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Forums - Movies & TV - Netflix Loses Millions of Subscriptions Over Controversial Film, "Cuties" For Sexploiting Children

shikamaru317 said:
DraconianAC said:
Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so. Never mind the other horrible things people don't pay attention to here, like lead, plastic, and other pollutants in American water quality and how it affects developing minds. To me, that is a more horrible crime than a stupid movie with controversial plot points. They wont give shit about their water, but they want Netflix to suffer for streaming a foreign movie that comes from a different culture.

Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda, and use the health of kids as a tool get what they want, but if it the health of the population, including poor kids is stopping the way of profits, then they don't give a rats ass.

What a strange take. I don't know what news source you've been watching, but drinking water problems are nowhere near as widespread as you seem to think. Over 90% of US communities have safe public water. Lead contamination is the biggest issue for sure in the remaining less than 10%, but it is one that has improved dramatically over the last few decades, in 1993 it was estimated that 40m Americans were using public water with harmful levels of lead, that number has decreased alot since then with many cities and towns taking Federal and State assistance to help pay for pipe replacements in older homes that were built before newer pipe types became the standard. Many other communities have begun adding safe anti-corrosive additives to their public water, which help to prevent existing lead pipes for releasing harmful amounts of lead, which is much more cost effective than full pipe replacement initiatives. 

I disagree with you about the water quality, but I do agree that it depends on what media your are watching. If you're accepting what the corporate media, and regulatory agencies, that don't want to be sued/liable, are saying; then yes, everything is okay. I prefer to believe the working class sounding the alarm.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/infrastructure/516522-erin-brockovich-says-us-is-now-in-a-water

I don't see why Erin Brockavich would destroy her reputation on a lie; I also like to hear how people tell their stories like this lady here. You can't make up lies with so many intricate details on what is happening to her and her family. But you also can't convince people about a problem, if they are not personally affected by it. Just look at climate change.

Part 1: https://youtu.be/EVhziVzhCvM

Part 2: https://youtu.be/Y1OuYKaXvcQ

This is water were talking about, everyone is going to be affected by it; if you wish to ignore it, lets see how much you're going to like that medical tax down the road.



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Ka-pi96 said:
DraconianAC said:

I put my bold lettering on my point in case you missed it.

As for possession of pedophilia and possession of crack, how interesting that those two crimes are items that can be planted on a personal belongings, and no one would know other than the authorities that made the arrest.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I did NOT give my opinion about what I think about the crime. I only said "Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst" in the USA. If you don't believe me, look it up.

Edit: Interesting that you didn't give a shit about the water quality point that I made.

You also said "because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so" to me that heavily implies you disagree with it. If you don't think so then it's not really useful for criticising "American hypocrite society", so why even mention it?

And of course I don't give a shit about the water quality point. It's completely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

You assume that I disagree with the law against child pornography because I called the Society in America Hypocrites? Please don't jump to conclusions like that. I would advice you follow up with the whole message first. I underline the hypocrisy by showing an example you completely dismiss and don't care about: Water quality.

"And of course I don't give a shit about the water quality point. It's completely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned."

But it is quite relevant to the point I was trying to make. Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda.

They only care about the mental/physical health of kids, when it matters to them, but they don't when it gets in the way of what they deem okay, Like profits. That was my point. In the age of spin, people will tell you that killing others for profit is not to be considered important enough to be reported/examined, but having crude plot points in a movie from a different culture: that has cross the line, and must be examined.



thismeintiel said:
OhNoYouDont said:
Netflix didn't make this movie...it's simply a movie available on their platform. It's like going to the supermarket and getting pissed at the store for having dildos available.

I wouldn't put dildos in my grocery store but some people like dildos.

You act as if Netflix, or a grocery store, have no control of what they put on their platform/shelves. They decide what they sell. And this would be more like a grocery store selling smaller dildos aimed and marketed at preteens. That wouldn't go over well in any area.

Mnementh said:

Didn't they already cover this like in the first season? The episode there the enraged parents fling themself against the TV station to protest against Terrence&Philipp. These days the TV-station get's replaced with Netflix and flinging people with a social media shit storm, but the basic premise stays the same, don't you think?

I have a feeling South Park would mock the movie and its makers, not the outrage surrounding it. They seem very opposed to the sexualization of kids. Mocking it with Raisins, a store like Hooters, but with young girls. Also, an episode mocking beauty pageants, with a judge jerking off to the young girls.

Of course they have control over what products are available on their platform. But just because you don't like the product doesn't mean they won't make it available for others who do.

I reject your false analogy. It would be like making thongs for preteens and having them available. Oh wait, they do have that...

I will add that simply because you find something to be sexual doesn't mean that it is sexual intrinsically.



DonFerrari said:
Barozi said:

Again I haven't seen the movie but since someone here claimed that there isn't even any nudity in the movie, I did some research and according to Forbes, the breast in that internet video does not belong to a minor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/09/12/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-netflixs-cuties-shows-child-nudity-in-call-for-doj-probe/#5de3c744c162

The rest seems to be exactly what the director was aiming for.

