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Sogreblute said:
Come on Sony, do more older games. Shadow of Colossus, Ratchet and Clank Original + Future Trilogies, Jak and Daxter Trilogy, Legend of Dragoon, Uncharted Trilogy, and Last of Us.

I agree, bring all exclusives to the PC so I don't have to spend money on the ps5, please, can you imagine a powerful PC with thousands of games + the best sony exclusives with better graphics? I would not go back to consoles.

More and more the ps5 is sounding just like the xbox one X, a big waste of money that could go into upgrading a PC.



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Eric2048 said:

An interesting move. If Sony starts releasing their older titles on PC it could increase interest in newer PS5 games and increase console sales. Assuming they only do older games and don't do it exactly like microsoft. Also it would be amazing if they brought some PS1-PS3 exclusives to PC because some of them are immposible to play without having the specific console. not even emulation is possible for some games.

That wont happen, ps3 games are too difficult to port to PC architecture. Its way easier to port ps4 games. Developers will not take the time and huge effort to port ps3 games that probably wouldn't sell anyway.



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victor83fernandes said:

If that is true then why buy consoles at all, just wait for the better PC version at cheaper prices.

Bringing console exclusives to PC means there's less selling point for the console. A PC gamer might still buy consoles for exclusives, but you stop having exclusives then PC gamers will be glad they don't have to buy your console.

That doesn't sound smart, might be good for a quick buck, but then the next exclusives wont sell as much as they could on the console, and you shouldn't want people buying on PC due to high levels of piracy and cheaper prices.

These practices will hurt console sales, just look at Microsoft, first putting their games on PC and now no exclusives for 2 years, I predict this will hurt their sales really bad.

Imagine if Halo, gears and Forza had never come to PC, can you imagine how many xbox ones they'd sold? Maybe double. How many people bought an xbox to play Halo? A lot, if halo was on PC from day 1, I bet xbox wouldn't even be a thing today.

In many ways a PC gamer and console gamer are two different groups. Millions from either side wouldn’t touch the other just because it isn’t their style. Most know that a console is convenient and hundreds cheaper then investing in a gaming rig. 

If Xbox’s exclusives didn’t go to Pc you’d see a few million bump nothing more. MCC on PC sold somewhere from 2-3 million. Better to capitalize on those who aren’t willing to come over to your side. I’m just glad Sony is starting a slow yet slippery slope where their console isn’t the sole destination for their games. To me, their principles are slowly eroding. 

That's is not correct, gamers are gamers, period, its 2020 no one is scared of PCs anymore they've become much easier to build. I was on PC until 2006 when I emigrated for work purposes, at the end of this year I'll permanently return home now that I finished paying my house. Just saving for a car.

Ill have a choice as a gamer, build a powerful PC which can replace my MacBook so basically that would cost me nothing as the MacBook is worth a lot of money.

Or buy a PS5 or series X depending on design, power, launch games. Price, With the advantage I already have a pro controller that works on PC.

I'd love a GT7, horizon 2, spiderman 2 etc, but on PC I could play enhanced games from several generations + emulators to improve my switch/wiiU graphics. And several games at very cheap prices. And free online.

Also console games take many years to drop in price back in Portugal, not like here in the UK where I can get a game 50% off after only 6 months. Back in Portugal I've seen PS4 games from 5 years ago still at 70euros (around 80dollars), GTA5 as an example.

The new consoles will be 500 + 130 for a couple games + 150 for a proper controller if my pro controller is not compatible + 50 for online = 830 dollars

PC parts will be better, cheaper and more power efficient come January, I could build a monster gaming PC for 830 dollars which would save me money long term on games and free online and I could go back and play older games like Mass effect trilogy in very high quality graphics.

The biggest deciding factor will be fan noise, this generation I went through 4 PS4s, the launch one was loud, then the destiny model was acceptable, then I got the pro was super loud, then I finally got the 3rd revision with Spiderman, its acceptable.

The xbox X is wonderfully silent, but I doubt the next gen consoles will have the budget for that cooling. On consoles you are stuck to whatever cooling they give you. Most people didn't complain on ps4 so I'm sure they will cheap out on that. I usually do not mind if the fan can not be heard over the headphones.

On PC I get to choose the cooling, thats a huge advantage.

Sony bringing exclusives to the PC is just one more reason to abandon consoles.

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victor83fernandes said:
Eric2048 said:

An interesting move. If Sony starts releasing their older titles on PC it could increase interest in newer PS5 games and increase console sales. Assuming they only do older games and don't do it exactly like microsoft. Also it would be amazing if they brought some PS1-PS3 exclusives to PC because some of them are immposible to play without having the specific console. not even emulation is possible for some games.

That wont happen, ps3 games are too difficult to port to PC architecture. Its way easier to port ps4 games. Developers will not take the time and huge effort to port ps3 games that probably wouldn't sell anyway.

