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NobleTeam360 said:
Some polls I've seen seem to suggest that the majority of Americans would like to have a healthcare system similar to that of some European countries. To answer your question though, there is a percentage of Americans that equate socialism to communism and thus think it is bad.

Well, according to Leninism it would be one step before communism, so they are not wrong in thinking it's bad.



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sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

Similar to how it have been doing before. And how is that any sympton of dictatorship?

You are right any form of government can burn the forest down to clear land for farmers (which soil will be worthless to farm in only a few years), allow timber companies to have free range and boot natives out of their land.  It's just only accelerated at an exponential pace under the current regime.  Brazil was military ruled for a long time.  Maybe you guys should go back to it because your country is corrupt regardless who is in power.

No government should burn the rain forest, they should all fight to preserve it and it is a shame that we could not do more to preserve it, although during certain periods of the years fires are absolutely normal and happen due to natural causes.

What really puzzles me is why so many people got interested in it out of a sudden, talking about the fires all the time, cover of magazines, bbc news etc. I wonder what was different in Brazil in the past 15 years that nobody paid attention to it, only now... It's an interesting conundrum indeed.



They don't. Most just equate socialism with communism, which us indeed bad.

The guy who made the popular systemic racism video has a good video explaining the corundum of capitalism and communism with socialism in the middle.



sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

Similar to how it have been doing before. And how is that any sympton of dictatorship?

You are right any form of government can burn the forest down to clear land for farmers (which soil will be worthless to farm in only a few years), allow timber companies to have free range and boot natives out of their land.  It's just only accelerated at an exponential pace under the current regime.  Brazil was military ruled for a long time.  Maybe you guys should go back to it because your country is corrupt regardless who is in power.

I see you have a very shallow knowledge of the hefty of our ambiental legislation and regulation, and that it really isn't worth to destroy forest and make soil for a couple years, but well carry on with whatever you know about Brazil. In meanwhile the brazilian dictator forbidden any burn of woods/forest for the next 120 days.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ka-pi96 said:
Torillian said:

Is that new? I just tossed 50,000 gross income into a UK effective tax calculator and got 12,400 as the taxes which would be ~25%. 

I mean I just used estimated figures, the tax free allowance and 40% tax threshold may be different than what I said.

It could also be that all of the income earned below the higher rate threshold is still taxed at the lower rate (which would actually make sense otherwise the difference between a pound below and a pound over the threshold would be kind of crazy).

That's usually how it works, but I wasn't sure if the UK worked differently than the US. In the US the money you make is all taxed based on the lowest possible threshold so your first 0-10k is taxed almost nothing while the 10-40k will get taxed more and so on and so on. This is part of why the idea of scoffing at a top marginal tax rate has no meaning because literally noone would actually pay it. 



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DonFerrari said:
sethnintendo said:

You are right any form of government can burn the forest down to clear land for farmers (which soil will be worthless to farm in only a few years), allow timber companies to have free range and boot natives out of their land.  It's just only accelerated at an exponential pace under the current regime.  Brazil was military ruled for a long time.  Maybe you guys should go back to it because your country is corrupt regardless who is in power.

I see you have a very shallow knowledge of the hefty of our ambiental legislation and regulation, and that it really isn't worth to destroy forest and make soil for a couple years, but well carry on with whatever you know about Brazil. In meanwhile the brazilian dictator forbidden any burn of woods/forest for the next 120 days.

People also need to know that deforestation does not happen because of one single goverment,it's more of a global responsibillity and even we as consumers take part in it.

Companies around the world and worldbanks stand behind deforestation,they invest in it and will surely put pressure on any goverment trying to forbid it for a while.



Torillian said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I mean I just used estimated figures, the tax free allowance and 40% tax threshold may be different than what I said.

It could also be that all of the income earned below the higher rate threshold is still taxed at the lower rate (which would actually make sense otherwise the difference between a pound below and a pound over the threshold would be kind of crazy).

That's usually how it works, but I wasn't sure if the UK worked differently than the US. In the US the money you make is all taxed based on the lowest possible threshold so your first 0-10k is taxed almost nothing while the 10-40k will get taxed more and so on and so on. This is part of why the idea of scoffing at a top marginal tax rate has no meaning because literally noone would actually pay it. 

In Brazil our income tax works in cascade.

Let's say you earn 10.000 a month, is married with 2 children and your wife doesn't work. Here is what it would look in Brazil (will use rounded just for idea).

Social Security, you pay 600 a month and that money is deducted from how much you are taxed

Dependents, you get another around 600 deduction

So the earning to be taxed is 8800.

The first 2000 is tax exempt

The next 1000 is taxed at 7,5%

The next 1000 is taxed at 15%

The next 1000 is taxed at 22,5%

The leftover 4000 is taxed at 27,5%

So from the 8800 you earn you pay 1600 in taxes.

