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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jaicee said:

That must be pretty easy to say from the comfort of Luxembourg where you don't actually have to live under this guy. Right now, among many other things, I'm looking at the fact that we have the worst covid outbreak on Earth primarily because of this president and my state is starting to close back down again as a result. My point is that there are real life and death stakes to this election that seem a lot more important than posturing.

There are two candidates in this race who have a chance of becoming president and we know who they are. Everything else is an exercise in vanity and pretentiousness to the point that the major parties actually fund the campaigns of the smaller ones just to siphon off votes their serious rivals would otherwise get. The Green Party candidates are financially supported by the Republican Party and the Libertarian candidates are financially supported by the Democratic Party. That's how obvious it is that third parties in this country are a joke. Please, and I say this to you and to everybody, don't be dumb enough to make yourself the butt of that joke.

Rereading my post, I see I missed the rather critical mention to do so in safe blue/red states, not swing states or states that have the potential to become one, like Texas this year around.

@bolded: Trump wants to kill off Nato, which would give Putin huge influence over Europe. He's trying to buy up all the vaccines and medicines for CoViD-19 and doesn't care if any other country would not get any at all due to this. He killed the Paris treaty and violated countless other international treaties.He's supporting and flaunting over several dictators around the world instead of keeping them in check. Trust me when I say that even outside of the US, no one is safe from this madman POTUS.

But what do you expect to change under Biden if he doesn't feel any challenge from the left? He must feel that the support from the left is far from granted, and that he has to work towards their demands if he wants them to support him in 4 years.He shouldn't take leftists for granted, and this is the best way to make him know that he has to work for them.

Or would you rather want that the left wing splits off, starts a new party and thus dooms the democratic party in 4 years and maybe even future elections? Biden needs to get pulled to the left to keep the democratic party united instead of the party continuing to creep to the right.

I see. So what you're saying is that the unity of Democrats can best be maintained by voting AGAINST their nominee this fall? Why do I not buy that argument?

Look, in order to push a President Biden in any direction, there first has to be a President Biden. He's gotta be elected president first! One step at a time. If people wanted a different alternative to Trump, they should've chosen one in the primaries. That was the time. This is not.

I'm not just against third party votes because they're ineffective, I'm against them because their candidates are fake ones. Seriously. Think back to 2016. Did it ever strike you as odd that Green Party nominee Jill Stein focused on attacking Hillary Clinton and not the rival candidate with whom she theoretically had less in common? Like that she would frequently use expressions negatively comparing Clinton to Trump like "His words and her actions" and such, almost as though she were actually trying to persuade people to vote for Trump rather than her? Did you ever notice likewise how she barely ever mentioned any of the left wing policy proposals she was supposedly running on? Did it ever similarly strike you as odd that Gary Johnson and his running mate conversely tended to really only criticize Trump and barely stopped short of endorsing Clinton in fact? Those things were reflections of who was paying their bills! Jill Stein could barely criticize Trump because the Republican Party was bankrolling her campaign. Likewise Gary Johnson could barely criticize Clinton because the Democrats were funding his campaign. You can't risk your sources of revenue! You see what I mean now? Third party candidates in this country are frauds! They're bought and paid for by the major parties. They don't actually believe in any of the stuff they claim to be running on. They're not running to win.

I mean seriously, do you really think for one second that the Republican Party always tries to get Green candidates on the ballot everywhere and pump up the visibility of their candidates just out of the goodness of their hearts? Like the Republican Party does that because they support the Green New Deal and tuition-free college access and Medicare for all and a 70+ percent top marginal income tax rate and a 50+ percent reduction in spending on the military and police and so on and so on? You really think that's why they always support the Green candidates? Or could it be their aim to split the left vote and carve out more victories for themselves as a result? In exchange for the material support of the Republican Party, the Greens implicitly agree, in turn, not to attack their Republican "rivals". It's a game. The whole thing is a sham. Third parties in this country are a sham.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 05 July 2020

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Kanye West is here to kill us all! If you add him to the OP, can you please use a picture of him interrupting Taylor Swift?



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West 2020. If he's actually serious and files paperwork atleast he wont be a sexual predator like Trump and Biden. About time we had a genius as President.



Trying to figure out whose vote West will steal more from. He's a conservative, newer Christian supposedly, so he will appeal to that demographic which very much votes Republican, but he'd also be the only black man running for President which could steal some black votes (and like 90% of those go democrat).

Combine that with the fact that the nominee for Green Party is a socialist trying to steal disenfranchised Bernie voters and this election just went off the deep end. It's already going to be nuts with delayed results from absentee ballots as well as lack of physical voting (which will probably decrease overall voter turnout by a lot) and now we've got two third party candidates who will appeal to two rejected and overlooked groups substantially. No one has a clue whose going to win this thing and anyone that says so is fooling themselves. This is literally the most crazy election I've ever seen or studied and it could go so many directions.

