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If they aren't they should be affraid of socialism. Destroy economies and lifes.



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NightlyPoe said:
JRPGfan said:

He was scarmongering about socialism.

That's not capitalism.

Have you seen the Picture of Ivanka + Trump marketing Goya Beans ?

Heh.  Posting on Twitter supporting a brand of beans is a lot of things.  Fascist doesn't make the list though.

Heck, their point was in favor of free speech (in this case the freedom to say nice things about Trump, but whatever), so it's pretty much the opposite.

Hes reduced the power of the office?

Very much.  Much of the executive branch's focus has been on unwinding regulations.  Even when he could have justifiably taken a more robust stand on the recent virus, the White House has generally defaulted to letting states decide what to do.

Then howcome anyone thats critical of him, gets replaced?

Are you under the impression that presidents make a habit of accepting in-house criticism?

Any investigation into him is stopped?

Oookay.  I'll just ignore the Mueller investigation, and the impeachment fiasco, and the New York investigation you'll mention in the next sentence.

What investigation into himself has he stopped?

Hes supoena'd for tax returns (law says hand them over) for a investigation and he doesnt?

That was literally just remanded by the Supreme Court to a lower court for further arguments last week.

Look how many people broke the law for him, and he just pardons them afterwards?

I'll grant you the Stone thing was ugly.  That's maybe one.

He's the only pardon or commutation for someone convicted since he's been in office, so he'd be the only one.

I'll also toss down a marker that I dislike the power to pardon in general.

He replaced people that are there to put a check on presidential power..... because hes the first one to reduce the power of office? nah... thats a lie.

Who the heck did he replace who puts a check on presidential power?  Can't be anyone in the executive branch because that's not their job.  Can't be the legislature, because he's doesn't control that branch.

So, what?  Judges?  That wouldn't be an expansion of power.

Probably not what you meant, but you seem to think that the president is subordinate to people in the executive branch, and I can't think of any president that would agree with that notion.

Also Nepotisme;

Who outside of Ivanka and Kushner are you talking about?  Both of them only hold advisor titles.

Oh, and I guess technically Melania, but I assume the Office of the First Lady doesn't count.

These are not the actions of "first president since Ford to significantly reduce the power of the office." ,
but a power hungry one, that thinks himself a King/dictator.

Again, the White House under Trump has been unusually passive in controlling stuff.

You're focused on reasons you don't like Trump.  Fair enough, but even if he's crooked as can be, it doesn't make him a fascist.  The two concepts are hardly synonymous.  He'd actually have to, y'know, exert control over the populace and suppress the opposition to gain that title.

Posing with some beans does not a fascist make.

And again I ask, what the heck does any of this have to do with capitalism?

In Brazil we have the oddiest fascist dictatorship in the world.

The president do say stupid things and do stupid things no question. But let's see how much of a dictator he is.

Media bash him all day, he counter attack with words (and get bashed for it as well), but media keeps free to do it - Dictator?

Congress bash him daily, but when he talks bad about any congressman he is accused of interfering in congress - Dictator?

Supreme Court have made a lot of sanctions on what he can or cannot do and he folded - Dictator?

When he say things he don't like about Supreme Court he is called fascist dictator (well nowadays anyone that say he is displeased by the behavior or the minister, and boy they have been doing dreadful things) and that everything he says is official communication from the executive and interference on the judiciary. When a Minister compares him to hitler and mussolini it is praised for his bravery and pointed that is his personal opinion not the Supreme interfering on the Executive. - Dictator?

He have been accused of not paving the way and ceding to the congress for the past 18 months or so (basically didn't interfere with the voting of laws and amendment) and that meaning he wanted all the power for him. And now that he started negotiating with congress and giving more quid pro quo (basically naming indications of the congress to executive areas for support on congress approval of projects) he is being accused of buying out congress and interfering. - Dictator?

Whenever he names someone of his trust or militar or right wing he is accused of dictatorship because seemly media and opposition parts expect him to name to trusted position someone from the opposition that will daily attack the president.

