RolStoppable said:
sundin13 said:

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Again, this is under the assumption that Xbox will shift these games towards exclusivity which we don't know yet, but it seems strange to spend this much money on a brand and then not utilize it to produce exclusives...

It is strange, but Microsoft spent big on Minecraft and then released Minecraft Dungeons day and date on all consoles, all the while Minecraft getting continuously updates everywhere.

You may find the lack of coherence and logical thinking on Microsoft's part perplexing (and it is), but that's just who they are. They have no clue, but they have money.

I always find it absolutely puzzling how people claim Microsoft has "no clue".
They definitely have a clue when it comes to business... Because I can not remember a time where they were financially struggling.

In short, Microsoft definitely has a clue, their strategy has to be working for them to still be raking in cash... And yes, Sony and Nintendo are a business also and also primarily exist to grab consumers wallets. Microsoft is simply better at it.




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sundin13 said:
sales2099 said:

Bold: It benefits Xbox and their consumers. And it’s healthy competition. Best gen was when 360 and PS3 were almost even. Each had success and the industry was big enough for both. Now it’s one sided and therefore not ideal for anyone not fully invested in PlayStation. This evens the field to a degree, which does benefit the industry on the whole. 

You will be dragged kicking and screaming to the Xbox brand, but I guarantee you once you settle in you will find we take care of our own. You will play more games and spend less money doing so, with plenty consumer friendly options. 

How does it benefit Xbox consumers? These games already would have been on Xbox. I can fathom a few fairly minor benefits to Xbox customers like as others have mentioned, the potential of these games being on Game Pass sooner, but overall, the primary effect of this acquisition is that Xbox customers get the same thing they've always gotten and Playstation/Nintendo customers get something worse. I am all for competition, but not like this. I would wholeheartedly support MS dumping cash into developing a new studio or pouring money into new talent but this seems like subtractive spending, not additive spending. 

Again, this is under the assumption that Xbox will shift these games towards exclusivity which we don't know yet, but it seems strange to spend this much money on a brand and then not utilize it to produce exclusives...

Think of this as more of  gamepass move then a console exclusive move.  The purpose is for content and MS needs a stable of high profile content on the service to make it viable.  Dumping cash into an unproven studio with unproven game is way more risky then getting established studios.  Also I believe MS just send a broadside shot telling the industry that they are serious and the cash straps are off.  This may give MS better leverage in other deals as they show they are willing to open the pocket books.  MS has moved to a service oriented company.  This move fits right into where they are going and probably has nothing to do with Sony or competing on the console front but instead setting up a huge games service that will be available on just about every hardware they can put it on.



Jranation said:
Barkley said:

Massive, however I expect we'll still see games like Elderscrolls 6 releasing on other platforms like PlayStation.

Imo Xbox Series + PC + Gamepass should be enough. 

If you have PC + Gamepas, why do you need the Xbox Series?



Pemalite said:
RolStoppable said:

It is strange, but Microsoft spent big on Minecraft and then released Minecraft Dungeons day and date on all consoles, all the while Minecraft getting continuously updates everywhere.

You may find the lack of coherence and logical thinking on Microsoft's part perplexing (and it is), but that's just who they are. They have no clue, but they have money.

I always find it absolutely puzzling how people claim Microsoft has "no clue".
They definitely have a clue when it comes to business... Because I can not remember a time where they were financially struggling.

In short, Microsoft definitely has a clue, their strategy has to be working for them to still be raking in cash... And yes, Sony and Nintendo are a business also and also primarily exist to grab consumers wallets. Microsoft is simply better at it.


Not sure the Xbox gaming division is raking in the cash though ;) MS is making a fortune on Cloud revenue. 

Last edited by goopy20 - on 21 September 2020

Man I can't keep up with this thread while at work. So I left it like page 15. I'm sure a lot have said this but I hope this dosent do to Bethesda what Activision did to Blizzard. Quality just straight down the toilet and games as a service galore.



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Pemalite said:
RolStoppable said:

It is strange, but Microsoft spent big on Minecraft and then released Minecraft Dungeons day and date on all consoles, all the while Minecraft getting continuously updates everywhere.

You may find the lack of coherence and logical thinking on Microsoft's part perplexing (and it is), but that's just who they are. They have no clue, but they have money.

I always find it absolutely puzzling how people claim Microsoft has "no clue".
They definitely have a clue when it comes to business... Because I can not remember a time where they were financially struggling.

In short, Microsoft definitely has a clue, their strategy has to be working for them to still be raking in cash... And yes, Sony and Nintendo are a business also and also primarily exist to grab consumers wallets. Microsoft is simply better at it.

Microsoft isn't good in consumer markets.

They have a huge amount of money because they convinced PC manufacturers to bundle Windows with their PCs, these PCs were sold to businesses and then it trickled down to computers for home use because Windows is what people got used to and the aforementioned PC manufacturers competed with each other on price, so Microsoft could work with high margins on their operating system while the PC manufacturers worked with low margins on their hardware. This is what Microsoft has leveraged ever since.

But whenever Microsoft has to do all the actual work themselves, be it Xbox, Zune, Windows Phone or whatever else, they have a really hard time to run it as profitable business because consumers have viable alternatives in the market and the usual outcome is that consumers don't pick Microsoft's product. We have Xbox sales numbers on this site and it's verifiable that Microsoft isn't better than Sony or Nintendo, especially because Microsoft had all that Windows money and still couldn't pull of any win in the console business.



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Intrinsic said:
Jranation said:

Imo Xbox Series + PC + Gamepass should be enough. 

If you have PC + Gamepas, why do you need the Xbox Series?

#1 to play on your TV.
#2 If you own a console, anyone can have access to your GamePass and you can keep playing on PC.
#3 Microsoft get your support regardless if you own a console, they rather just have you playing their games and in the eco system.



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Replicant said:

Megaton!

Now do Fallout: New Vegas 2 :D



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goopy20 said:
Pemalite said:

I always find it absolutely puzzling how people claim Microsoft has "no clue".
They definitely have a clue when it comes to business... Because I can not remember a time where they were financially struggling.

In short, Microsoft definitely has a clue, their strategy has to be working for them to still be raking in cash... And yes, Sony and Nintendo are a business also and also primarily exist to grab consumers wallets. Microsoft is simply better at it.


Not if we're talking about the Xbox gaming division, though. 

You aren't looking at the bigger picture.

The Xbox gaming division isn't just about games.

You buy an Xbox... You will probably be using Internet explorer and bring in ad revenue, you might be using skype and leveraging that subscription.

I will for example upload a game video from my Xbox to One Drive and then access that game video on my PC or even Phone... And I pay a Microsoft office license for that.

Microsoft is trying to get you into an "ecosystem" where every service can lean into each other to accrue cumulative spending... This is why Microsoft is so good at what it does. And no. That spending isn't reflected in the Xbox gaming division.

This is bigger picture stuff.



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eva01beserk said:
Man I can't keep up with this thread while at work. So I left it like page 15. I'm sure a lot have said this but I hope this dosent do to Bethesda what Activision did to Blizzard. Quality just straight down the toilet and games as a service galore.

Dont know about quality, but most new games that they develop from now on will most likely have some aspect from GAAS games. I mean, they are all going to be on gamepass day one, so they need to make them profitable somehow.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

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