$23B would be an all time record for any gaming company. Sony has somehow managed to grow their revenue despite it being an end of cycle/transitioning period. This is most likely due to their services and software sales continuing to grow or stay at incredibly high numbers.

I was wondering it it is possible for Sony to break near the $30B number with PS5. Main reasons being more digital within the PS userbase, PS5 outselling PS4, and further growth of first party.

I was basing it on being permanent going forward, but your right silly me, you are also right about price being king, still I was adding it as another reason to be  taken into account, I feel with their talk about moving people onto PS5 at a greater rate than PS4, they will put the brakes on the PS4 by emphasising BC taking away one of the benefits of late gen purchase and if they do that while keeping the price as it is now it may work.

Oh I agree with you entirely. And is what I have been saying.

Yes, we know that sony has been pushing this fastest transition to next gen narrative. Question is, how do they do that? Solution?

1. Do not drop the price of the PS4, leave it at $299. Drop the price of the PS4 pro to $349 but quietly discontinue it. 
2. Make sure there is a PS5 SKU at $399. 

That's it, keeping the prices of the PS4 as is, has the added bonus of further increasing the value proposition a $399 PS5. It also ensures that the PS4 holds its value in the used market. Why is that important? Because if a brand new PS4 costs $299, then a PS4 owner can sell his/her PS4 used for as much as $199 and it would be considered a deal. Even better when he bundles all his controllers and a few games to it.

That means that to that PS4 gamer going to the PS5, the PS5 would end up costing him/her only $199 if they are buying the DE SKU. That's how you get people to jump into the new-gen as quickly as possible. And of course, as you said, having BC plays a role. I would just add that it gives people that already ow a PS4 no reason at all to hold onto their PS4cosoles, so expect the used market to get flooded with P4s as no one is holding onto theirs.

The same nonsense goes on today with Switch vs consoles. Let alone now because of Switch Lite, comparing Nintendo numbers against true current gen consoles is utter nonsense.

Besides, to almost everyone who has a console (PS or Xbox) having 1 or 2 handhelds round makes sense. Nintendo handhelds are the devices that usually share buyers with consoles.

No surprise handheld gaming is the only way to go for Nintendo.

One would think this would be obvious. But yet, those comparisons keep coming up.

I mean, just looking at the Switch and the PS4, it's clear as day to see that those two consoles aren't in direct competition with each other. And then looking at the form factor, its also clear that they do not share the same use case.

You, I and Shadow1980 who pointed out the same thing yesterday on my other thread are the few "nutters", I guess.

I gave up pointing that out many times, because whatever argument on the lines that Switch is not exactly the same as Xbox/PS is most of the time taken as hate speech.

You might want to step out of that bubble.  The NES, which launched as the Famicom in 1982, wasn't discontinued in Japan until 2003.  That means it continued generating sales after the release of its successor (SNES), the release of its successors' successor (N64), and its successors' successors' successor (Gamecube).  (*say that 3x fast)  Even outside of Japan, it continued to generate impressive sales after the SNES released.

You see, when you start what you are saying like that, then everything else is wrong.

The Switch IS NOT a HOME CONSOLE. 

It can be used as a home console. And that right there is all the difference.

It doesn't matter if many people use it as their primary or only console. That's not our business and is subjective.

Speaking strictly factually and technically, what makes something a home console, and what makes it a portable/handheld?

I could answer this, but I am truly curious to see what you would say. Cause your answer could give me some insight as to why this concept seems to be so confusing.

Oh, and have you ever come across the concept of Direct and Indirect Competition? You probably should look it up if you haven't. But if you have, then I am really really curious to read what you have to say.

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On another note, I guess by saying eventually we won't even have game home consoles anymore you are referring to game streaming right? I'm not gonna get into that, but I will say this. everything game streaming needs to have to "work" as well as it can has been there since 2011. Think about that.

Ok. So the Switch is not a Home console, and its not a handheld. Its a hybrid console. Basically something that can be used as either of them.

Which means, again... its not a HOME console. But I didn't expect I would et a direct answer from you anyways. 

This is what I understand a home console to be. A home console is a set-top box that you plug into a wall for power and plug it into your TV. You have to have a TV for it to work, and it must always be tethered to the wall for power. Do you have an issue with this definition?

Now a handheld console, this is a device, designed to be carried in your hands and is portable. It does not require you to tether it to the wall case it has its own built-in power source, it also does not require you to plug it to a TV because it has its own built-in TV. You can take it out of the box and it already has everything to work as is without any other external factors. Do you have a problem with this definition?

Is it possible to plug a handheld into a TV too? Absolutely. Is it possible to take a home console and build an enclosure for it with a monitor and power source? Absolutely.

This is not a complicated thing at all. The switch can be used as a home console. But its just unreasonable, to say its one simply because it can be plugged into a TV, because that is the ONLY similarity it shares with other devices that are actually called home consoles. The Switch does not need a TV to work. The PS4/XB1/PS3/360/Wii/PS2/XB1/Gamecube...etc ALL do.

If you still can't see the difference, then I give up.

It's like smartphones and tablets. They can run basically the same software, but they're still different devices. PS is a very different device compared to Switch, by all means while PS and Xbox are absolutely similar. They're the only true direct competitors.

Your last paragraph about the similarity case is so true and obvious.

But anyway, I might be crossing the line here in derailing the thread, so I'll gladly shut up. Sorry. This discussion will never end anyway.