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OhNoYouDont said:
Netflix didn't make this movie...it's simply a movie available on their platform. It's like going to the supermarket and getting pissed at the store for having dildos available.

I wouldn't put dildos in my grocery store but some people like dildos.

You act as if Netflix, or a grocery store, have no control of what they put on their platform/shelves. They decide what they sell. And this would be more like a grocery store selling smaller dildos aimed and marketed at preteens. That wouldn't go over well in any area.

Mnementh said:
eva01beserk said:
this really could not happen at a better time. The new season of south park starts sometime this month. This has to be their opening.

Didn't they already cover this like in the first season? The episode there the enraged parents fling themself against the TV station to protest against Terrence&Philipp. These days the TV-station get's replaced with Netflix and flinging people with a social media shit storm, but the basic premise stays the same, don't you think?

I have a feeling South Park would mock the movie and its makers, not the outrage surrounding it. They seem very opposed to the sexualization of kids. Mocking it with Raisins, a store like Hooters, but with young girls. Also, an episode mocking beauty pageants, with a judge jerking off to the young girls.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
vivster said:

Is there any objective reason why that would be a bad thing? I mean if it makes you uncomfortable for any reason, that's fine. Watching horror movies makes me uncomfortable, which is why I don't watch them. However no one seems to want to boycott them.

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I took a look at the true age of the actresses and 3 out of 4 seem to be 14 years old with only one being 12. So I guess you could deduct a year since the film was probably shot in 2019.

I mean it would be hard to cast 16-year-olds for this kind of movie.



Barozi said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I took a look at the true age of the actresses and 3 out of 4 seem to be 14 years old with only one being 12. So I guess you could deduct a year since the film was probably shot in 2019.

I mean it would be hard to cast 16-year-olds for this kind of movie.

I'm not saying this kind of movie shouldn't be made.

I'm saying they could've done it in a different way. 

This isn't necessary



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ArchangelMadzz said:
vivster said:

Is there any objective reason why that would be a bad thing? I mean if it makes you uncomfortable for any reason, that's fine. Watching horror movies makes me uncomfortable, which is why I don't watch them. However no one seems to want to boycott them.

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I don't mind it at all if the children aren't hurt by it. So unless they were forced or coerced to do the movie I'm fine with it. That's also what separates a horror movie from real snuff. It's also what separates pedophilia from actual crimes. As long as the children are fine everything is fine.

I would like to think of this movie like one of those athletics competitions with really young children. Dancing and spreading in skin tight outfits in front of cameras. Whatever makes them happy.



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vivster said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Yes but horror movies aren't real portrayals. It would be different if it was an older actress pretending to be younger. But they're actual children, bending over with camera zooms on their actual child bodies spreading their legs etc. 

I don't mind horror movies with murder but you don't want to watch a real snuff movie. 

I don't mind it at all if the children aren't hurt by it. So unless they were forced or coerced to do the movie I'm fine with it. That's also what separates a horror movie from real snuff. It's also what separates pedophilia from actual crimes. As long as the children are fine everything is fine.

I would like to think of this movie like one of those athletics competitions with really young children. Dancing and spreading in skin tight outfits in front of cameras. Whatever makes them happy.

https://twitter.com/Nezbabi/status/1304148167865389056?s=20


Are you going to tell me with a straight face you don't see the difference between this and the way girls olympics/gymnastics is shot and covered?



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ArchangelMadzz said:
Barozi said:

I took a look at the true age of the actresses and 3 out of 4 seem to be 14 years old with only one being 12. So I guess you could deduct a year since the film was probably shot in 2019.

I mean it would be hard to cast 16-year-olds for this kind of movie.

I'm not saying this kind of movie shouldn't be made.

I'm saying they could've done it in a different way. 

This isn't necessary

Again I haven't seen the movie but since someone here claimed that there isn't even any nudity in the movie, I did some research and according to Forbes, the breast in that internet video does not belong to a minor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/09/12/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-netflixs-cuties-shows-child-nudity-in-call-for-doj-probe/#5de3c744c162

The rest seems to be exactly what the director was aiming for.

Here's an interview with the producer:

What was the inspiration for this project?
It came from Maïmouna’s personal experience. She grew up in a large family living in one room in the 19th district of Paris, in a social housing project. She regularly goes back to the neighborhood to see her family and in one of the local festivities she saw a group of young 11-year-old girls dancing very provocatively to an audience with many mothers wearing traditional head scarves. She found it fascinating and disturbing and it raised the question of what role models young women can follow. It’s a very visceral movie. It really got under her skin and we feel it.

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/zangro-sundance-cuties-1203467120/

So basically she wanted to film what she has seen in real life. Wouldn't work nearly as well if she casted 16-year-olds and pretended they were 14 in the movie.

