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Immersiveunreality said:
snyps said:
Socialism is another word which means “government control of society’s infrastructure”. Since government is so trustworthy and efficient, people are foolish to be fearful of of socialism.

What this thread is referring to is socialized medicine. Not blanket socialism. Give government an inch and they won’t take more than it needs. So I say go for it. Doctors were so expensive for our ancestors before insurance.

Tax 30% of our personal earnings and think of how much more we’ll save compared to now!

Where did you learn that from?

It's like this here in Finland, a country of social democracy. The more you earn the higher the percentage you pay on taxes. I play 24% + other stuff like retiremend funds. If I earned a bit more it would easily be 30%. Some pay 40-50%.

I'm not complaining though, our school system, healthcare etc. is good. For now at least.



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KiigelHeart said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Where did you learn that from?

It's like this here in Finland, a country of social democracy. The more you earn the higher the percentage you pay on taxes. I play 24% + other stuff like retiremend funds. If I earned a bit more it would easily be 30%. Some pay 40-50%.

I'm not complaining though, our school system, healthcare etc. is good. For now at least.

Yes but he talked about socialized medicine so would be good if he gave the percentage we pay for healthcare etc instead of that,would give a more positive look on it.



Socialism? Don't you mean common sense?



Immersiveunreality said:
KiigelHeart said:

It's like this here in Finland, a country of social democracy. The more you earn the higher the percentage you pay on taxes. I play 24% + other stuff like retiremend funds. If I earned a bit more it would easily be 30%. Some pay 40-50%.

I'm not complaining though, our school system, healthcare etc. is good. For now at least.

Yes but he talked about socialized medicine so would be good if he gave the percentage we pay for healthcare etc instead of that,would give a more positive look on it.

Ah ok. I don't even know how much of it is for healthcare.

I forgot to add people with income do have to pay some money for medicine and going to public hospital, on top of paying taxes. And many people like me pay for insuraces too so we can go to private hospital for better and quicker service. Still, I don't mind paying if it means those less fortunate are taken care off. Makes my job easier too.

I'm not surprised if people from US find this crazy. But I still wouldn't call our system socialism. Socialism is evil :P



KiigelHeart said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Yes but he talked about socialized medicine so would be good if he gave the percentage we pay for healthcare etc instead of that,would give a more positive look on it.

Ah ok. I don't even know how much of it is for healthcare.

I forgot to add people with income do have to pay some money for medicine and going to public hospital, on top of paying taxes. And many people like me pay for insuraces too so we can go to private hospital for better and quicker service. Still, I don't mind paying if it means those less fortunate are taken care off. Makes my job easier too.

I'm not surprised if people from US find this crazy. But I still wouldn't call our system socialism. Socialism is evil :P

Here it is around 6-7 percent tax for everything healthcare i think.

bolded: Indeed,China has a socialist state and Russia too.

It can be good ofcourse but is open for many flaws.

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40% tax in UK.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted to increase it even more. Someone gotta pay for all the socialism. Until the money runs out.



EnricoPallazzo said:
40% tax in UK.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted to increase it even more. Someone gotta pay for all the socialism. Until the money runs out.

Only for people who earn over 40k a year. And the first 10k is tax free too so even if you were earning 40k you'd only be paying 30% tax (40% of 30k).



Every time socialism has been tried it fails. That’s because the government can’t possibly be efficient in managing it. Every example where entire economies collapse is due to inevitable government mismanagement.

People who want socialism like the idea of free stuff and aren’t willing to work for a better life like their forefathers. And they also tend to ignore the history which is that it’s good on paper but terrible in practice.

In Canada it’s a good combination. Semi high taxes for great government services but the economy is full capitalism. 

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Ka-pi96 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
40% tax in UK.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted to increase it even more. Someone gotta pay for all the socialism. Until the money runs out.

Only for people who earn over 40k a year. And the first 10k is tax free too so even if you were earning 40k you'd only be paying 30% tax (40% of 30k).

Is that new? I just tossed 50,000 gross income into a UK effective tax calculator and got 12,400 as the taxes which would be ~25%. 



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