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shikamaru317 said:
Chris Hu said:

Hollywood had nothing to do with with it the movie is French.  Also l hate to burst your bubble but nudity isn't a big deal in Europe it really never was there are paintings that feature nude bodies since ancient times.

Note that I said "Hollywood and other filmmakers", I know Cuties or Mignonnes is French. Simply put the girls in this movie were sexually exploited for profit, both by the original filmmakers and by Netflix, there is no getting around that. 

I'm also well aware that nudity is less of a big deal in Europe than it is in the US, but perhaps it should be a bigger deal, if Europe's apathy towards nudity is allowing children to be sexually exploited for profit. Somebody mentioned another movie above, Blue is Warmest Color, saying that it got a 12 rating in France. The sex scenes in that movie are straight up pornography, just without any genitalia shown (breasts, butts, various sex acts from cunnilingus to fingering are shown though), how is that ok for a 12 year old to watch? I think perhaps France is a bit too lax with their ratings.

It's only fair. The US rates violence in movies actually very low compared to europe. In the US sexuality is a bad thing, but violence isn't apparently.



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shikamaru317 said:
Chris Hu said:

Hollywood had nothing to do with with it the movie is French.  Also l hate to burst your bubble but nudity isn't a big deal in Europe it really never was there are paintings that feature nude bodies since ancient times.

Note that I said "Hollywood and other filmmakers", I know Cuties or Mignonnes is French. Simply put the girls in this movie were sexually exploited for profit, both by the original filmmakers and by Netflix, there is no getting around that. 

I'm also well aware that nudity is less of a big deal in Europe than it is in the US, but perhaps it should be a bigger deal, if Europe's apathy towards nudity is allowing children to be sexually exploited for profit. Somebody mentioned another movie above, Blue is Warmest Color, saying that it got a 12 rating in France. The sex scenes in that movie are straight up pornography, just without any genitalia shown (breasts, butts, various sex acts from cunnilingus to fingering are shown though), how is that ok for a 12 year old to watch? I think perhaps France is a bit too lax with their ratings.

To be fair from what I could get out of the French Wiki page, it says 12 for the release in theaters and 16 for TV.

Also I've skimmed through the movie and there's a scene where a girl is posing nude for an art class and you can see genitalia.



I haven't seen the movie, just a single scene that someone posted on Twitter.
Netflix, the producers etc. can claim that the movie is actually about XY as much as they want; as others have already pointed out:

It's the constant close-up-shots that are so revealing.

Those close-up-shots make perfectly clear that the producers intentionally tried to fulfill the desires of pedophiles. Claiming that the movie is actually about cultural clashes of immigrants or whatever is about as credible as claiming that the famous german "Warum liegt denn da Stroh rum?"-porn movie is really all about pointing out the dangers of storing straw next to fuse boxes.



The problem with this movie is that actual pedophiles now have a legal movie they can watch to get their fix. Like what they hell. I'll never watch this shit movie but this just seems like content for pedos to watch rather than anything else. I hope no other movie like this gets made. I don't want pedos to have legal movies to watch on Netflix or any other service. And I don't think 11 or 12 or 13 year olds can give consent to film makers to film their private parts so in that sense it's kinda disgusting and amoral on the filmmakers part and even maybe grounds for legal action. I mean just hunk about the actors and what they'll think about it 10 years down the line? The entire damn movie is just bad news. The film makers spent hours making a movie that has scenes with closeups of kids private parts and them doing weird dance moves that provides legal content for predophiles to watch. The FBI and agencies around the world should watch out for people who keep rewatching this movie too many damn times..I can't believe who thought this was a good idea.



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If the purpose really is to criticize the sexualization of children, the point could have been made without having these elongated dance scenes, and several of them. Can't help but feel that this was done for the pleasure of some people. I don't like it. And I don't want to be the slippery slope guy, but I worry what kinds of doors this kind of thing will open for future films.
By the way, has there been any Muslim outrage about this? One would think there would be cities on fire by now.