Also seriously? 11-year-olds watching porn on smartphones? You have to be pretty naive to assume that this is uncommon.



Barozi said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I'm not saying this kind of movie shouldn't be made.

I'm saying they could've done it in a different way. 

This isn't necessary

Again I haven't seen the movie but since someone here claimed that there isn't even any nudity in the movie, I did some research and according to Forbes, the breast in that internet video does not belong to a minor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/09/12/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-netflixs-cuties-shows-child-nudity-in-call-for-doj-probe/#5de3c744c162

The rest seems to be exactly what the director was aiming for.

Here's an interview with the producer:

What was the inspiration for this project?
It came from Maïmouna’s personal experience. She grew up in a large family living in one room in the 19th district of Paris, in a social housing project. She regularly goes back to the neighborhood to see her family and in one of the local festivities she saw a group of young 11-year-old girls dancing very provocatively to an audience with many mothers wearing traditional head scarves. She found it fascinating and disturbing and it raised the question of what role models young women can follow. It’s a very visceral movie. It really got under her skin and we feel it.

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/zangro-sundance-cuties-1203467120/

So basically she wanted to film what she has seen in real life. Wouldn't work nearly as well if she casted 16-year-olds and pretended they were 14 in the movie.

Also seriously? 11-year-olds watching porn on smartphones? You have to be pretty naive to assume that this is uncommon.

No one is saying these things don't happen.

As I said, there's a clear difference between murder in movies and real life snuff films. This is a production where they're using real children. It would be different if it was an older actress that looked young and played a younger character.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
Barozi said:

Again I haven't seen the movie but since someone here claimed that there isn't even any nudity in the movie, I did some research and according to Forbes, the breast in that internet video does not belong to a minor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/09/12/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-netflixs-cuties-shows-child-nudity-in-call-for-doj-probe/#5de3c744c162

The rest seems to be exactly what the director was aiming for.

Here's an interview with the producer:

What was the inspiration for this project?
It came from Maïmouna’s personal experience. She grew up in a large family living in one room in the 19th district of Paris, in a social housing project. She regularly goes back to the neighborhood to see her family and in one of the local festivities she saw a group of young 11-year-old girls dancing very provocatively to an audience with many mothers wearing traditional head scarves. She found it fascinating and disturbing and it raised the question of what role models young women can follow. It’s a very visceral movie. It really got under her skin and we feel it.

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/zangro-sundance-cuties-1203467120/

So basically she wanted to film what she has seen in real life. Wouldn't work nearly as well if she casted 16-year-olds and pretended they were 14 in the movie.

Also seriously? 11-year-olds watching porn on smartphones? You have to be pretty naive to assume that this is uncommon.

No one is saying these things don't happen.

As I said, there's a clear difference between murder in movies and real life snuff films. This is a production where they're using real children. It would be different if it was an older actress that looked young and played a younger character.

to which I already replied that 3 out of 4 girls were 13-ish during the time they filmed it.

And I also mentioned that you probably won't find a 16-year-old, hell definitely not an 18-year-old, that looks like she would be anywhere near 11.



Barozi said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

No one is saying these things don't happen.

As I said, there's a clear difference between murder in movies and real life snuff films. This is a production where they're using real children. It would be different if it was an older actress that looked young and played a younger character.

to which I already replied that 3 out of 4 girls were 13-ish during the time they filmed it.

And I also mentioned that you probably won't find a 16-year-old, hell definitely not an 18-year-old, that looks like she would be anywhere near 11.

3 of the girls being 13 doesn't make it better lol 

I know some 20 year olds that look ridiculously young. And when I was 16 there were girls in my year in school that looked much younger than that. 



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ArchangelMadzz said:
vivster said:

I don't mind it at all if the children aren't hurt by it. So unless they were forced or coerced to do the movie I'm fine with it. That's also what separates a horror movie from real snuff. It's also what separates pedophilia from actual crimes. As long as the children are fine everything is fine.

I would like to think of this movie like one of those athletics competitions with really young children. Dancing and spreading in skin tight outfits in front of cameras. Whatever makes them happy.

https://twitter.com/Nezbabi/status/1304148167865389056?s=20


Are you going to tell me with a straight face you don't see the difference between this and the way girls olympics/gymnastics is shot and covered?

Depends on how you want to measure it. A pedophile will get off to both.

I absolutely have no issue with children behaving sexually suggestive. It's what children do, they ape adults. The actresses probably had a lot of fun doing this without thinking anything bad about it. Probably because it's nothing bad. It's just people dancing.

Last edited by vivster - on 16 September 2020

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