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BraLoD said:
twintail said:

Because they don't believe the increase in hardware sales will provide an increase in hardware revenue/ profit. 

They are clearly ok with sales as they are.

And why don't they believe that?

More PS+ subscribers is already enough reason to drop that price.

I can understand the PS3 as it was never that popular and PS+ was still small there, but now most sales come from PSN, and having a PS4 give people access to a whole lot of games to buy there.

I can't see why not just do it.

Unless there is a direct correlation between PS4s sold and PS+ subscriptions then sure. 

There's no guarantee that users coming in at a lower price will also become PS+ users. Lower income users are lower income. 

That's what I think anyways



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Barkley said:
OTBWY said:

You are confused indeed.

Seems more like you were confused and thought I was taking the side of people discrediting the DS's sales, when I was merely pointing out the "PS2 dropped to $99" was some BS argument in the validity of PS2 vs DS sales.

Both systems sold amazing, DS shouldn't be discredited because it was a handheld and PS2 shouldn't be discredited because of it's price or dvd.

That's kind of nonsense though, since when you look at your original comment that I responded to, you were clearly making arguments on the opposite of what you're pretending to be here right now. The first sentence you made was one for PS2 and against DS. The second was an attempt to disprove that it sold for many as a DVD first. Do you want me to bring back the comments you made?




OTBWY said:
Barkley said:

Seems more like you were confused and thought I was taking the side of people discrediting the DS's sales, when I was merely pointing out the "PS2 dropped to $99" was some BS argument in the validity of PS2 vs DS sales.

Both systems sold amazing, DS shouldn't be discredited because it was a handheld and PS2 shouldn't be discredited because of it's price or dvd.

That's kind of nonsense though, since when you look at your original comment that I responded to, you were clearly making arguments on the opposite of what you're pretending to be here right now. The first sentence you made was one for PS2 and against DS. The second was an attempt to disprove that it sold for many as a DVD first. Do you want me to bring back the comments you made?

Arguing that his points were silly is not the same as arguing that the points for the opposite side are correct.



BraLoD said:
Hardware numbers are abismal tho.
Seems like PS4 won't have legs like the PS3 didn't.
With the PS4 Pro the price actually didn't go down a cent this gen.
Seems like PS legs are a thing of the past now, keeping prices higher is what they want.

Most probably Sony will do a price cut, so that they can sell the PS4 to a lot costumers and make them spent money in their services......compensating for the money they will (most likely) loose having a low price tag for the PS5.



kazuyamishima said:
xMetroid said:
I dont get why some are diminishing the DS reaching 150 millions cause it's a "portable" while the PS2 only did it by going 99$ and people bought it for DVD player

Back in 2001 a General Electric Bulky DVD was around $99. The fancy DVD players were around $199-299 whilst a PS2 was $299.

When PS2 received the final price cut ($99 from $129) on April 2009, shipments were around 140-145 million units. 

Around 2011 the DS was as cheap as $49. 

facts!!

If you want to have some facts, the best selling software around the PS2 launch was the Matrix DVD and many bought it with the PS2.  It was that popular that 'the Matrix' became  the 14th best selling DVD ever (15 million copies in the US alone and the PS2 helped to reach that number)

The Japanese market went crazy for DVD thanks to the PS2  like it is mentioned in this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e27kjhZXQqE

Sony even tried to repeat it with the PS3 with marketing it as a blu ray player that enraged some fans on Vgchartz  well older forum members will remember https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC_Xex2CP6Q






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OTBWY said:
Barkley said:

If we're going to play that game then we could bring up that the PS2 launched at $299 while the DS launched at $149 and was dropped to $129 in less than a year.

The "PS2 was bought as DVD player" is a silly story. "By the end of 2000, players were available for under $100 at discount retailers. In 2003 players became available for under $50"

So by PS2 launched.... DVD Player was $99 while PS2 was $299.... by end of 2003 DVD player was available under $50. It cost 3 times as much to get a PS2 instead of just a DVD player.

Yeah so if we ARE playing that game why not include that Sony sold the PS2 for more than 10+ years. As far as 2013 in fact. 

Also, the PS2 being the first DVD player as a primary reason for many people is a fact. https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/playstation-2-japan-launch/

Quote: "

“It was really a success from the start, the PS2 sold like crazy,” said Yoshida. “But when it launched in Japan, the best-selling software was actually the Matrix DVD.

“DVD was catching on but was still a very expensive system, and the PS2 came out with the same high quality DVD player capability with much lower, disruptive pricing.”

