Forums - Movies Discussion - Netflix Loses Millions of Subscriptions Over Controversial Film, "Cuties" For Sexploiting Children

Mnementh said:
shikamaru317 said:

Note that I said "Hollywood and other filmmakers", I know Cuties or Mignonnes is French. Simply put the girls in this movie were sexually exploited for profit, both by the original filmmakers and by Netflix, there is no getting around that. 

I'm also well aware that nudity is less of a big deal in Europe than it is in the US, but perhaps it should be a bigger deal, if Europe's apathy towards nudity is allowing children to be sexually exploited for profit. Somebody mentioned another movie above, Blue is Warmest Color, saying that it got a 12 rating in France. The sex scenes in that movie are straight up pornography, just without any genitalia shown (breasts, butts, various sex acts from cunnilingus to fingering are shown though), how is that ok for a 12 year old to watch? I think perhaps France is a bit too lax with their ratings.

It's only fair. The US rates violence in movies actually very low compared to europe. In the US sexuality is a bad thing, but violence isn't apparently.

People like to bring this up as if Americans have it backwards.  But does anyone ponder whether it's actually the sophisticated Europeans that have it backwards?

When I look at the things that can derail a young life the various pitfalls of sex (including violence and harassment) are much more likely to directly impact a teenager than guns and 'splosions.

And remember, these are all real little girls.  It's not wrong to say that the real life people that did this to real life little girls exploited them.



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vivster said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I thought this, until I saw camera zooms on 11 year olds spreading their crotches and slapping eachother on the ass, bending over etc.

Is there any objective reason why that would be a bad thing? I mean if it makes you uncomfortable for any reason, that's fine. Watching horror movies makes me uncomfortable, which is why I don't watch them. However no one seems to want to boycott them.

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 



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shikamaru317 said:
Chris Hu said:

Hollywood had nothing to do with with it the movie is French.  Also l hate to burst your bubble but nudity isn't a big deal in Europe it really never was there are paintings that feature nude bodies since ancient times.

Note that I said "Hollywood and other filmmakers", I know Cuties or Mignonnes is French. Simply put the girls in this movie were sexually exploited for profit, both by the original filmmakers and by Netflix, there is no getting around that. 

I'm also well aware that nudity is less of a big deal in Europe than it is in the US, but perhaps it should be a bigger deal, if Europe's apathy towards nudity is allowing children to be sexually exploited for profit. Somebody mentioned another movie above, Blue is Warmest Color, saying that it got a 12 rating in France. The sex scenes in that movie are straight up pornography, just without any genitalia shown (breasts, butts, various sex acts from cunnilingus to fingering are shown though), how is that ok for a 12 year old to watch? I think perhaps France is a bit too lax with their ratings.

Why? People shouldn't be ashamed or scared of their own body.



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OhNoYouDont said:
Netflix didn't make this movie...it's simply a movie available on their platform. It's like going to the supermarket and getting pissed at the store for having dildos available.

I wouldn't put dildos in my grocery store but some people like dildos.

You act as if Netflix, or a grocery store, have no control of what they put on their platform/shelves. They decide what they sell. And this would be more like a grocery store selling smaller dildos aimed and marketed at preteens. That wouldn't go over well in any area.

Mnementh said:
eva01beserk said:
this really could not happen at a better time. The new season of south park starts sometime this month. This has to be their opening.

Didn't they already cover this like in the first season? The episode there the enraged parents fling themself against the TV station to protest against Terrence&Philipp. These days the TV-station get's replaced with Netflix and flinging people with a social media shit storm, but the basic premise stays the same, don't you think?

I have a feeling South Park would mock the movie and its makers, not the outrage surrounding it. They seem very opposed to the sexualization of kids. Mocking it with Raisins, a store like Hooters, but with young girls. Also, an episode mocking beauty pageants, with a judge jerking off to the young girls.



vivster said:
Cobretti2 said:

How are children asexual? Innocent perhaps and non the wiser. However for us that were more mentally mature, at a very early age in primary school I was hitting on girls at school trying to get them to go out with me. I guess it may depend on the country you grow up in on how progressive this topic is. Hell we even had sex ed classes in grade 4 to tell us about the birds and the bees. 

