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Forums - Movies Discussion - Netflix Loses Millions of Subscriptions Over Controversial Film, "Cuties" For Sexploiting Children

OhNoYouDont said:
Netflix didn't make this movie...it's simply a movie available on their platform. It's like going to the supermarket and getting pissed at the store for having dildos available.

I wouldn't put dildos in my grocery store but some people like dildos.

Eeeerrr a store is responsible for what it sells. So if it was allowing illegal material to be sold on their store they would be responsible as sellers. Same if they were reselling stolen merchandise or any other crime.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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After reading all the comments I have to watch this movie only so I can get a perspective on context. I know when I was growing up, I use to get into a lot of sexual situations at a very young age. They happen between myself and other boys, myself with girls. I do remember during those times not understand jack squat what I was doing but doing it either based on imitation or some obscured learned behavior depending on the incident. I know when it came to girls, some situations I did on my own but a lot of times they were initiated by the girl. As a father today, those situations has tempered how I speak to both my sons and daughter but what it definitely has done is not make me think just because my child is very young, either my son or daughter would not find themselves in sexual situations or even be the one to initiate it. The thing is, parents have to be even re vigilant now then before because information is so easy to obtain whether they have their own device or another child does. Not having early conversations on sex and teaching them what it means early and often is better than them getting it from some friend who has not clue but is throwing out a bunch of crap trying to understand its meaning. Either way, the face your child shows you at home is definite not the same person they show around their friends or even how they could behave. I wonder if this is what this movie is trying to portray.



Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so. Never mind the other horrible things people don't pay attention to here, like lead, plastic, and other pollutants in American water quality and how it affects developing minds. To me, that is a more horrible crime than a stupid movie with controversial plot points. They wont give shit about their water, but they want Netflix to suffer for streaming a foreign movie that comes from a different culture.

Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda, and use the health of kids as a tool get what they want, but if it the health of the population, including poor kids is stopping the way of profits, then they don't give a rats ass.



DraconianAC said:
Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so. Never mind the other horrible things people don't pay attention to here, like lead, plastic, and other pollutants in American water quality and how it affects developing minds. To me, that is a more horrible crime than a stupid movie with controversial plot points. They wont give shit about their water, but they want Netflix to suffer for streaming a foreign movie that comes from a different culture.

Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda, and use the health of kids as a tool get what they want, but if it the health of the population, including poor kids is stopping the way of profits, then they don't give a rats ass.

huh? Are you saying people having child porn shouldn't be worse than them having drugs?

Because I really don't think child porn being the worse offence there is a bad thing. To be fair I don't think having drugs should be illegal full stop, but still even if that weren't the case child porn being considered worse definitely isn't wrong.



Ka-pi96 said:
DraconianAC said:
Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so. Never mind the other horrible things people don't pay attention to here, like lead, plastic, and other pollutants in American water quality and how it affects developing minds. To me, that is a more horrible crime than a stupid movie with controversial plot points. They wont give shit about their water, but they want Netflix to suffer for streaming a foreign movie that comes from a different culture.

Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda, and use the health of kids as a tool get what they want, but if it the health of the population, including poor kids is stopping the way of profits, then they don't give a rats ass.

huh? Are you saying people having child porn shouldn't be worse than them having drugs?

Because I really don't think child porn being the worse offence there is a bad thing. To be fair I don't think having drugs should be illegal full stop, but still even if that weren't the case child porn being considered worse definitely isn't wrong.

I put my bold lettering on my point in case you missed it.

As for possession of pedophilia and possession of crack, how interesting that those two crimes are items that can be planted on a personal belongings, and no one would know other than the authorities that made the arrest.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I did NOT give my opinion about what I think about the crime. I only said "Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst" in the USA. If you don't believe me, look it up.

Edit: Interesting that you didn't give a shit about the water quality point that I made.



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DraconianAC said:
Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so. Never mind the other horrible things people don't pay attention to here, like lead, plastic, and other pollutants in American water quality and how it affects developing minds. To me, that is a more horrible crime than a stupid movie with controversial plot points. They wont give shit about their water, but they want Netflix to suffer for streaming a foreign movie that comes from a different culture.

Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda, and use the health of kids as a tool get what they want, but if it the health of the population, including poor kids is stopping the way of profits, then they don't give a rats ass.

What a strange take. I don't know what news source you've been watching, but drinking water problems are nowhere near as widespread as you seem to think. Over 90% of US communities have safe public water. Lead contamination is the biggest issue for sure in the remaining less than 10%, but it is one that has improved dramatically over the last few decades, in 1993 it was estimated that 40m Americans were using public water with harmful levels of lead, that number has decreased alot since then with many cities and towns taking Federal and State assistance to help pay for pipe replacements in older homes that were built before newer pipe types became the standard. Many other communities have begun adding safe anti-corrosive additives to their public water, which help to prevent existing lead pipes from releasing harmful amounts of lead (as well as helping to prevent steel and copper pipes from corroding), which is much more cost effective than full pipe replacement initiatives. 

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DraconianAC said:
Ka-pi96 said:

huh? Are you saying people having child porn shouldn't be worse than them having drugs?

Because I really don't think child porn being the worse offence there is a bad thing. To be fair I don't think having drugs should be illegal full stop, but still even if that weren't the case child porn being considered worse definitely isn't wrong.

I put my bold lettering on my point in case you missed it.

