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Is PC ruining gaming?

Yes 19 31.67%
 
No, you're just being silly! Ah 41 68.33%
 
Total:60

I can't recall a single game that I've played being worse because of political correctness so I guess my answer is yes, I'm OK with it.



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sales2099 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

The poll doesn't ask whether PC culture "is a problem", but whether it is "ruining gaming".

Even if it is a problem, it is not one that is ruining gaming.  The 'triple A' business model has staked its claim on that.

It’s all subjective. 

How you feel about PC Culture is subjective, but the effects of the triple-A business model on the development process is objective.

PC Culture may subjectively affect specific games, but the triple-A business model objectively affects gaming as an industry and as an artistic medium.

Since the poll question asked whether PC culture is ruining gaming, the answer is objectively 'no, it is not.  The triple-A business model is ruining gaming'.



SuaveSocialist said:
sales2099 said:

It’s all subjective. 

How you feel about PC Culture is subjective, but the effects of the triple-A business model on the development process is objective.

PC Culture may subjectively affect specific games, but the triple-A business model objectively affects gaming as an industry and as an artistic medium.

Since the poll question asked whether PC culture is ruining gaming, the answer is objectively 'no, it is not.  The triple-A business model is ruining gaming'.

Playing devils advocate here...usually the people that are against the AAA business model aren’t aware of very real things like inflation, developers required to make AAA games compared to 15 years ago, higher costs associated with higher graphic fidelity. Basically games cost the same $60 this whole time while the games have been getting more lifelike and expensive.

Fact is many games are likely greenlit in the first place because they have income models beyond the initial purchase price. Gamers who want gaming to go back to the good days without taking into account the modern day better graphics and inflation having no impact on game pricing have to take a step back and educate themselves.

Personally I’m not opposed to micros, but I am opposed to shamelessly abusing it. Basically cosmetics and optional content >>> micros that give you a competitive advantage. 



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sales2099 said:
Pemalite said:
Those who constantly whinge about Political Correctness and their supporters are equally as bad. Let's be realistic here.

Vote with your wallet instead, if a games political messaging is something that turns you off, don't buy that game, it's capitalism at work.

 But what if the game in question is from your favourite franchise since you were a kid? It’s not so easy to just drop the franchise you’ve loved for years. It’s not so black and white 

These things tend to not be a deal breaker. But it can still take away from the games story appeal. 

I have dropped games in the middle of a franchise for various reasons and then picked up later releases for rectifying my concerns. (Dragon Age 2 > Inquisition for example.)

Vote with your wallet.




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sales2099 said:

Playing devils advocate here...usually the people that are against the AAA business model aren’t aware of very real things like inflation, developers required to make AAA games compared to 15 years ago, higher costs associated with higher graphic fidelity.

Then I'm an unusual person.



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Snoorlax said:
sundin13 said:
I feel like you can't simultaneously ask for games to be free to be creative AND ask that they not be creative in a specific way that you don't like...

Sorry but i don't see how pandering to a certain crowd who doesn't even buy your games can be considered creative.

Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?

Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?



SuaveSocialist said:
sales2099 said:

Playing devils advocate here...usually the people that are against the AAA business model aren’t aware of very real things like inflation, developers required to make AAA games compared to 15 years ago, higher costs associated with higher graphic fidelity.

Then I'm an unusual person.

So you don’t care about the rising costs and inflation of $60 over the decades? I mean that’s very idealistic of you, but hardly realistic.

I did say I’m against micros that offer a competitive edge. But they do have their place in gaming today. $60 just isn’t enough to cover costs unless you are a major IP or a heavily marketed 1st party game. 



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sundin13 said:
Snoorlax said:

Sorry but i don't see how pandering to a certain crowd who doesn't even buy your games can be considered creative.

Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?

Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?

I believe far more democrats are more concerned with games being aligned with their beliefs then their desire to actually play them. Look no further then Twitter or Reddit. 

Creatively I don’t believe a democrat is on the same level as someone politically neutral or conservative. Because from the shows I’ve watched with a left wing slant, the bad guy almost always has a combination of: seeing themselves above women, is a racist, homophobe, and oppressing a marginalized group. It’s so predictable. It makes it so painfully obvious they want you to know who the bad guy is.

A proper way to be creative is to make characters with grey area. Nuance. To be willing to offend to make a greater point, especially when it concerns their own beliefs. Those are things left wing creatives just have a harder time doing.

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No, it hasn't negatively affected a single game that I care about.

And some examples, like DmC having a lens flare to obscure a butt crack is just idiocy, as the "politically correct" environment doesn't demand this. Some developers are just bad a reading the room and they should get better.



Snoorlax said:
Mnementh said:

So yes, I can totally accept games and movies incorporate woke or PC messages, if it is done like Studio Ghibli did it.

There are 2 main differences here.

1 - Studio Ghibli's most famous works weren't created to pander to a certain crowd who doesn't care about anime or kids movies, it had no political messages behind them just to be woke or progressive, they were just doing what they were good at, being creative and create art.

2 - Studio Ghibli is not American nor Western but Japanese and they create art based on Japanese culture and values which has a worldwide appeal, but guess what it isn't promoted anywhere in the western world because it's not PC.

Studio Ghibli is what the old Walt Disney used to be when it had real American values and wasn't the evil money hungry monopolistic corporation that it is today and is out to buy and destroy any chance of competition they can get.

1: I think you aren't aware how much political messaging Ghibli movies do. A testament about HOW WELL they do it.

As an example, many recent discussion was about putting female protagonists into movies and sometimes advertise the movie with the fact. Ghibli inserted female protagonists into the movies all the time, even back in the 80s. Nausicaä, Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, Whisper of the Heart, Princess Mononoke and Howl's Moving Castle all have female protagonists and Laputa and Porco Rosso have stong female characters in additional roles. That is of the movies I watched. In a way it is similar to what Hollywood is doing today, but Ghibli was always very good in integrating their characters naturally into the story.

Also the themes of war and natural protection are often to find in Ghibli movies. So yes, their movies pretty clearly have political messaging.

2: But the things I talk about aren't a difference between western and japanese culture. Other anime are missing these political themes Ghibli has often. Other anime have as often male protagonists as western movies. These differences are solely the result of Miyazaki's and Takahata's artistical visions compared to the rest of the industry.



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