Yeah, 10 and 11 is a bit of a grey area. I myself was very sexually interested already when I was 10. However if you go down in single digits they definitely are asexual. To a point where you could show them explicit porn and they wouldn't know what to do with it.

Anyhow, the time at which children are introduced to sexuality is irrelevant. Children shouldn't be shielded at all. Because if you do you will get completely screwed up adults claiming everything is perverse and pedophilia. Hell, I'd wager that at least 90% of people who use that word don't know what it actually is.

That's not an issue with shielding children. That's an issue with freaking out when they do see something.

It probably is best to keep some things from children. The important part is just acting... well, normal if they do see something. If they have questions, answer them, or even be incredibly vague like "you'll find out when you're older" (what my Dad said to me) if you're not comfortable answering them. If you freak out however and proclaim something is evil or the kid is bad for looking at it... that's when you're going to end up with a screwed up adult in the future.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
vivster said:

Is there any objective reason why that would be a bad thing? I mean if it makes you uncomfortable for any reason, that's fine. Watching horror movies makes me uncomfortable, which is why I don't watch them. However no one seems to want to boycott them.

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I took a look at the true age of the actresses and 3 out of 4 seem to be 14 years old with only one being 12. So I guess you could deduct a year since the film was probably shot in 2019.

I mean it would be hard to cast 16-year-olds for this kind of movie.



Barozi said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I took a look at the true age of the actresses and 3 out of 4 seem to be 14 years old with only one being 12. So I guess you could deduct a year since the film was probably shot in 2019.

I mean it would be hard to cast 16-year-olds for this kind of movie.

I'm not saying this kind of movie shouldn't be made.

I'm saying they could've done it in a different way. 

This isn't necessary



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ArchangelMadzz said:
vivster said:

Is there any objective reason why that would be a bad thing? I mean if it makes you uncomfortable for any reason, that's fine. Watching horror movies makes me uncomfortable, which is why I don't watch them. However no one seems to want to boycott them.

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I don't mind it at all if the children aren't hurt by it. So unless they were forced or coerced to do the movie I'm fine with it. That's also what separates a horror movie from real snuff. It's also what separates pedophilia from actual crimes. As long as the children are fine everything is fine.

I would like to think of this movie like one of those athletics competitions with really young children. Dancing and spreading in skin tight outfits in front of cameras. Whatever makes them happy.



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vivster said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I don't mind it at all if the children aren't hurt by it. So unless they were forced or coerced to do the movie I'm fine with it. That's also what separates a horror movie from real snuff. It's also what separates pedophilia from actual crimes. As long as the children are fine everything is fine.

I would like to think of this movie like one of those athletics competitions with really young children. Dancing and spreading in skin tight outfits in front of cameras. Whatever makes them happy.

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Are you going to tell me with a straight face you don't see the difference between this and the way girls olympics/gymnastics is shot and covered?



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ArchangelMadzz said:
Barozi said:

I took a look at the true age of the actresses and 3 out of 4 seem to be 14 years old with only one being 12. So I guess you could deduct a year since the film was probably shot in 2019.

I mean it would be hard to cast 16-year-olds for this kind of movie.

I'm not saying this kind of movie shouldn't be made.

I'm saying they could've done it in a different way. 

This isn't necessary

Again I haven't seen the movie but since someone here claimed that there isn't even any nudity in the movie, I did some research and according to Forbes, the breast in that internet video does not belong to a minor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/09/12/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-netflixs-cuties-shows-child-nudity-in-call-for-doj-probe/#5de3c744c162

The rest seems to be exactly what the director was aiming for.

Here's an interview with the producer:

What was the inspiration for this project?
It came from Maïmouna’s personal experience. She grew up in a large family living in one room in the 19th district of Paris, in a social housing project. She regularly goes back to the neighborhood to see her family and in one of the local festivities she saw a group of young 11-year-old girls dancing very provocatively to an audience with many mothers wearing traditional head scarves. She found it fascinating and disturbing and it raised the question of what role models young women can follow. It’s a very visceral movie. It really got under her skin and we feel it.

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/zangro-sundance-cuties-1203467120/

So basically she wanted to film what she has seen in real life. Wouldn't work nearly as well if she casted 16-year-olds and pretended they were 14 in the movie.

Also seriously? 11-year-olds watching porn on smartphones? You have to be pretty naive to assume that this is uncommon.