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Alby_da_Wolf said:

Less educated Americans can't tell marxism-leninism from social democracy, the former is always totalitarian and accepts also violence as an instrument to seize power, the latter is by definition democratic, social democratic parties govern when they win the elections and they typically realise a social democracy when they govern a country for enough time, but typically people stop or pause them electing liberal democrats or other centre, centre-right or right wing parties when they feel social democrats are going too far with expenditures and/or taxes or bureaucracy or excessive interference of the state in private life.

Yes it would be best that the title of this thread gets corrected because the OP is not aware he asks a totally different question than intended.

But yeah i support social democracy,socialism a bit less because i do not want to risk working at one of Apples sweatshops for the rest of my life :p



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NightlyPoe said:
sethnintendo said:

@NightlyPoe

Unwinding environmental regulations isn't reducing the power of the presidency.  You are full of shit if you think trump has relinquished any power of the presidency which has only grown in the past decades.

Let me give you one example of him overstepping the "boundaries" of the power of the president.  Take his stupid wall.  Congress has the power of the purse and decides where money is spent.  Congress didn't give him the money he wanted for his wall even after shutting down the government for a couple weeks so he has the department of defense pull money away from other programs to fund his wall.

If you want more examples then I'll gladly give you more.

I agree about the wall.  However, moving budgets around is not abnormal for presidents and certainly wasn't expanding the president's power and is, in the scheme of things, a rather small action.

It is nothing compared to Bush's expansion of power post-9/11 or Obama's expansive view of his authority to read laws (yes, including environmental regulations) and issue executive orders.

Trump's presidency has had an oddly light touch.

Okay how about asking an ally to announce an investigation on a political opponent and to hold military aid until people in Congress (some in his own party) start questioning why the aid is being held up?   I can't remember the last time that has happened.



JRPGfan said:
Eagle367 said:

I would say social democracy is Capitalism with elements of socialism while democratic socialism is socialism with elements of Capitalism. But all of these are bookish terms because who cares whether it;s Capitalism, socialism or communism or any other ism. As long as it is to the benefit of humanity, every policy that works should be adopted and every one that doesn't should be discarded. You can call the hybrid "Satan incarnate" and it shouldn't matter because it is serving the people well. As long as the world is such that every human being lives in dignity and can afford to live and provide for their family while working only one job, I don't give two hoots about the system's name that did it. 

That's the problem with Americans. They have restricted themselves to some really good ideas by demonizing political terminology

You might choose a better name for whatever system you wanted, instead of "satan incarnate".
Imagine a neoliberal evangelical, voteing for a system called such? I have a hard time seeing it.

I was obviously using hyperbole. I myself am a Muslim so not a big fan of the fallen djinn that once lead angels,



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

Some of the takes on this thread are so bad and so full of propaganda and bad takes that I don't know where to start to reply to them. I will say though that the US has socialism already. It has corporate socialism. Socialize the losses and privatize the profits. Get an oligarchy in the guise of "free market" Capitalism when there's no such thing as a "free market."



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

I mean. I made this thread in first place because I've been reading many articles saying the Black Lives Matter movement want to erase the great history of America and stabilish socialism. And with this comes the idea That any progressist idea of any kind will lead to communism/socialism at one point so any hint of social rights should be seen with distrust.

And this goes to Public Healthcare, same sex marriage, transgender rights, workers right in general, sex workers rights in specific and even racial equality to some extent. It's not very different from what we are seeing in Brazil as of late (Brazilian here).



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Eagle367 said:
JRPGfan said:

You might choose a better name for whatever system you wanted, instead of "satan incarnate".
Imagine a neoliberal evangelical, voteing for a system called such? I have a hard time seeing it.

I was obviously using hyperbole. I myself am a Muslim so not a big fan of the fallen djinn that once lead angels,

It is interesting that Lucifer was one of Gods highest tier servants,like at the very top.

I myself am not really attached to a religion but i often ask questions about its content(i talk about it often with a friend who is a priest) so in this case i would like to know if you have considered the motive for God to keep this servant at his side while he as God himself must have known the path Lucifer was going to walk?



Eagle367 said:
Some of the takes on this thread are so bad and so full of propaganda and bad takes that I don't know where to start to reply to them. I will say though that the US has socialism already. It has corporate socialism. Socialize the losses and privatize the profits. Get an oligarchy in the guise of "free market" Capitalism when there's no such thing as a "free market."

Talk about a bad take.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

For perspective I pay 400 BRL for health insurance that cover virtually everything I May ever need. From specialized doctors, emergency care, surgeries, psychotherapy, odontological care everything. I do have to pay 30% co-pay but it's irrisory considering how much I would paying it directly. And if I ever get some serious disease like cancer or happen to suffer a serious life threatening accident like a car crash I don't have to pay a penny to get full treatment.

In USA I already read some bizarre cases of people spending millions on cancer treatment or getting involved in a car crash and after they survive and leave the hospital the have a 50k bill to pay.



invetedlotus123 said:
I mean. I made this thread in first place because I've been reading many articles saying the Black Lives Matter movement want to erase the great history of America and stabilish socialism. And with this comes the idea That any progressist idea of any kind will lead to communism/socialism at one point so any hint of social rights should be seen with distrust.

And this goes to Public Healthcare, same sex marriage, transgender rights, workers right in general, sex workers rights in specific and even racial equality to some extent. It's not very different from what we are seeing in Brazil as of late (Brazilian here).

That is understandable when the wrong terms are used so much,and there is a lack of education on this matter.

Imagine if nazi and nazism were used to describe completely different topics and one of them being good,a lot of confusion will happen.



Nautilus said:
Who isn't afraid of socialism?

Its a facism regime that killed hundreds of millions of people. Everyone should be very afraid of it.

*facepalm*

Nazi germany wasnt socialism though....

You know how when you want to sell something bad, as something good to fool people? you find a innocnent name for it?
National socialism (nazism) is just that. It had nothing to do with socialism, so you cannot call it socialism, without being dishonest about things.

Since you dont know what socalism or facism is:

Facism:

"a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
+
"a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control "

Nationalism, is basically patriotism. Differnt worlds, more or less same meaning.
A Regim that puts nation & race, above the individuals.

Who runs his Presidency campagne on "america first!" ?
uses racism, patriotism..., won by mainly getting just the "white" vote?



"a dictatorial leader, severe economic and regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

""a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control"

Trump is all about all about Autocracy (authority or rule of the president, one person possesses near unlimited power (unchecked power))
He wishes he had unlimited power, and is working his way to towards it.


Typically alot of these autocrats, and facists, attack journalists, because their "truth" is the only one the public needs to hear.
Remember "Fake news!" ? Seeing the police attacking journalist, during the protests, actively targeting them?

Trump is friends with white power groups.

Atleast back when he ran in 2016.
People in his campagne, were people with ties to white power groups.
Hes since distanced himself from them...

But then theres the tale of his ex-wife, saying he slept with a book on hilter, and his speeches by his bedside.
(and loved to read the speeches before going to sleep)


"....and forcible suppression of opposition"

Remeber when he chanted "lock her up" about his political oppenent? And Trump followers gladly followed his lead?
He asked for russia to hack her emails on live tv, hopeing the russians got dirt on her.
He asked Ukraine on intel on Joe Biden...

Trump isn't far from facism, autocracy, nazism.

"Its a facism regime that killed hundreds of millions of people. Everyone should be very afraid of it."

Then you should take note, when people say, they see the current president heading down the rabbit hole, of being a facist.
Germany just like trump supporters, didnt see the danger, until it was too late.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 17 July 2020