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sundin13 said:
Nautilus said:

But I don't think that's bad storytelling.I think we can safely say that scene, at the very least, is a matter of personal taste then.

"Lack of understanding"? or you mean "I don't see or cheer the same things, and thus you don't understand"?Companies can be bad simply because, as you said, people can be evil or simply make bad decisions.The same can be said that gays can behave innappropriately, just like any human being.That dosen't make them free from the criticism, when someone wants to make it.Gay people are also human beings, and thus prone to errors.Just because you don't like seeing people portraying them badly dosen't mean people can't portray them badly.

How can you say, in that specific Persona 5 scene, that those persons hitting on young people, while not evil, is not appropriate?As I said, from my personal experience(and I bet Im not the only one), that happens.Why can't a developer portray a reality that happens?The same way that harrasment is portrayed in other situation/places?

I am not speaking about that specific Persona 5 scene, I am speaking about the issue in general terms.

But again, I am talking about how. You continue to only be talking about what. Yes, sexual assault, harassment, homosexuality and all manner of things may be portrayed, but how they are portrayed dictates whether that portrayal is well done or not. Typically, when someone objects to a story beat in a game, it is not simply "this happened", but instead "this happened in a specific manner". This is how Hiku spoke about P5 in their original post, and it is how I spoke about Princess Jellyfish in my original post, and it is what you seem to continue to be missing.

Again how, not simply what.

But I was talking about that specific scene..... You even quoted me protesting about the scene... Then we agree that scene was ok?

Of course the how is important.If someone comes to a woman and calls her "Bitch!", normally people will think that the person calling names is stupid and it was uncalled for.But if you knew the story behind it, that that specific woman was actually cheating on said person, then you might agree that the "Bitch!" is adequate, or at least understandable.

Everything is dictated by circunstance.People might even commit heinous acts like murder, depending on the circunstances.But also it depends on the perspective.There are some things that the japanese finds acceptable(in entertainment), while americans may not find, and vice versa.The truth, at least for entertainment and what someone might think is enjoyable, is subjective.



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Politics has always been in every art form since the dawn of art.



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There's only 2 races: White and 'Political Agenda'
2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'

There are times where I love more inclusive games. Like Hellblade, which is my favourite new IP this gen. They made it work while being true to the time period. Gears 5 making Kait the main character made sense as there are good reasons for it and I enjoyed the perspective. 

What I don’t like is reviewers rating a game based on its political message over aspects that actually matter (gameplay, sound, etc). The controversy around Kingdom Come Deliverance was simply appalling to read as it unfolded.

History based games that are revised I just can’t stand like Battlefield 5. Or taking existing franchises and making them overtly PC also is a shame to see like Mortal Kombat 11.



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vivster said:
Or you could just stay clear of things you don't enjoy.

If only it were that easy. Many time tested franchises that people love are changing as such. 



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sales2099 said:
vivster said:
Or you could just stay clear of things you don't enjoy.

If only it were that easy. Many time tested franchises that people love are changing as such. 

Good thing that there are literally millions of games out there. If there is demand, there will be content to satisfy that demand.



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vivster said:
sales2099 said:

If only it were that easy. Many time tested franchises that people love are changing as such. 

Good thing that there are literally millions of games out there. If there is demand, there will be content to satisfy that demand.

You don’t understand, people don’t want their favourite IPs getting political. It’s not easy to just drop a series you’ve played and loved since it’s inception.

Nothing wrong with loyal players telling developers to keep innovating their series but keep politics out 



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sales2099 said:
vivster said:

Good thing that there are literally millions of games out there. If there is demand, there will be content to satisfy that demand.

You don’t understand, people don’t want their favourite IPs getting political. It’s not easy to just drop a series you’ve played and loved since it’s inception.

Nothing wrong with loyal players telling developers to keep innovating their series but keep politics out 

It really is easy. You see a game you like and you play it instead of a game you don't like. Just like that.

Videogames are art and if the artists want to have politics in their games, they absolutely should put them in there because it is their project. If it then is successful that means that your preferences are a minority concern.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Well, doesn't something have to actually be good in the first place in order to be ruined?

Well, Mortal Kombat used to be good in my opinion not only because of the ridiculous blood and gore but also because of the story, lore and character arcs because, believe it or not, MK used to have an actual story and fleshed out lore before the 2011 reboot. But after MK X and 11 i'm not so sure Netherrealm cares about telling a good story or giving us good new characters but care about how "woke" their games really are.

ironmanDX said:


If an artist has a story they wish to tell me and it gets censored or changed just to appease poeple that more likely won't buy the product anyway... Just no.

