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Darwinianevolution said:
Seeing that many people are cancelling the game because they didn't like the way the story will move forward, I wonder if some people may consider the leak a good thing. After all, isn't it better to get the bad news early and save yourself money and time than paying and playing a game you won't like in the end?

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Shaunodon said:

Well I've honestly bounced between both sides of this argument today. When I first started reading these things about some leaks and a disgruntled employee, all I saw mentioned in these threads was that he was upset about crunch or being fired. The only opinion I had was regardless of the work conditions and whether he just wanted to hurt ND, it was a blatantly immature act that just hurts everyone including fans and his future career.

I recently however read a snippet from an interview that actually gave a very different angle. I can't post it here because it contains spoilers, but I'll quote the safe bits of the article:

“I don’t doubt, even for a moment, that this leak came from the studio. The Last of Us Part 2 is very divisive and, as you can imagine, some of the team aren’t really thrilled to be working on the game.”

The source goes on to talk about how stale the work environment has been at Naughty Dog and how so many people have had to bite their tongues because ‘cancel culture’ is very much alive inside of the studio.

[Paragraph with potential spoilers skipped]

“The team is very much divided on the game, and even voicing your concerns on its story will upset certain individuals; it usually results in said person being called closed-minded or even phobic, or some such nonsense. Some people literally have to bite their tongues or fear losing their jobs, even careers, to an outrage mob.”

Our source also alleged that the high turnover in staff is because of the reasons mentioned above. “What’s really sad is that nobody is allowed to talk about any of this. Many employees have left Naughty Dog because in-house politics and they are under a strict NDA and absolutely cannot discuss the studio’s ‘productions practices’ secrets. Oops!”

Naughty Dog Inc., has a turnover rate of 70% which skyrocketed around the time The Last of Us Part II went into production. Our source’s claims have been corroborated by a former Naughty Dog animator, Jonathon Cooper, who left them in early October last year.

Jonathon Cooper alleged that Neil Druckmann would force employees to sign a very strict NDA upon leaving Naughty Dog or he’d withhold their final paycheck.

A source added: “It was primarily the senior team that left Naughty Dog and to assume that it’s because of ‘long working hours’ is laughable. Anybody that has ever worked in game development knows that this is crock of shit. Since I can remember, development has always been like this; get to work, chug coffee and don’t leave until you’ve completed the task that you’ve been assigned for the day. It’s a part of the fun. It’s a part of the lifestyle. What’s not fun is working in a toxic environment.”

Very interesting to see a whole different perspective. While at first it was easy to question why a disgruntled employee would launch a kamikaze attack just to get back at his employer, it becomes very different if we instead look at the angle of, maybe his career was already in danger. Maybe instead of just trying to take one last shot at an employer, he was actually trying to shed some light on a toxic situation?

So far this is just some vague allegations, containing a lot of common buzzwords, from some unnamed sources, but the one thing I could say lends this any credibility is how divisive reactions to the leaks have been. Honestly, that might be underselling it, because most of what I've seen has been very negative.

Sounds like ND is becoming far left woke. Which ironically aren’t tolerant of differing opinions. The idea you can’t internally have a dialogue about the game without putting your career at risk and being called a bigot must be hard. I guarantee that can take its toll more then crunch hours because let’s be honest, they knew that when they entered the field. When you a woke developer your games story is either love or hate. There is no in between. 

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Darwinianevolution said:
Seeing that many people are cancelling the game because they didn't like the way the story will move forward, I wonder if some people may consider the leak a good thing. After all, isn't it better to get the bad news early and save yourself money and time than paying and playing a game you won't like in the end?

Well I don't get why people pre-order games at all.

You get the buggiest experience, you'll have to download and install more patches than someone who joins later, you pay full price for something that will quickly drop in price a few weeks/months later and you don't have access to reviews or other people's opinions which would've possibly conviced you not to buy the game (kinda like the leak here).



Darwinianevolution said:
Seeing that many people are cancelling the game because they didn't like the way the story will move forward, I wonder if some people may consider the leak a good thing. After all, isn't it better to get the bad news early and save yourself money and time than paying and playing a game you won't like in the end?

That’s really interesting because it brings up the idea of why we play. I’m sure the gameplay is world class. Since it’s a narrative driven game does the story carry equal or more weight then the actual gameplay? Guess everyone is different but I’m curious where people stand. 



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sales2099 said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Seeing that many people are cancelling the game because they didn't like the way the story will move forward, I wonder if some people may consider the leak a good thing. After all, isn't it better to get the bad news early and save yourself money and time than paying and playing a game you won't like in the end?

That’s really interesting because it brings up the idea of why we play. I’m sure the gameplay is world class. Since it’s a narrative driven game does the story carry equal or more weight then the actual gameplay? Guess everyone is different but I’m curious where people stand. 

Can only speak for Mass Effect 3 which was still an excellent game and had the best gameplay of the series. Yeah the ending was disappointing but that didn't stop me from enjoying the game or series as a whole. I don't think it ruined the series. Similar to how I think the TV series Lost wasn't ruined by the (definitely imperfect) ending.

However, I can see why people would get really mad at the story decisions of TLoU2.



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I read they upset alot of the christian team designers, other left, due to anti christian themes and went to far, but when questioned on certain uncomfortable scenes , they were told to shut up about it or labelled "homophobic" .



sales2099 said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Seeing that many people are cancelling the game because they didn't like the way the story will move forward, I wonder if some people may consider the leak a good thing. After all, isn't it better to get the bad news early and save yourself money and time than paying and playing a game you won't like in the end?

That’s really interesting because it brings up the idea of why we play. I’m sure the gameplay is world class. Since it’s a narrative driven game does the story carry equal or more weight then the actual gameplay? Guess everyone is different but I’m curious where people stand. 

If the game is very story focused and the story is bad, a good chunk of the game is going to fall flat no matter the player's tastes, because people will either not care about it at best or actively dislike it at worse. There is no gain for the player there. The whole game might not be affected, but it certainly will be a rather important piece of the pie.



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Hiku said:

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Don't post in here just to score political points.

If your comment is based on spoiler knowledge (which we already told you guys not to do), then no one else can engage in the discussion unless they read the same spoilers.
If it's based on an external source like an article, then you can make a thread in the politics section about it.

There is not a single spoiler in this thread just people saying it looks bad. Saying something is good or bad don't spoil anything to others who haven't seen it. It is just an opinion/impression that doesn't tell anything besides one's opinion on how good or bad they fell it looks.

If we reached an era when the words 'good' and 'bad' are now spoilers then we are way past the Twilight Zone.

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Darwinianevolution said:
Seeing that many people are cancelling the game because they didn't like the way the story will move forward, I wonder if some people may consider the leak a good thing. After all, isn't it better to get the bad news early and save yourself money and time than paying and playing a game you won't like in the end?

Well the game gets praised for its story and not the gameplay. Like it would be a different case if BOTW got its story leaked. 



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