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Ka-pi96 said:
Socialism? Don't you mean common sense?

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Older generations do for sure. They got told all the time that socialism is bad, anything resembling anything from socialism is bad, and that the state and everything it does is bad (unless it's military, then it's supposed to be the best thing ever) but to such ridiculous degree that it's been equalized to the devil or even worse stuff. This meant things like government programs like healthcare which have no authoritarian (police and intelligence, like the FBI, CIA, NSA) or propagandist (NASA during the space race) got cut down, most notably healthcare and unemployment support. Mandated Vaccines also were considered a form of government control and the beginning of the Anti-Vaxxer movement. Unions also got almost destroyed and outlawed as fighting for worker's rights was considered something like a soviet ploy to take over the country. Seriously, just have a look at the caricatures under McCarthyism and judge by yourself.

Millenials and Z however grew up at a time where the Soviet union was dissolved and with it, the "great threat" that always got pointed at the people when they wanted to point at bad things for socialism or even just social programs disappeared with it. Instead, they got screwed over by capitalism, thrice by now, in just a dozen years. First by the financial crisis which made it very difficult for the Millenials who were coming of age at the time to get a job, then by 10 years of wage stagnation despite employment reaching new lows at the end, followed by Covid-19 and it's effects on both the economy and health, plus showing exactly why tying healthcare to your employer is such a bad idea and why the total lack of regulation in terms of healthcare just a tinderbox was that was waiting to explode.

Long story short, almost all Boomers/Silent in the US do, most of the X-ers do, but Millenials and Z, which had been screwed over by capitalism, increasingly trend to the contrary.

gamingsoul said:
Europe has been in decadence for decades soon you will become China’s puppet, you can keep your failed system And mother merkel to yourself.

If Europe has a failed system, then what would the one in the US be? A total catastrophe and train wreck or what?

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gamingsoul said:
Europe has been in decadence for decades soon you will become China’s puppet, you can keep your failed system And mother merkel to yourself.

Well it might have economic benefits over being america's puppet.



DonFerrari said:
sethnintendo said:
@DonFerrari

How's the Amazon rainforest doing under your current administration?

Similar to how it have been doing before. And how is that any sympton of dictatorship?

You are right any form of government can burn the forest down to clear land for farmers (which soil will be worthless to farm in only a few years), allow timber companies to have free range and boot natives out of their land.  It's just only accelerated at an exponential pace under the current regime.  Brazil was military ruled for a long time.  Maybe you guys should go back to it because your country is corrupt regardless who is in power.



NobleTeam360 said:
Some polls I've seen seem to suggest that the majority of Americans would like to have a healthcare system similar to that of some European countries. To answer your question though, there is a percentage of Americans that equate socialism to communism and thus think it is bad.

Well, according to Leninism it would be one step before communism, so they are not wrong in thinking it's bad.



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sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

Similar to how it have been doing before. And how is that any sympton of dictatorship?

You are right any form of government can burn the forest down to clear land for farmers (which soil will be worthless to farm in only a few years), allow timber companies to have free range and boot natives out of their land.  It's just only accelerated at an exponential pace under the current regime.  Brazil was military ruled for a long time.  Maybe you guys should go back to it because your country is corrupt regardless who is in power.

No government should burn the rain forest, they should all fight to preserve it and it is a shame that we could not do more to preserve it, although during certain periods of the years fires are absolutely normal and happen due to natural causes.

What really puzzles me is why so many people got interested in it out of a sudden, talking about the fires all the time, cover of magazines, bbc news etc. I wonder what was different in Brazil in the past 15 years that nobody paid attention to it, only now... It's an interesting conundrum indeed.



They don't. Most just equate socialism with communism, which us indeed bad.

The guy who made the popular systemic racism video has a good video explaining the corundum of capitalism and communism with socialism in the middle.



sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

Similar to how it have been doing before. And how is that any sympton of dictatorship?

You are right any form of government can burn the forest down to clear land for farmers (which soil will be worthless to farm in only a few years), allow timber companies to have free range and boot natives out of their land.  It's just only accelerated at an exponential pace under the current regime.  Brazil was military ruled for a long time.  Maybe you guys should go back to it because your country is corrupt regardless who is in power.

I see you have a very shallow knowledge of the hefty of our ambiental legislation and regulation, and that it really isn't worth to destroy forest and make soil for a couple years, but well carry on with whatever you know about Brazil. In meanwhile the brazilian dictator forbidden any burn of woods/forest for the next 120 days.



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Torillian said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Only for people who earn over 40k a year. And the first 10k is tax free too so even if you were earning 40k you'd only be paying 30% tax (40% of 30k).

Is that new? I just tossed 50,000 gross income into a UK effective tax calculator and got 12,400 as the taxes which would be ~25%. 

I mean I just used estimated figures, the tax free allowance and 40% tax threshold may be different than what I said.

It could also be that all of the income earned below the higher rate threshold is still taxed at the lower rate (which would actually make sense otherwise the difference between a pound below and a pound over the threshold would be kind of crazy).



Ka-pi96 said:
Torillian said:

Is that new? I just tossed 50,000 gross income into a UK effective tax calculator and got 12,400 as the taxes which would be ~25%. 

I mean I just used estimated figures, the tax free allowance and 40% tax threshold may be different than what I said.

It could also be that all of the income earned below the higher rate threshold is still taxed at the lower rate (which would actually make sense otherwise the difference between a pound below and a pound over the threshold would be kind of crazy).

That's usually how it works, but I wasn't sure if the UK worked differently than the US. In the US the money you make is all taxed based on the lowest possible threshold so your first 0-10k is taxed almost nothing while the 10-40k will get taxed more and so on and so on. This is part of why the idea of scoffing at a top marginal tax rate has no meaning because literally noone would actually pay it. 



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