Poor Japanese developers can't express their creativity now because of Sony California's political views and have to get their games half assed just to please the loud minorities who don't even play video games.

vivster said:
Or you could just stay clear of things you don't enjoy.

Well i enjoy videogames, some of my favorite franchises are now infected with the PC culture and believe me this won't end well for the developers and publishers if they continue like this. Just look at how bad the Star Wars movies have performed and the Marvel comics is nothing but a joke at this point.

melbye said:

Changing something for a minority of snowflake narcissists who think they are oppressed is fucking stupid

I know, sadly they seem to get all the support these days.

Mnementh said:

So yes, I can totally accept games and movies incorporate woke or PC messages, if it is done like Studio Ghibli did it.

There are 2 main differences here.

1 - Studio Ghibli's most famous works weren't created to pander to a certain crowd who doesn't care about anime or kids movies, it had no political messages behind them just to be woke or progressive, they were just doing what they were good at, being creative and create art.

2 - Studio Ghibli is not American nor Western but Japanese and they create art based on Japanese culture and values which has a worldwide appeal, but guess what it isn't promoted anywhere in the western world because it's not PC.

Studio Ghibli is what the old Walt Disney used to be when it had real American values and wasn't the evil money hungry monopolistic corporation that it is today and is out to buy and destroy any chance of competition they can get.

KLXVER said:
Im ok with it as long as it is what the developer truly wants to make. Not if they are forced to change anything by the PC mob.

I'm not sure if developers are being forced to cater to PC crowds but i'm sure almost none of the PC crowds even cares about gaming only to attack it when it fits their agenda.

Angelus said:
The only thing that matters is the quality of the game.

Yeah the graphics and gameplay are there but the story, characters, dialogue, message? pretty much everything else is slowly not so much about the game anymore but about how "woke" the product can be.

Nautilus said:
While there will always be developers that will lift the middle finger to society and make the games they want, anyone saying that it dosen't impact the games, even in a small way, are lying to themselves.The most recent example is Persona 5 royal, in which Atlus seemingly(haven't played the Royal version, so can't vouch for it) censored a scene which a minority deemed as "racist" or "in bad taste".

It seems like many here just ignore it and act like nothing's wrong.

There are lots of fans that realize and do care about this but they'll get harrassed for expressing their opinions online even the creators tell them to fuck off on Twitter, look at Marvel's writers what they respond to their fanbase criticism, it's crazy how any company can get away with what they do and videogames are going in the same path the way it's looking right now.

sundin13 said:
I feel like you can't simultaneously ask for games to be free to be creative AND ask that they not be creative in a specific way that you don't like...

Sorry but i don't see how pandering to a certain crowd who doesn't even buy your games can be considered creative.



vivster said:
sales2099 said:

You don’t understand, people don’t want their favourite IPs getting political. It’s not easy to just drop a series you’ve played and loved since it’s inception.

Nothing wrong with loyal players telling developers to keep innovating their series but keep politics out 

It really is easy. You see a game you like and you play it instead of a game you don't like. Just like that.

Videogames are art and if the artists want to have politics in their games, they absolutely should put them in there because it is their project. If it then is successful that means that your preferences are a minority concern.

It’s clearly a gray area. You grew up playing a franchise and the latest one injects politics into it. It’s hard to drop the franchise you love so much....most just keep playing for the parts they like while complaining about the parts they don’t. You thinking one can just drop it out of principle and not bat an eye isn’t a likely scenario. 

A games success depends on it’s gameplay end of the day. The heavy handed political message likely isn’t a deal breaker in itself. Fans have every right to complain about that. 



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John2290 said:
I can't stand it in life nor can I games. I'd rather we were all just honest and made fun of each other and ourselves than this nonsense, within reason obviously and in proper context and with social common sense. it restricts some human need to express yourself and causes a tenseness among people, I think laughing is there for a reason. I'd love for the perpetually offended to put it aside and shut up at the bery least, let us be human and don't dilute the humanity reflected in games or other media.

The problem is most humans are assholes, so we do need rules to keep things running smoothly. Some are called laws and others societal standards. Give people absolute freedom and see them completely abuse it and use it to hurt others. The ironic thing right now is that PC culture is used by assholes to hurt others. It's gonna be interesting to see how the next few decades will deal with that.



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