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I usually am very lax concerning nudity and sex in movies. Who cares if some girls are dancing around.
On the other hand, pedophiles care. And this might be a problem. But honestly, perhaps it is not. I'm just thinking out loud here. Pedophiles are sick people, they are ill and need help. It is often tragic how they cannot help themselves with their pathologic sexuality. There is an awesome movie with Kevin Bacon playing a self-hating pedophile.
Perhaps having such a movie can be an outlet for sick people. I'm not outright saying that the movie will prevent sexual abuse of children, just musing how it can perhaps also have a positive/mitigating effect on people who cannot escape themselves. But I don't know the first thing about psychology. Could be that seeing such pictures drives the desire up in pedos.

If there were no pedos in the world, I would probably have no particular problems with the sexual things in this movie. But I surely have to watch it first.

The last thing I will say is this: Everybody who thinks children have no sexuality is sorely mistaken. It is part of you from the very beginning. It just changes over time for your whole life.



shikamaru317 said:
Chris Hu said:

Hollywood had nothing to do with with it the movie is French.  Also l hate to burst your bubble but nudity isn't a big deal in Europe it really never was there are paintings that feature nude bodies since ancient times.

Note that I said "Hollywood and other filmmakers", I know Cuties or Mignonnes is French. Simply put the girls in this movie were sexually exploited for profit, both by the original filmmakers and by Netflix, there is no getting around that. 

I'm also well aware that nudity is less of a big deal in Europe than it is in the US, but perhaps it should be a bigger deal, if Europe's apathy towards nudity is allowing children to be sexually exploited for profit. Somebody mentioned another movie above, Blue is Warmest Color, saying that it got a 12 rating in France. The sex scenes in that movie are straight up pornography, just without any genitalia shown (breasts, butts, various sex acts from cunnilingus to fingering are shown though), how is that ok for a 12 year old to watch? I think perhaps France is a bit too lax with their ratings.

On the contrary, nudity from adults shouldn't be a big deal for age ratings. A body is just a body and as adults they gave their consent, there is nothing wrong with a naked body. It is the excessive blood and violence that should be completely restricted, I think most people can agree that murder and excessive violence are not okay.



Jpcc86 said:
Im not interested in this film but my understanding is that its more about a cultural clash of a conservative immigrant family with western culture and the entire controversy/backlash is because people are not getting that point across because of Netflix's abysmal marketing messed up that concept big time. The posters certainly didnt help.

I thought this, until I saw camera zooms on 11 year olds spreading their crotches and slapping eachother on the ass, bending over etc.



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Cobretti2 said:
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If only people weren't so obsessed with sex. I can look at an 11 year old girl's chest and not have sexual thoughts about it, it's really not that hard. I haven't seen the movie but I can only assume that it's another case of adults being obsessed with sex and not realizing that children are asexual. Like when you send 10 year olds into a strip club. There is nothing wrong with that because they don't care either way. It's certain adults that should be shielded from sex, not children.

How are children asexual? Innocent perhaps and non the wiser. However for us that were more mentally mature, at a very early age in primary school I was hitting on girls at school trying to get them to go out with me. I guess it may depend on the country you grow up in on how progressive this topic is. Hell we even had sex ed classes in grade 4 to tell us about the birds and the bees. 

Yeah, 10 and 11 is a bit of a grey area. I myself was very sexually interested already when I was 10. However if you go down in single digits they definitely are asexual. To a point where you could show them explicit porn and they wouldn't know what to do with it.

Anyhow, the time at which children are introduced to sexuality is irrelevant. Children shouldn't be shielded at all. Because if you do you will get completely screwed up adults claiming everything is perverse and pedophilia. Hell, I'd wager that at least 90% of people who use that word don't know what it actually is.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
Jpcc86 said:
Im not interested in this film but my understanding is that its more about a cultural clash of a conservative immigrant family with western culture and the entire controversy/backlash is because people are not getting that point across because of Netflix's abysmal marketing messed up that concept big time. The posters certainly didnt help.

I thought this, until I saw camera zooms on 11 year olds spreading their crotches and slapping eachother on the ass, bending over etc.

Is there any objective reason why that would be a bad thing? I mean if it makes you uncomfortable for any reason, that's fine. Watching horror movies makes me uncomfortable, which is why I don't watch them. However no one seems to want to boycott them.



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