As for possession of pedophilia and possession of crack, how interesting that those two crimes are items that can be planted on a personal belongings, and no one would know other than the authorities that made the arrest.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I did NOT give my opinion about what I think about the crime. I only said "Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst" in the USA. If you don't believe me, look it up.

Edit: Interesting that you didn't give a shit about the water quality point that I made.

You also said "because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so" to me that heavily implies you disagree with it. If you don't think so then it's not really useful for criticising "American hypocrite society", so why even mention it?

And of course I don't give a shit about the water quality point. It's completely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.



Barozi said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I'm not saying this kind of movie shouldn't be made.

I'm saying they could've done it in a different way. 

This isn't necessary

Again I haven't seen the movie but since someone here claimed that there isn't even any nudity in the movie, I did some research and according to Forbes, the breast in that internet video does not belong to a minor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/09/12/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-netflixs-cuties-shows-child-nudity-in-call-for-doj-probe/#5de3c744c162

The rest seems to be exactly what the director was aiming for.

Here's an interview with the producer:

What was the inspiration for this project?
It came from Maïmouna’s personal experience. She grew up in a large family living in one room in the 19th district of Paris, in a social housing project. She regularly goes back to the neighborhood to see her family and in one of the local festivities she saw a group of young 11-year-old girls dancing very provocatively to an audience with many mothers wearing traditional head scarves. She found it fascinating and disturbing and it raised the question of what role models young women can follow. It’s a very visceral movie. It really got under her skin and we feel it.

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/zangro-sundance-cuties-1203467120/

So basically she wanted to film what she has seen in real life. Wouldn't work nearly as well if she casted 16-year-olds and pretended they were 14 in the movie.

Also seriously? 11-year-olds watching porn on smartphones? You have to be pretty naive to assume that this is uncommon.

Well from her interview she is acknowleding that she was doing very provocative poses and taping. So yes it was sexual exploitation.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

shikamaru317 said:
DraconianAC said:
Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so. Never mind the other horrible things people don't pay attention to here, like lead, plastic, and other pollutants in American water quality and how it affects developing minds. To me, that is a more horrible crime than a stupid movie with controversial plot points. They wont give shit about their water, but they want Netflix to suffer for streaming a foreign movie that comes from a different culture.

Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda, and use the health of kids as a tool get what they want, but if it the health of the population, including poor kids is stopping the way of profits, then they don't give a rats ass.

What a strange take. I don't know what news source you've been watching, but drinking water problems are nowhere near as widespread as you seem to think. Over 90% of US communities have safe public water. Lead contamination is the biggest issue for sure in the remaining less than 10%, but it is one that has improved dramatically over the last few decades, in 1993 it was estimated that 40m Americans were using public water with harmful levels of lead, that number has decreased alot since then with many cities and towns taking Federal and State assistance to help pay for pipe replacements in older homes that were built before newer pipe types became the standard. Many other communities have begun adding safe anti-corrosive additives to their public water, which help to prevent existing lead pipes for releasing harmful amounts of lead, which is much more cost effective than full pipe replacement initiatives. 

I disagree with you about the water quality, but I do agree that it depends on what media your are watching. If you're accepting what the corporate media, and regulatory agencies, that don't want to be sued/liable, are saying; then yes, everything is okay. I prefer to believe the working class sounding the alarm.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/infrastructure/516522-erin-brockovich-says-us-is-now-in-a-water

I don't see why Erin Brockavich would destroy her reputation on a lie; I also like to hear how people tell their stories like this lady here. You can't make up lies with so many intricate details on what is happening to her and her family. But you also can't convince people about a problem, if they are not personally affected by it. Just look at climate change.

Part 1: https://youtu.be/EVhziVzhCvM

Part 2: https://youtu.be/Y1OuYKaXvcQ

This is water were talking about, everyone is going to be affected by it; if you wish to ignore it, lets see how much you're going to like that medical tax down the road.



Ka-pi96 said:
DraconianAC said:

I put my bold lettering on my point in case you missed it.

As for possession of pedophilia and possession of crack, how interesting that those two crimes are items that can be planted on a personal belongings, and no one would know other than the authorities that made the arrest.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I did NOT give my opinion about what I think about the crime. I only said "Pedophilia possession is as illegal as crack, if not worst" in the USA. If you don't believe me, look it up.

Edit: Interesting that you didn't give a shit about the water quality point that I made.

You also said "because the American hypocrite society has deemed it so" to me that heavily implies you disagree with it. If you don't think so then it's not really useful for criticising "American hypocrite society", so why even mention it?

And of course I don't give a shit about the water quality point. It's completely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

You assume that I disagree with the law against child pornography because I called the Society in America Hypocrites? Please don't jump to conclusions like that. I would advice you follow up with the whole message first. I underline the hypocrisy by showing an example you completely dismiss and don't care about: Water quality.

"And of course I don't give a shit about the water quality point. It's completely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned."

But it is quite relevant to the point I was trying to make. Hypocrisy. That is what it is folks. They only care about their own agenda.

They only care about the mental/physical health of kids, when it matters to them, but they don't when it gets in the way of what they deem okay, Like profits. That was my point. In the age of spin, people will tell you that killing others for profit is not to be considered important enough to be reported/examined, but having crude plot points in a movie from a different culture: that has cross the line, and must be examined.