He have been criticized on three prongs, receive interference of the three prongs, but haven't interfere or forced those. So even if he have dictator inspiration he is the lousiest ever.

Dictatorship a Brazilian is very funny indeed as seems similar to Trump's dictatorship. It is that thing we have been saying for a long time, you keep calling things you don't like of dictatorship, homophobia, racism, misogyny, etc then those lose wait and when happen no one will care.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Immersiveunreality said:
snyps said:
Socialism is another word which means “government control of society’s infrastructure”. Since government is so trustworthy and efficient, people are foolish to be fearful of of socialism.

What this thread is referring to is socialized medicine. Not blanket socialism. Give government an inch and they won’t take more than it needs. So I say go for it. Doctors were so expensive for our ancestors before insurance.

Tax 30% of our personal earnings and think of how much more we’ll save compared to now!

Where did you learn that from?

It's like this here in Finland, a country of social democracy. The more you earn the higher the percentage you pay on taxes. I play 24% + other stuff like retiremend funds. If I earned a bit more it would easily be 30%. Some pay 40-50%.

I'm not complaining though, our school system, healthcare etc. is good. For now at least.



KiigelHeart said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Where did you learn that from?

It's like this here in Finland, a country of social democracy. The more you earn the higher the percentage you pay on taxes. I play 24% + other stuff like retiremend funds. If I earned a bit more it would easily be 30%. Some pay 40-50%.

I'm not complaining though, our school system, healthcare etc. is good. For now at least.

Yes but he talked about socialized medicine so would be good if he gave the percentage we pay for healthcare etc instead of that,would give a more positive look on it.



Socialism? Don't you mean common sense?



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Immersiveunreality said:
KiigelHeart said:

It's like this here in Finland, a country of social democracy. The more you earn the higher the percentage you pay on taxes. I play 24% + other stuff like retiremend funds. If I earned a bit more it would easily be 30%. Some pay 40-50%.

I'm not complaining though, our school system, healthcare etc. is good. For now at least.

Yes but he talked about socialized medicine so would be good if he gave the percentage we pay for healthcare etc instead of that,would give a more positive look on it.

Ah ok. I don't even know how much of it is for healthcare.

I forgot to add people with income do have to pay some money for medicine and going to public hospital, on top of paying taxes. And many people like me pay for insuraces too so we can go to private hospital for better and quicker service. Still, I don't mind paying if it means those less fortunate are taken care off. Makes my job easier too.

I'm not surprised if people from US find this crazy. But I still wouldn't call our system socialism. Socialism is evil :P



KiigelHeart said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Yes but he talked about socialized medicine so would be good if he gave the percentage we pay for healthcare etc instead of that,would give a more positive look on it.

Ah ok. I don't even know how much of it is for healthcare.

I forgot to add people with income do have to pay some money for medicine and going to public hospital, on top of paying taxes. And many people like me pay for insuraces too so we can go to private hospital for better and quicker service. Still, I don't mind paying if it means those less fortunate are taken care off. Makes my job easier too.

I'm not surprised if people from US find this crazy. But I still wouldn't call our system socialism. Socialism is evil :P

Here it is around 6-7 percent tax for everything healthcare i think.

bolded: Indeed,China has a socialist state and Russia too.

It can be good ofcourse but is open for many flaws.

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40% tax in UK.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted to increase it even more. Someone gotta pay for all the socialism. Until the money runs out.



EnricoPallazzo said:
40% tax in UK.
Jeremy Corbyn wanted to increase it even more. Someone gotta pay for all the socialism. Until the money runs out.

Only for people who earn over 40k a year. And the first 10k is tax free too so even if you were earning 40k you'd only be paying 30% tax (40% of 30k).



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Every time socialism has been tried it fails. That’s because the government can’t possibly be efficient in managing it. Every example where entire economies collapse is due to inevitable government mismanagement.

People who want socialism like the idea of free stuff and aren’t willing to work for a better life like their forefathers. And they also tend to ignore the history which is that it’s good on paper but terrible in practice.

In Canada it’s a good combination. Semi high taxes for great government services but the economy is full capitalism. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 16 July 2020

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