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JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Well you can say the same thing for Senran Kagura and DOA Xtreme. They dont have sex with anyone either and posing is not their only reason of being there. I dont think there are a more sexualized character than Bayonetta. Even to perform her big move requires her to reach climax ffs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg6dtbJPPq0

Never played Senren Kagura, but based on the trailer... We've got...

Girls dancing in bikinis for no clear purpose, absurd jiggle physics, an "upgraded dressing room" where you can choose to put characters in poses like "power butt" and power cleavage, dress them with things like "sexy sweater" and lingirie, there's jiggle physics on completely static images, characters twice pull objects from between their breasts, by my count 13 extreme cleavage close ups, and about as much of the trailer is spend on the fact that you can pose the girls to your liking as they do on the actual gameplay. Basically every character is dressed in a skimpy outfit with comically oversized breasts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nzBjXXcn7o

Compare that to Bayonetta where the trailer explains the backstory, shows some gameplay, and really doesn't showcase any sexuality. 

Basically... In Senren Kagura women being sexy (or whatever that audience thinks is sexy) is the entire point of the game's existence. Maybe they're not literally only there to be sexy (although there is a mode where they literally do do nothing but pose), but that's far and away their primary purpose (why else would there be jiggle physics in an image where the character is NOT MOVING). 

Bayonetta is an actual character with motivations and a purpose, starring in a game that is first and foremost designed to be a kickass action game. Her being a flirtatious tease adds flavor to the game, and is used somewhat sparingly, or at least WAAAAAAY more sparingly then Senren Kagura... which again, has 13 cleavage close ups just in the trailer.

There's a clear difference here. I can't see Nintendo publishing anything like that.

Nintendo was the only one who didnt censor the latest DOA Extreme on the Switch. Sony did on the PS4. I also think you are confusing sex objects with sexualizing. Bayonetta is not a sex object, but her whole character is based around sex. From her dominatrix look and personality to her poses and dances. 



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KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg6dtbJPPq0

Never played Senren Kagura, but based on the trailer... We've got...

Girls dancing in bikinis for no clear purpose, absurd jiggle physics, an "upgraded dressing room" where you can choose to put characters in poses like "power butt" and power cleavage, dress them with things like "sexy sweater" and lingirie, there's jiggle physics on completely static images, characters twice pull objects from between their breasts, by my count 13 extreme cleavage close ups, and about as much of the trailer is spend on the fact that you can pose the girls to your liking as they do on the actual gameplay. Basically every character is dressed in a skimpy outfit with comically oversized breasts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nzBjXXcn7o

Compare that to Bayonetta where the trailer explains the backstory, shows some gameplay, and really doesn't showcase any sexuality. 

Basically... In Senren Kagura women being sexy (or whatever that audience thinks is sexy) is the entire point of the game's existence. Maybe they're not literally only there to be sexy (although there is a mode where they literally do do nothing but pose), but that's far and away their primary purpose (why else would there be jiggle physics in an image where the character is NOT MOVING). 

Bayonetta is an actual character with motivations and a purpose, starring in a game that is first and foremost designed to be a kickass action game. Her being a flirtatious tease adds flavor to the game, and is used somewhat sparingly, or at least WAAAAAAY more sparingly then Senren Kagura... which again, has 13 cleavage close ups just in the trailer.

There's a clear difference here. I can't see Nintendo publishing anything like that.

Nintendo was the only one who didnt censor the latest DOA Extreme on the Switch. Sony did on the PS4. I also think you are confusing sex objects with sexualizing. Bayonetta is not a sex object, but her whole character is based around sex. From her dominatrix look and personality to her poses and dances. 

Not censoring a game is not the same as publishing it. As for censoring a game or not, I'm guessing that's a question being addressed by someone in middle management somewhere.

Generally, when people complain about sexualizing they are referring gratuitous sexualization, or objectification. So, if you're going to get hung up on terminology, feel free to sub in that word. As for her "whole character" being based on sex, I'd question if you played the game. There's a lot more to her than that in both games. Posing and wearing leather doesn't mean your whole character is based on sex. 



JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Nintendo was the only one who didnt censor the latest DOA Extreme on the Switch. Sony did on the PS4. I also think you are confusing sex objects with sexualizing. Bayonetta is not a sex object, but her whole character is based around sex. From her dominatrix look and personality to her poses and dances. 

Not censoring a game is not the same as publishing it. As for censoring a game or not, I'm guessing that's a question being addressed by someone in middle management somewhere.

Generally, when people complain about sexualizing they are referring gratuitous sexualization, or objectification. So, if you're going to get hung up on terminology, feel free to sub in that word. As for her "whole character" being based on sex, I'd question if you played the game. There's a lot more to her than that in both games. Posing and wearing leather doesn't mean your whole character is based on sex. 

Well if they are so afraid, then they wouldnt let it on their platform. The same one that has Mario and Zelda. Why does it matter if they are the one publishing it?