This means that your effective tax is 16% (or if you want to consider after deductions 18%) instead of 27,5%.

Of course the more you earn the more you'll have taxed at 27,5% and closer you effective tax gets to 27,5%.

The biggest fight in Brazil by social democrats is to increase the income tax (that is exempt for low income people and not absurdly high for high income) while reducing or zero the taxes on goods and services (which usually ends up being much more significant and heavy for low income people and not so impacting for high income, even more when some of the most luxurious items have very little taxes).

Immersiveunreality said:
DonFerrari said:

I see you have a very shallow knowledge of the hefty of our ambiental legislation and regulation, and that it really isn't worth to destroy forest and make soil for a couple years, but well carry on with whatever you know about Brazil. In meanwhile the brazilian dictator forbidden any burn of woods/forest for the next 120 days.

People also need to know that deforestation does not happen because of one single goverment,it's more of a global responsibillity and even we as consumers take part in it.

Companies around the world and worldbanks stand behind deforestation,they invest in it and will surely put pressure on any goverment trying to forbid it for a while.

Very true, also while population grow need for food and goods also grow and technology and efficiency helps some but you'll also need bigger areas to meet that need.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
sethnintendo said:

You are right any form of government can burn the forest down to clear land for farmers (which soil will be worthless to farm in only a few years), allow timber companies to have free range and boot natives out of their land.  It's just only accelerated at an exponential pace under the current regime.  Brazil was military ruled for a long time.  Maybe you guys should go back to it because your country is corrupt regardless who is in power.

I see you have a very shallow knowledge of the hefty of our ambiental legislation and regulation, and that it really isn't worth to destroy forest and make soil for a couple years, but well carry on with whatever you know about Brazil. In meanwhile the brazilian dictator forbidden any burn of woods/forest for the next 120 days.

Next 120 days well guess that is a start?  

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-idUSKBN24B1VG

"Deforestation in Brazil’s Amazon rose for the 14th consecutive month in June, preliminary government data on Friday showed, heaping further pressure on President Jair Bolsonaro who is under fire for worsening destruction of the rainforest on his watch.

Destruction rose 10.7% percent for the month, compared to June 2019, according to national space research agency Inpe. In the first six months of the year, deforestation is now up 25% to 3,066 square kilometers (1,184 square miles), agency data showed."

I see he called in the military earlier this year than last year to try and "protect" it. 

Like you said I don't know that much about Brazil just like you don't know much about my country.  Both countries we live in are corrupt.  I at least acknowledge the corruption and bullshit of my government.



sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

I see you have a very shallow knowledge of the hefty of our ambiental legislation and regulation, and that it really isn't worth to destroy forest and make soil for a couple years, but well carry on with whatever you know about Brazil. In meanwhile the brazilian dictator forbidden any burn of woods/forest for the next 120 days.

Next 120 days well guess that is a start?  

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-idUSKBN24B1VG

"Deforestation in Brazil’s Amazon rose for the 14th consecutive month in June, preliminary government data on Friday showed, heaping further pressure on President Jair Bolsonaro who is under fire for worsening destruction of the rainforest on his watch.

Destruction rose 10.7% percent for the month, compared to June 2019, according to national space research agency Inpe. In the first six months of the year, deforestation is now up 25% to 3,066 square kilometers (1,184 square miles), agency data showed."

I see he called in the military earlier this year than last year to try and "protect" it. 

Like you said I don't know that much about Brazil just like you don't know much about my country.  Both countries we live in are corrupt.  I at least acknowledge the corruption and bullshit of my government.

My country probably is even more corrupt than yours, didn't dispute that. Just asked for what does that have to do with my pointing that for as obtuse as our president may be and even for as most as he may wishes to be a dictator there really isn't any action he took that could be put as fascist dictator, and people that say he is doing that are just really taking the power and negative meaning of these two stuff and making it mean "if you disagree with me you are a fascist" similar to how some american used the "if you disagree with me you are a communist".

The ambiental protection and law in brazil needs to be severely improved to have a real GOOD impact, so that deflorestation doesn't keep increasing and the use of soil is better done. But really the most people can point that Bolsonaro did to increase deflorestation is his speech or some changes in institutes, still he didn't pass any law or pardoned criminals in the area. So yes he didn't do much good on the area but also isn't culprit for the worsening. And unfortunately media expend so much energy attacking him for everything and external media go with imprecise information that we go the way of misinformation and worse yet credibility issue for when the media attacks him for real bad stuff he may do.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Republicans and boomers are very afraid of socialism. Mostly because they were privy to the notion that if you work hard you can succeed and if you don't succeed then you're lazy, cold war era propaganda, and extremely low cost of living.

The world is quite different today. I have high confidence in gen z who score very high on empathy and very low on religion. We are heading in the right direction.