Here's an interview with the producer:

What was the inspiration for this project?
It came from Maïmouna’s personal experience. She grew up in a large family living in one room in the 19th district of Paris, in a social housing project. She regularly goes back to the neighborhood to see her family and in one of the local festivities she saw a group of young 11-year-old girls dancing very provocatively to an audience with many mothers wearing traditional head scarves. She found it fascinating and disturbing and it raised the question of what role models young women can follow. It’s a very visceral movie. It really got under her skin and we feel it.

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/zangro-sundance-cuties-1203467120/

So basically she wanted to film what she has seen in real life. Wouldn't work nearly as well if she casted 16-year-olds and pretended they were 14 in the movie.

Also seriously? 11-year-olds watching porn on smartphones? You have to be pretty naive to assume that this is uncommon.

Well from her interview she is acknowleding that she was doing very provocative poses and taping. So yes it was sexual exploitation.

I don't think you realize what the movie is about...



Barozi said:
DonFerrari said:

Well from her interview she is acknowleding that she was doing very provocative poses and taping. So yes it was sexual exploitation.

I don't think you realize what the movie is about...

Pretends to be about a criticism over the sexualization of underage (which could still be made with 18 year old girls that look teenagers and would still have the same basic meaning), but it achieves that by doing children and teens do sexually provocative dance and get close ups, so again she admitted to tape what she seemed in real life, and that in real life it was to be sexually provocative.

And no one can say someone is assexual and at the same time do sexual activities with intention.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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I wonder, would everyone be fine with the movie if it was all CGI?



DonFerrari said:
Barozi said:

I don't think you realize what the movie is about...

Pretends to be about a criticism over the sexualization of underage (which could still be made with 18 year old girls that look teenagers and would still have the same basic meaning), but it achieves that by doing children and teens do sexually provocative dance and get close ups, so again she admitted to tape what she seemed in real life, and that in real life it was to be sexually provocative.

And no one can say someone is assexual and at the same time do sexual activities with intention.

ah so you did get it. But what's your problem with it?

It's based on real life events that are 100% legal. Assuming someone in the audience filmed the dance choreography, would it suddenly turn into something illegal?

Also what's the difference between girls voluntarily doing a sexually provocative dance in real life and girls voluntarily trying to enact it in a movie?

In the end it's just girls trying out stuff that they are seeing everyday in social media and music videos.



ArchangelMadzz said:
vivster said:

I don't mind it at all if the children aren't hurt by it. So unless they were forced or coerced to do the movie I'm fine with it. That's also what separates a horror movie from real snuff. It's also what separates pedophilia from actual crimes. As long as the children are fine everything is fine.

I would like to think of this movie like one of those athletics competitions with really young children. Dancing and spreading in skin tight outfits in front of cameras. Whatever makes them happy.

https://twitter.com/Nezbabi/status/1304148167865389056?s=20


Are you going to tell me with a straight face you don't see the difference between this and the way girls olympics/gymnastics is shot and covered?

Thats effing disgusting and I hope Netflix and whoever made this get punished for this. 3 seconds of that material is more than enough to understand this is wrong in so many levels. I just can't understand how there are people defending this with a straight face. I was born in the Netherlands and people mention here that in Europe we are more okay for nudity but that is not really true. Some movies have received rightfully backlash. We are then not talking about a kid in bath of which you can see a face. And then this Cuties movie....That's not okay here. By far.



Stories unfolded with my home made rap songs. Feel free to listen here with lyrics: https://youtu.be/vyT9PbK5_T0

Cuties is meant to be a commentary on how the world is influencing children to act more sexual, and why this is very clearly a bad thing. A lot of people are comparing it to how war pieces are also meant to showcase how war is bad.

The difference being, in war pieces, no actual wars are being shown. All of the characters are actors, nobody actually dies, all the blood and gore is fake. With Cuties, there is an actual shot of an 11 year old topless. That is an actual case of child pornography. Imagine if a war movie actually murdered someone on screen and showcased them actually fighting for their life as they died. That would be the equivalent here, and people would be just as disgusted.



SvennoJ said:
I wonder, would everyone be fine with the movie if it was all CGI?

I wouldn`t watch but would be ok with it being on the platform (sure under the law of the country you are then the rating should be made accordingly).

Barozi said:
DonFerrari said:

Pretends to be about a criticism over the sexualization of underage (which could still be made with 18 year old girls that look teenagers and would still have the same basic meaning), but it achieves that by doing children and teens do sexually provocative dance and get close ups, so again she admitted to tape what she seemed in real life, and that in real life it was to be sexually provocative.

And no one can say someone is assexual and at the same time do sexual activities with intention.

ah so you did get it. But what's your problem with it?

It's based on real life events that are 100% legal. Assuming someone in the audience filmed the dance choreography, would it suddenly turn into something illegal?

Also what's the difference between girls voluntarily doing a sexually provocative dance in real life and girls voluntarily trying to enact it in a movie?

In the end it's just girls trying out stuff that they are seeing everyday in social media and music videos.

It is legal for two teenager to have sex, but it isn`t legal to tape it much less to distribute.

As someone else said if they were doing a documentary type and there were no close ups and such it would be much less problematic.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."