Also she is based around sex. Thats the joke. She is so overly sexualized that it becomes funny. 



KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

Not censoring a game is not the same as publishing it. As for censoring a game or not, I'm guessing that's a question being addressed by someone in middle management somewhere.

Generally, when people complain about sexualizing they are referring gratuitous sexualization, or objectification. So, if you're going to get hung up on terminology, feel free to sub in that word. As for her "whole character" being based on sex, I'd question if you played the game. There's a lot more to her than that in both games. Posing and wearing leather doesn't mean your whole character is based on sex. 

Well if they are so afraid, then they wouldnt let it on their platform. The same one that has Mario and Zelda. Why does it matter if they are the one publishing it?

Also she is based around sex. Thats the joke. She is so overly sexualized that it becomes funny. 

That's part of get character yes. That doesn't mean it's her whole character, or that she's based on that concept. If the game was about her banging her way through Europe in search of a good dicking, you may have a point. But... it's not.

As for why it matters if they're the ones publishing it or not, that should be pretty self evident. If Nintendo was taken to task for allowing DOA XTreme on their console (which I have nothing against btw, if you want to play a game for animated tits rock on), they could easily explain how running a successful platform requires that they allow some content they don't personally approve of, in order to maintain relationships with other developers. Or, they could also simply say that some guy in the marketing department should have stepped in to stop the release, but Chuck in marketing did a shitty job. They could point out how they let things like Tem Tem, which is a Pokemon competitor/knock off that they presumably don't like, on their platform, because being a platform holder doesn't mean you can ban any content you don't like, and that Nintendo does not endorse every game available on the Switch, and that the game doesn't represent the company's values blah blah blah.

On the other hand, if they actually paid for that content to be created, and presumably are paying for it to be advertised and are actively trying to get people to buy it, it's pretty much impossible to say that they do not endorse that product. Your platform can have games that you don't like or approve of. You by definition cannot publish a game you don't approve of.



JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Well if they are so afraid, then they wouldnt let it on their platform. The same one that has Mario and Zelda. Why does it matter if they are the one publishing it?

Also she is based around sex. Thats the joke. She is so overly sexualized that it becomes funny. 

That's part of get character yes. That doesn't mean it's her whole character, or that she's based on that concept. If the game was about her banging her way through Europe in search of a good dicking, you may have a point. But... it's not.

As for why it matters if they're the ones publishing it or not, that should be pretty self evident. If Nintendo was taken to task for allowing DOA XTreme on their console (which I have nothing against btw, if you want to play a game for animated tits rock on), they could easily explain how running a successful platform requires that they allow some content they don't personally approve of, in order to maintain relationships with other developers. Or, they could also simply say that some guy in the marketing department should have stepped in to stop the release, but Chuck in marketing did a shitty job. They could point out how they let things like Tem Tem, which is a Pokemon competitor/knock off that they presumably don't like, on their platform, because being a platform holder doesn't mean you can ban any content you don't like, and that Nintendo does not endorse every game available on the Switch, and that the game doesn't represent the company's values blah blah blah.

On the other hand, if they actually paid for that content to be created, and presumably are paying for it to be advertised and are actively trying to get people to buy it, it's pretty much impossible to say that they do not endorse that product. 

Ok, if you want to say its part of her character, then fair enough. Still doesnt make her any less sexualized though. A porn movie about a strong woman fighting men vs a porn movie about a woman just having sex with men for fun are both in the end just porn movies. Not sure what the plot has to do with anything.

Also there could be several reasons why Nintendo didnt censor it. Theres several games on the Switch with very sexualized men and women. It might be to keep a good relationship with developers, but then again it would mean they are not very worried about that kinda stuff. Nintendo has the final say in any game releasing on their platform. So in the end Nintendo would be the one blamed for it. 



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No, I like my games with some extra sexiness.



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KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

That's part of get character yes. That doesn't mean it's her whole character, or that she's based on that concept. If the game was about her banging her way through Europe in search of a good dicking, you may have a point. But... it's not.

As for why it matters if they're the ones publishing it or not, that should be pretty self evident. If Nintendo was taken to task for allowing DOA XTreme on their console (which I have nothing against btw, if you want to play a game for animated tits rock on), they could easily explain how running a successful platform requires that they allow some content they don't personally approve of, in order to maintain relationships with other developers. Or, they could also simply say that some guy in the marketing department should have stepped in to stop the release, but Chuck in marketing did a shitty job. They could point out how they let things like Tem Tem, which is a Pokemon competitor/knock off that they presumably don't like, on their platform, because being a platform holder doesn't mean you can ban any content you don't like, and that Nintendo does not endorse every game available on the Switch, and that the game doesn't represent the company's values blah blah blah.

On the other hand, if they actually paid for that content to be created, and presumably are paying for it to be advertised and are actively trying to get people to buy it, it's pretty much impossible to say that they do not endorse that product. 