"

PS2 didn't do great because of DVDs. DVDs did great because of PS2. People were buying games AND DVDS.



thismeintiel said:
OTBWY said:

Yeah so if we ARE playing that game why not include that Sony sold the PS2 for more than 10+ years. As far as 2013 in fact. 

Also, the PS2 being the first DVD player as a primary reason for many people is a fact. https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/playstation-2-japan-launch/

Quote: "

“It was really a success from the start, the PS2 sold like crazy,” said Yoshida. “But when it launched in Japan, the best-selling software was actually the Matrix DVD.

“DVD was catching on but was still a very expensive system, and the PS2 came out with the same high quality DVD player capability with much lower, disruptive pricing.”

"

PS2 didn't do great because of DVDs. DVDs did great because of PS2. People were buying games AND DVDS.

Can you actually read back what I said?

Giant facepalm. And giant facepalm to the like brigade, I know I am in a Sony thread but christ.




Bofferbrauer2 said:
PAOerfulone said:

So, VGC has sold units currently at 112.6 million as of July 25th and Sony has shipped units at 112.3 million units as of June 30th
After doing some math and crunching some numbers, I've got sold units at ~112 million on June 30th. So, that would leave ~300k still in retailers or in transit. Under normal circumstances, I'd think that would be way overtracked, but these are not normal circumstances for a number of reasons, so I don't think it's too far off the mark.

And those software numbers... Wow. Just, wow.

I still think it's overtracked, because I can hardly believe only 300k are in transit right now. Ships need weeks to reach port, especially the European ones, where Sony is selling the bulk of their consoles. Considering the console is selling over 150k a week and about one and a half months of transit, I'd say the console is overtracked by 500K-700K.

Could be true and it might be about to hit a wall of shortages caused by the pandemic in two or three weeks. 



 

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DonFerrari said:
BraLoD said:

And why don't they believe that?

More PS+ subscribers is already enough reason to drop that price.

I can understand the PS3 as it was never that popular and PS+ was still small there, but now most sales come from PSN, and having a PS4 give people access to a whole lot of games to buy there.

I can't see why not just do it.

I have given you the reasonable on how much more sales you would need to justify the cut in price, and that count showed that it would be hard.

Where? Was it in another thread? Can't find it here.

Anyway, I doubt there is a hard cold count you go do to make it reasonable for me.

PS+ and PSN makes so much more money for them than just hardware profit, which is never the point of their consoles anyway.

More people playing on PS4 mean more subscribers, games sold and people to move their base from PS4 to PS5 when they can.



DonFerrari said:
BraLoD said:

And why don't they believe that?

More PS+ subscribers is already enough reason to drop that price.

I can understand the PS3 as it was never that popular and PS+ was still small there, but now most sales come from PSN, and having a PS4 give people access to a whole lot of games to buy there.

I can't see why not just do it.

I have given you the reasonable on how much more sales you would need to justify the cut in price, and that count showed that it would be hard.

BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

I have given you the reasonable on how much more sales you would need to justify the cut in price, and that count showed that it would be hard.

Where? Was it in another thread? Can't find it here.

Anyway, I doubt there is a hard cold count you go do to make it reasonable for me.

PS+ and PSN makes so much more money for them than just hardware profit, which is never the point of their consoles anyway.

More people playing on PS4 mean more subscribers, games sold and people to move their base from PS4 to PS5 when they can.

Another concern could be Lockhart. If SNY had a good idea it's been in the works and will likely launch, if it's cheap enough, then that could pose a bit of a problem for a PS4 SS. Even if SNY went with $100 drop to $199, if Lockhart lands at $299, some are going to have second thoughts about simply grabbing up a last gen PS4 SS.

Now for some, an extra $100 over a $199 PS4 will simply be seen as too much, since PS4 at $299 was already too much for them. However, since PS4 is also nearing the end portion of it's life span, Lockhart would be brand new and next gen capable, so some are definitely going to think about waiting and saving up for it instead.

There are more recent rumors that Lockhart is actually a little weaker than anticipated, 1080p only, no 1440p, and could cost as low as $199 with a subsidy, assuming MS puts the subsidy emphasis heavily on Lockhart and not XBSX. Even if Lockhart was $249 or $299, this may be seen as a losing battle and a lost cause for SNY, so forget about PS4 SS and focus on PS5 subsidies.

Then there's the whole Game Pass, Netflix style push for MS, which would go great with a cheap Lockhart. Sure it's more money yet, but it's spread out in smaller amounts over years, assuming you keep paying for the service to play over time.