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Ka-pi96 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
40% tax in UK.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted to increase it even more. Someone gotta pay for all the socialism. Until the money runs out.

Only for people who earn over 40k a year. And the first 10k is tax free too so even if you were earning 40k you'd only be paying 30% tax (40% of 30k).

Sorry I thought we were only talking about gross rates. Net rates will change a lot from person to person. Still its pretty brutal.



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sethnintendo said:
@DonFerrari

How's the Amazon rainforest doing under your current administration?

Similar to how it have been doing before. And how is that any sympton of dictatorship?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

EnricoPallazzo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Only for people who earn over 40k a year. And the first 10k is tax free too so even if you were earning 40k you'd only be paying 30% tax (40% of 30k).

Sorry I thought we were only talking about gross rates. Net rates will change a lot from person to person. Still its pretty brutal.

Gross rates are just kind of worthless because no one pays them. My gross rate would be 22% federal and 4% state for 26% based solely on gross income but my effective tax rate is actually 20%. Given that most tax systems are progressive there really isn't a point in discussing how crazy high the number no one will pay is. 

Also, I currently pay about 5% of my income on health insurance so raising my taxes by 3-5% and getting me out of paying health insurance or greatly decreasing those payments would be a net benefit to me while also helping people outside myself. 



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Some polls I've seen seem to suggest that the majority of Americans would like to have a healthcare system similar to that of some European countries. To answer your question though, there is a percentage of Americans that equate socialism to communism and thus think it is bad.



Americans have been so indoctrinated into hating socialism that even something like social programs which aren't really socialist are easily dismissed. Unfortunately, without much pushback they've been able to rollback so many social services to the point that I don't even know how it'd be possible to reverse that trend.



 

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Torillian said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Sorry I thought we were only talking about gross rates. Net rates will change a lot from person to person. Still its pretty brutal.

Gross rates are just kind of worthless because no one pays them. My gross rate would be 22% federal and 4% state for 26% based solely on gross income but my effective tax rate is actually 20%. Given that most tax systems are progressive there really isn't a point in discussing how crazy high the number no one will pay is. 

Also, I currently pay about 5% of my income on health insurance so raising my taxes by 3-5% and getting me out of paying health insurance or greatly decreasing those payments would be a net benefit to me while also helping people outside myself. 

I can tell you that even though my paygrade would be 27,5% my effective rate is told to be like 18%, but with all the discounts on my paycheck I leave like 40% of my money with the government, and the company also gives an additional 30-40% equivalent of what I earn to the government as well.

For you to have an idea of workers wage versus government gain in Brazil.

For you to pay an employee with minimum wage plus basic benefits (health insurance, transportation and food), the employee end up costing like twice (because of social security, taxes and some other conundrums). Sure when you increase the wage of the employee the amount the company pay to the government in percentual decreases but that is substituted by the what the employee ends up paying for the government.

That is of course only looking at the taxes on the paycheck.

So when you look at the whole tax burden in Brazil they say it is about 40%, but I feel it is over 50%. Like we pay annual tax for keeping a car and an additional tax to use the car (plus high cost of insurance, parking and tool), we pay annual tax for having a house (besides tax to transfer, tax to register and income tax if you have any face value gain on a sale, let's say you bought for 100k and sold for 120k you pay tax on the 20k even if that was just inflation). It is just a very big snowball. And that is ignoring that most services and products have hefty taxes on them (usually over 30%).

example:



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Because Americans are individualistic and already hate taxes, nobody wants an extra 30%-50% of their paycheck to go into the pockets of the government (in comes freedom of choice). Though I do think we should have a more robust"safety net" healthcare system for those who can't afford, but the issue is the US is massive and costs vary state by state (just like minimum wage does) so it would be in the hands of the state government. European countries have the advantage that they're small in comparison to the US that they have a more collectivist mentality and the benefit that the cost of living/wages are more balanced than in the US too.



They hate it because they are made to hate it, its part of the propaganda they recieve on a daily basis. However, I believe most americans do no have an actual understanding of what socialism is or the fact that they have implemented several socialist practices to their society already and they do not realize it or take them for granted, such as public transportation, social security, medicare, public libraries, guaranteed public education, and several other public institutions. So while you can argue that a Social State is a terrible/good idea for whatever ideals you have, several of its most basic principles are already functional in modern society.



Europe has been in decadence for decades soon you will become China’s puppet, you can keep your failed system And mother merkel to yourself.



Yes, some certainly are. Some everyday Americans fear it, but the wealthy and politicians are very afraid of it.
Americans are brainwashed to believe having a few socialistic tendencies added to our economy would make our nation full-on socialist or even communist. They fail to realize that many developed nations in the world are social democracies (or at the very least closer to that than America is).
More than half of Americans support Medicare for All, Tuition-Free College, Higher Minimum Wage, Taxing the Rich higher but when you say that those have slight socialist tendencies they freak out. It's not the ideas that are unpopular, it's the association with socialism. I'm a social democrat who wants America to become a social democracy. It may happen in my lifetime, but it's gonna be a heck of a struggle.



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