Ok, if you want to say its part of her character, then fair enough. Still doesnt make her any less sexualized though. A porn movie about a strong woman fighting men vs a porn movie about a woman just having sex with men for fun are both in the end just porn movies. Not sure what the plot has to do with anything.

Also there could be several reasons why Nintendo didnt censor it. Theres several games on the Switch with very sexualized men and women. It might be to keep a good relationship with developers, but then again it would mean they are not very worried about that kinda stuff. Nintendo has the final say in any game releasing on their platform. So in the end Nintendo would be the one blamed for it. 

I don't know what Nintendo's stance is on these things. But, a company will be held more accountable for a product they wanted on their platform badly enough to pay for vs a product they just didn't object to enough to ban. Do you disagree with that? 

Porn is defined basically by the fact that people have sex in it. Bayonetta is not in any way porn.

Plot has to do with it, because we're talking about her character. Most of the aspects of her character, as in what kind of person she is, are revealed through the story. 



JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Ok, if you want to say its part of her character, then fair enough. Still doesnt make her any less sexualized though. A porn movie about a strong woman fighting men vs a porn movie about a woman just having sex with men for fun are both in the end just porn movies. Not sure what the plot has to do with anything.

Also there could be several reasons why Nintendo didnt censor it. Theres several games on the Switch with very sexualized men and women. It might be to keep a good relationship with developers, but then again it would mean they are not very worried about that kinda stuff. Nintendo has the final say in any game releasing on their platform. So in the end Nintendo would be the one blamed for it. 

I don't know what Nintendo's stance is on these things. But, a company will be held more accountable for a product they wanted on their platform badly enough to pay for vs a product they just didn't object to enough to ban. Do you disagree with that? 

Porn is defined basically by the fact that people have sex in it. Bayonetta is not in any way porn.

Plot has to do with it, because we're talking about her character. Most of the aspects of her character, as in what kind of person she is, are revealed through the story. 

Do I disagree. Well no, but I also think Bayonetta is the most sexualized character...

The porn thing was just an example. Just like a strong woman fighting angels and demons vs girls playing volleyball. What has the plot to do with the character being sexualized? Ok, so her game has a better story... Good for her I guess. The women in DOAX wants to win the volleyball game. Seems like a good enough motivation to me. Its not epic, but the game isnt an epic adventure. 



Because its easy to pick on gaming nowadays when it comes to woke/cancel culture. You have extreme leftists like people on Resetera, who actively push their agenda on a big scale, and go as far as cancelling or doxing companies/individuals if a game company doesn't support their ideals.

I'm glad we still have gaming companies like CD Project who aren't afraid to put something out there that can possible offend. If it suits their game and does not harm then so be it. I'm afraid we will see games like GTA 6 will be held back on its satire nature and take on cultural criticisms because of this.

Not to say that we shouldn't have some restraint in video games, its just that its rather disappointing to see that a large number of devs have joined the social bandwagon as of late; in holding back their designs, due to being afraid of outrage.

I say bring the sexiness back into videogames, and stop being so offended at every damn thing. This year has been so poo poo, people need to direct their hate onto other things, play some games and let others enjoy their hobby.

Last edited by hinch - on 06 August 2020

KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

I don't know what Nintendo's stance is on these things. But, a company will be held more accountable for a product they wanted on their platform badly enough to pay for vs a product they just didn't object to enough to ban. Do you disagree with that? 

Porn is defined basically by the fact that people have sex in it. Bayonetta is not in any way porn.

Plot has to do with it, because we're talking about her character. Most of the aspects of her character, as in what kind of person she is, are revealed through the story. 

Do I disagree. Well no, but I also think Bayonetta is the most sexualized character...

The porn thing was just an example. Just like a strong woman fighting angels and demons vs girls playing volleyball. What has the plot to do with the character being sexualized? Ok, so her game has a better story... Good for her I guess. The women in DOAX wants to win the volleyball game. Seems like a good enough motivation to me. Its not epic, but the game isnt an epic adventure. 

First of all, the difference is that volleyball premise was specifically an excuse to get the girls in bikinis.  Let's not pretend otherwise. I mean, they have a "butt battle" mode. When the scenario is designed specifically to give gamers a chance to ogle the characters, that's sexualization. There's a reason this isn't Dead of Alive Xtreme Soccer.

Second of all, it's not a matter of better story, it's a matter of the character actually having development and personality beyond "look tits". Wanting to win a game tells us very little about what kind of a person someone is. Going to hell to rescue your friend tells you a lot about what kind of person Bayonetta is. We also see through the story that she can be nurturing, clever, and compassionate. Being a tease is just one part of her personality, but there's actually others. 

Honestly... if you don't think this...

Is more sexualized than this...

Then that's a you problem. When you find the clip of Bayonetta and Jean getting in bikinis for a butt battle then rolling around in lingerie for no discernible reason, or rock climbing in a skirt to give the gamers a good lookie look, let me know. There's more suggestive posing in that 4 minute trailer than in both Bayonetta games put together.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 05 August 2020