Think about this. If either a third party candidate wins some states (unlikely) or if the margin of victory is small enough in some states, Trump could order emergency investigations and the Supreme Court could uphold that. If that is delayed until the Electoral College meets in December, then they would have to vote without those swing states, meaning they probably wouldn't have enough votes to send anyone over 270. Then it would go to the House of Representatives, which you'd think would be an advantage for Democrats, but that's not how it works. Whichever party has more reps in that state controls that state's 1 vote, which means Republicans would have more votes. And then on top of that, they don't even have to vote for Trump. They have to vote for one of the top three electoral college vote winners, so they could literally vote for Kanye (if he placed third) since he also appears to be a conservative, then the Senate votes for Vice President, either Pence or whoever Kanye's running mate would be.

We literally could have Kanye West as President, elected by the Republican dominated state delagate votes from the House of Representatives, in order to still have a conservative President and at the same time get away from Trump and that's hilarious!



I'm perplexed by Kanye West running. I mean he warned us back in 2015, but then he said a few years ago that he would wait until 2024. Now, here we are.
Kanye's got a lot going against him. He has no political or military experience. He's eccentric and egotistical. He's a billionaire. And he just coveted an endorsement with Elon Musk, who is a scum bag.
On the other hand, Donald Trump has done many horrible things as President. Some continued from previous administrations, and some new problems. Joe Biden has cognitive decline, and has a very poor record.
I'm interested to see what Kanye's stance on the issues would be. He's unpredictable, and he might even flip flop on a lot of things if he somehow got into office.



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Kanye isn’t going to steal votes. I doubt he even files the paperwork to run. He just wants some more attention... he should just start up a TikTok channel like all the other attention seekers...



gergroy said:
Kanye isn’t going to steal votes. I doubt he even files the paperwork to run. He just wants some more attention... he should just start up a TikTok channel like all the other attention seekers...

Its probably for his new album. Ever since My beautiful dark twisted fantasy he's been getting into controversy before he drops and album.

But he does realistically want to be President some day. I think he's probably gonna run in 2024 or maybe 2028 if Biden wins. I wouldn't mind him running in 2020 though if he has something to bring to the table.



Kanye won't even be on most state ballots by entering the game this late. Its largely just a ploy to get attention per usual by Kanye and his never full ego.

Also potentially a savvy business move as his new album is coming out soon.

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NightlyPoe said:
Dulfite said:
Trying to figure out whose vote West will steal more from. He's a conservative, newer Christian supposedly, so he will appeal to that demographic which very much votes Republican, but he'd also be the only black man running for President which could steal some black votes (and like 90% of those go democrat).

Mostly from the young and black votes I assume.  Plus several "they both suck" voters.  Democrats hardest hit I think.

Think about this. If either a third party candidate wins some states (unlikely) or if the margin of victory is small enough in some states, Trump could order emergency investigations and the Supreme Court could uphold that.

These elections are state matters.  The most Trump could do is bring lawsuits, like Bush and Gore did in 2000.  It's unlikely that the courts deliberate beyond the meeting of the electoral college.

Whichever party has more reps in that state controls that state's 1 vote, which means Republicans would have more votes. And then on top of that, they don't even have to vote for Trump. They have to vote for one of the top three electoral college vote winners, so they could literally vote for Kanye (if he placed third) since he also appears to be a conservative, then the Senate votes for Vice President, either Pence or whoever Kanye's running mate would be.

We literally could have Kanye West as President, elected by the Republican dominated state delagate votes from the House of Representatives, in order to still have a conservative President and at the same time get away from Trump and that's hilarious!

In theory, yes.  But why would they?

To have a conservative in office that doesn't stress them out everyday lol.



Dulfite said:
NightlyPoe said:

Mostly from the young and black votes I assume.  Plus several "they both suck" voters.  Democrats hardest hit I think.

Think about this. If either a third party candidate wins some states (unlikely) or if the margin of victory is small enough in some states, Trump could order emergency investigations and the Supreme Court could uphold that.

These elections are state matters.  The most Trump could do is bring lawsuits, like Bush and Gore did in 2000.  It's unlikely that the courts deliberate beyond the meeting of the electoral college.

Whichever party has more reps in that state controls that state's 1 vote, which means Republicans would have more votes. And then on top of that, they don't even have to vote for Trump. They have to vote for one of the top three electoral college vote winners, so they could literally vote for Kanye (if he placed third) since he also appears to be a conservative, then the Senate votes for Vice President, either Pence or whoever Kanye's running mate would be.

We literally could have Kanye West as President, elected by the Republican dominated state delagate votes from the House of Representatives, in order to still have a conservative President and at the same time get away from Trump and that's hilarious!

In theory, yes.  But why would they?

To have a conservative in office that doesn't stress them out everyday lol.

You don’t think Kanye West and his wife Kim kardashian would stress them out?