its a playstation game that should be on playstation only, i know hes said not all games are coming to pc but i wont be supporting it. its things drop off for them its thier own fault

He's talking about lowered console sales, which results in less platform royalty fees. 

Trying to find the pie chart I saw years ago on Gamasutra, but $10-$15 of a game sold goes to the console holder. So let's say somebody buys a PS4 and ten games. This is lowballing it, but Sony makes $100-$150 in console royalty fees from those 10 games. Add in an average of $20 a year in PSN fees for five years, since about 1/3rd of users are subbed to PS+. Let's say that keeping Horizon on PS4 for good improves the Playstation brand enough to sell an additional 2 million PS5's in the future. That's $400,000,000 dollars in future profit ($100 in royalty fees + $100 for 5 years of PS+ from 1/3rd of  those 2 million users.)

Meanwhile Horizon will likely be bought at bargain basement prices on Steam. Probably around $20 a copy, just like the PS Store. At 2 million copies sold (this is being generous), they'd make about ($14 per copy) $28,000,000.

So we are comparing $28,000,000 vs $400,000,000. Sony is basically burning their own brand to the ground at this point. 

But oh well, it does benefit us gamers. I might not even get a PS5 until 2022 or 2023 now, because I'll have no need. My 2070S Rig will work fine. 

Keep in mind that consoles cost money to make and a fortune to RnD. So basiaclly hardware loses money while the software and subscribers make that money back. Depending on how fast the console sells determine weather they make there money back on the console earlier. Its why Sony hasnt gone full PC yet due to the amount of success the PS4 has been this generation.

However that success is not always guaranteed every generation and with competition only increasing it could mean less overall sales which hurts shareholders etc. 

This Gen Sony were awfully lucky that both Nintendo and Xbox slipped up and led a 1 way ticket to success however with Nintendos recent success of the Switch and Xboxes revival, Sony are going to have to think about the bigger picture because there is too much money to lose by sticking to 1 format unless they are Nintendo which they are not.

It's true that consoles cost money to make and research. My estimate was an extreme lowball though. There's easily enough wiggle room in those numbers to make R&D costs and production costs disappear. 

Competition increasing? From what? Streaming? Stadia and the like are the 3D0 and Jaguar of the 2020's. 

Yes, less console sales hurts shareholders. 

As far as mainline home consoles go Nintendo has a pretty good track record for messing up. N64, Gamecube, and Wii U were all failures. NES, SNES, and Wii were successes. It's no surprise that a company that had two console sales failures (N64 and GC), followed by a huge hit (Wii), would drop back to low sales a gen later. So I wouldn't attribute that to luck. 

Xbox did indeed slip up, but Sony definitely handled this gen well. They made all the right decisions. Sony's excellent studios, good gameplay focused hardware, and consumer friendly stance took the market just as much as Xbox gave it away. 

I don't think Xbox will have a resurgence at all. They face a Sony that is coming off a PS4 high note, and horrible sales of the XB1 this late in the gen. If it does though, that would be a result of Sony throwing all their exclusives onto other platforms, and basically giving up on the strength of their brand. Even then though, I don't see Xbox ever passing 65 million lifetime sales ever again. 

Sony is basically Nintendo, but with full blown 3rd party support. They've raised their 1st party content up to Nintendo's level, while still getting pretty much every 3rd party AAA game. And remember there's way more money to be lost by abandoning their brand, than there is from a few extra PC sales. 

What Sony really needs to do is focus on improving the PS brand, while making PSNow a serious competitor to gamepass. That way when streaming eventually takes over, in ten years, they can dominate the streaming market as much as they dominated the console market. Instead, they seem hellbent on pulling a MS, and becoming a 3rd party developer that just happens to have a console on the side. 

It sounds as if you don't have a ps4 and you just saying that because its coming to PC.

I loved the game, but game of the generation? Not really, God of war was better, Zelda was better, red dead redemption 2 was better, Xenoblades X was better, and Spiderman is on par with Horizon. Personally I even preferred Assassins creed 4 over Horizon.

I agree, bring all exclusives to the PC so I don't have to spend money on the ps5, please, can you imagine a powerful PC with thousands of games + the best sony exclusives with better graphics? I would not go back to consoles.

More and more the ps5 is sounding just like the xbox one X, a big waste of money that could go into upgrading a PC.

That wont happen, ps3 games are too difficult to port to PC architecture. Its way easier to port ps4 games. Developers will not take the time and huge effort to port ps3 games that probably wouldn't sell anyway.

That's is not correct, gamers are gamers, period, its 2020 no one is scared of PCs anymore they've become much easier to build. I was on PC until 2006 when I emigrated for work purposes, at the end of this year I'll permanently return home now that I finished paying my house. Just saving for a car.

Ill have a choice as a gamer, build a powerful PC which can replace my MacBook so basically that would cost me nothing as the MacBook is worth a lot of money.

Or buy a PS5 or series X depending on design, power, launch games. Price, With the advantage I already have a pro controller that works on PC.

I'd love a GT7, horizon 2, spiderman 2 etc, but on PC I could play enhanced games from several generations + emulators to improve my switch/wiiU graphics. And several games at very cheap prices. And free online.

Also console games take many years to drop in price back in Portugal, not like here in the UK where I can get a game 50% off after only 6 months. Back in Portugal I've seen PS4 games from 5 years ago still at 70euros (around 80dollars), GTA5 as an example.

The new consoles will be 500 + 130 for a couple games + 150 for a proper controller if my pro controller is not compatible + 50 for online = 830 dollars

PC parts will be better, cheaper and more power efficient come January, I could build a monster gaming PC for 830 dollars which would save me money long term on games and free online and I could go back and play older games like Mass effect trilogy in very high quality graphics.

The biggest deciding factor will be fan noise, this generation I went through 4 PS4s, the launch one was loud, then the destiny model was acceptable, then I got the pro was super loud, then I finally got the 3rd revision with Spiderman, its acceptable.

The xbox X is wonderfully silent, but I doubt the next gen consoles will have the budget for that cooling. On consoles you are stuck to whatever cooling they give you. Most people didn't complain on ps4 so I'm sure they will cheap out on that. I usually do not mind if the fan can not be heard over the headphones.

On PC I get to choose the cooling, thats a huge advantage.

Sony bringing exclusives to the PC is just one more reason to abandon consoles.

The vast majority of PS3 games are multi-platforms and are already on PC.

The rest can be emulated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_3-only_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_PlayStation_3_games


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Conversely, the bulk of the Playstation 3 exclusives have already been remastered and re-released on the Playstation 4 anyway, which means porting to PC would be a synch.

Why? PC is just a console with a lot more customization. If you look at the series X you are basically looking at a PC, no more no less. You can get almost any wireless controller to work on PC, my dualshock works, xbox one controller works, xbox elite works, ps4 pro controllers works, etc And then you get keyboard and mouse for strategy/management games.

I cant see how someone thinks this is bad. People need a computer anyway to organize their media and do some work.

Free online, cheaper games, backwards compatible with games from decades ago, you have more than 20x the amount of games that the ps5 would have.

Sega will never be back to console, because no one would buy one, who in their own mind would invest money into a sega when Sony and Microsoft have the console market on lockdown? A sega would just be another google stadia.