Yeah so if we ARE playing that game why not include that Sony sold the PS2 for more than 10+ years. As far as 2013 in fact. 

Also, the PS2 being the first DVD player as a primary reason for many people is a fact. https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/playstation-2-japan-launch/

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“It was really a success from the start, the PS2 sold like crazy,” said Yoshida. “But when it launched in Japan, the best-selling software was actually the Matrix DVD.

“DVD was catching on but was still a very expensive system, and the PS2 came out with the same high quality DVD player capability with much lower, disruptive pricing.”

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PS2 didn't do great because of DVDs. DVDs did great because of PS2. People were buying games AND DVDS.

I have given you the reasonable on how much more sales you would need to justify the cut in price, and that count showed that it would be hard.

Where? Was it in another thread? Can't find it here.

Anyway, I doubt there is a hard cold count you go do to make it reasonable for me.

PS+ and PSN makes so much more money for them than just hardware profit, which is never the point of their consoles anyway.

More people playing on PS4 mean more subscribers, games sold and people to move their base from PS4 to PS5 when they can.

That's because the PS5 launches this fiscal year and the hardware will be sold at a loss. This will offset profits gained by the PS4 throughout the year.

There is no even small chance for Sony droping PS4 price to 149$ this year. In 2013 some websites reported that PS4 manufactering cost is 381$. After so many years it still wont be much lover than half of the intial manufactering cost (about 190$ now) They really dont need selling PS4 at lost now. 

Also the PS5 wont get the 199$ price point for a very long time, just look after PS4 - the suggested price is now 299,99MSRP, so hoping PS5 will get a 199$ in the near future is just "best wishes" 

And comparing PS1 or PS2 prices (at the end of their lifetime) to PS4 situation is just wrong. The market and technology situation is so much different now than back then. 

I dont get why some are diminishing the DS reaching 150 millions cause it's a "portable" while the PS2 only did it by going 99$ and people bought it for DVD player

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this... I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that there will be a PS5 (digital) for 399$, when the base PS4slim is still 299$.
It cant be real that theres only a 100$ differnce.

Sony need a super slim PS4 asap, and they need to set price to 149$.
And continue to make them, to sell to regions where they wont go for a 400$ or 500$ console.

Could be true and it might be about to hit a wall of shortages caused by the pandemic in two or three weeks. 

Where? Was it in another thread? Can't find it here.

Anyway, I doubt there is a hard cold count you go do to make it reasonable for me.

PS+ and PSN makes so much more money for them than just hardware profit, which is never the point of their consoles anyway.

More people playing on PS4 mean more subscribers, games sold and people to move their base from PS4 to PS5 when they can.

Another concern could be Lockhart. If SNY had a good idea it's been in the works and will likely launch, if it's cheap enough, then that could pose a bit of a problem for a PS4 SS. Even if SNY went with $100 drop to $199, if Lockhart lands at $299, some are going to have second thoughts about simply grabbing up a last gen PS4 SS.

Now for some, an extra $100 over a $199 PS4 will simply be seen as too much, since PS4 at $299 was already too much for them. However, since PS4 is also nearing the end portion of it's life span, Lockhart would be brand new and next gen capable, so some are definitely going to think about waiting and saving up for it instead.

There are more recent rumors that Lockhart is actually a little weaker than anticipated, 1080p only, no 1440p, and could cost as low as $199 with a subsidy, assuming MS puts the subsidy emphasis heavily on Lockhart and not XBSX. Even if Lockhart was $249 or $299, this may be seen as a losing battle and a lost cause for SNY, so forget about PS4 SS and focus on PS5 subsidies.

Then there's the whole Game Pass, Netflix style push for MS, which would go great with a cheap Lockhart. Sure it's more money yet, but it's spread out in smaller amounts over years, assuming you keep paying for the service to play over time. 

Whatever it is, digital spending is increasing. And that's all that really matters. I am sure sony would rather you buy from the PS store (thanks to sales) than have you go to GameStop and buy some used games (also on sale).

I don't personally believe sony would drop the price of the PS4 to $199. I think they would sooner make a revised PS4pro and sell that at $299 than to drop the PS4 price to $199.

This is because I sincerely believe any doesn't want people buying thePS4 after thePS5is released, so they would do everything they can to push people towards buying the PS5.

I also think you missed the point of the comparison, I am saying; no one should expect the PS4 to sell another 20M+ after the PS5 has released unless the PS4 will also somehow be priced at under $199. If it remains at $299, and there is a PS5 DE at $399, you pretty much have to be stupid to still buy a PS4.

I think it has something to do with consoles typically being a "one per household" type device whereas a handheld is a one per user type one. Most homes would have "one" Tv available to be used or games and what not and in turn, only one game console plugged into it. Handhelds however are just bout for all the kids. 3 kids, three Nintendo switches/DS bought for each one. Unless you want them fighting over it and destroying it. Three kids, one PlayStation and one TV bought for them.

Also, sPokEntRutH

If sony doesn't drop the PS4 price at all this year, then their intention is clear, they do not want anyone buying them anymore. Keeping it at $299 would actually accelerate the sales of a $399 PS5 DE. Not only does it make anyone buying a PS4fo $299 look stupid, it also means that people that have a PS4 and want to get the PS5 can sell their PS4/PS4pro for as little as $150/$199 respectively and just be adding around $199 o that to get a PS5.

Sony has said they intend to make the transition to the PS5 the fastest ever in a new-gen, I think this is something people aren't noticing.

Keeping Pro around makes less sense than slim... Pro was made more expensive to produce and to the ones that want best performance, that will be covered by PS5, so at most there would be space for a very budget conscious console and PS4 could be it.

True...

What I really believe though is that sony would leave the price of the PS4/PS4pro petty much a is. They would likely drop their prices by like $50 each (PS4@$249/PS4pro@$349) and cut shipments for the PS4 to a crawl.

And I believe they would do this to funnel new buyers towards a "cheap" $399 PS5 DE. There would be a lot of sub $200 PS4s in the used market from a lot of people moving onto the PS5. There is no reason for anyone holding onto their PS4 if buying a PS5.

Keeping the PS4 price kinda high just increases the perceived value of the PS5.

One thing that has to be taken into account is this is the first time we have seen BC become a permanent feature so PS5 playing PS4 software has to factor in to how they look at PS4 going forward my thoughts are they will emphasise the benefits of PS5 BC to both old and new customers, lessening one of the attractions of buying a console late in its life cycle that being having access to a large library.