The vast majority of PS3 games are multi-platforms and are already on PC.

The rest can be emulated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_3-only_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_PlayStation_3_games


https://rpcs3.net/

Conversely, the bulk of the Playstation 3 exclusives have already been remastered and re-released on the Playstation 4 anyway, which means porting to PC would be a synch.



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method114 said:

I don't care if all the games go to PC but then I'm done with Sony consoles. I can just stick to my gaming PC at that point. In fact if that were to happen PC would be the mecca of gaming. All Xbox and Sony exclusives in one place.

In the terribly remote case Sony stops selling consoles, I would have to stop gaming. I don't see myself buying a gaming PC. Hopefully Sega will bring back their console business and Sony would be able to release their games on Sega. How wonderful would that be?

Why? PC is just a console with a lot more customization. If you look at the series X you are basically looking at a PC, no more no less. You can get almost any wireless controller to work on PC, my dualshock works, xbox one controller works, xbox elite works, ps4 pro controllers works, etc And then you get keyboard and mouse for strategy/management games.

I cant see how someone thinks this is bad. People need a computer anyway to organize their media and do some work.

Free online, cheaper games, backwards compatible with games from decades ago, you have more than 20x the amount of games that the ps5 would have.

Sega will never be back to console, because no one would buy one, who in their own mind would invest money into a sega when Sony and Microsoft have the console market on lockdown? A sega would just be another google stadia.



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Azzanation said:
Hopefully Sony see the protential of sales and profit rom Horizon on PC and realize holding games hostage isnt the best strategy anymore which will lead to more money for Sony and an even bigger audience for fhere games.

Completely wrong. Having exclusives is the reason PS1/2 was dominating, is the reason the PS3 was able to gain traction and why the PS4 remains dominant. 

Exclusives -> larger userbase -> larger platform software sales -> larger sub counts -> more money to invest into exclusives and such



While PC fans will continue to port beg, realistically this seems more like a combination of Decima already being on the platform and Horizon 2 coming presumably soon.
I think Sony will realise that the small software sales they will get on PC are not worth the brand hit of losing exclusives.



Cerebralbore101 said:

It's true that consoles cost money to make and research. My estimate was an extreme lowball though. There's easily enough wiggle room in those numbers to make R&D costs and production costs disappear. 

Competition increasing? From what? Streaming? Stadia and the like are the 3D0 and Jaguar of the 2020's. 

Yes, less console sales hurts shareholders. 

As far as mainline home consoles go Nintendo has a pretty good track record for messing up. N64, Gamecube, and Wii U were all failures. NES, SNES, and Wii were successes. It's no surprise that a company that had two console sales failures (N64 and GC), followed by a huge hit (Wii), would drop back to low sales a gen later. So I wouldn't attribute that to luck. 

Xbox did indeed slip up, but Sony definitely handled this gen well. They made all the right decisions. Sony's excellent studios, good gameplay focused hardware, and consumer friendly stance took the market just as much as Xbox gave it away. 

I don't think Xbox will have a resurgence at all. They face a Sony that is coming off a PS4 high note, and horrible sales of the XB1 this late in the gen. If it does though, that would be a result of Sony throwing all their exclusives onto other platforms, and basically giving up on the strength of their brand. Even then though, I don't see Xbox ever passing 65 million lifetime sales ever again. 

Sony is basically Nintendo, but with full blown 3rd party support. They've raised their 1st party content up to Nintendo's level, while still getting pretty much every 3rd party AAA game. And remember there's way more money to be lost by abandoning their brand, than there is from a few extra PC sales. 

What Sony really needs to do is focus on improving the PS brand, while making PSNow a serious competitor to gamepass. That way when streaming eventually takes over, in ten years, they can dominate the streaming market as much as they dominated the console market. Instead, they seem hellbent on pulling a MS, and becoming a 3rd party developer that just happens to have a console on the side. 

The PS2 is considered the best selling console in history yet the 360 came out and halved Sonys Userbase.

The Wii was Nintendos best selling home console followed by there weakest selling in the WiiU.

Just because the PS4 sold so well doesnt mean its an autosuccess for the PS5. Those two points above prove my point.

Xbox is on the surge upwards, your lack of respect for the PS5s competitor is exactly what happen when the PS3 launched against the 360.

The console market is only so big, gamers will have more choices not less. The PS4 did not kill off its competition, it only created it.

src said:

Completely wrong. Having exclusives is the reason PS1/2 was dominating, is the reason the PS3 was able to gain traction and why the PS4 remains dominant. 

Exclusives -> larger userbase -> larger platform software sales -> larger sub counts -> more money to invest into exclusives and such

Larger Userbase increases by increasing your audience not reducing it.

WiiU, Gamecube, N64, Dreamcast all had exclusives, what happened there?



src said:
While PC fans will continue to port beg, realistically this seems more like a combination of Decima already being on the platform and Horizon 2 coming presumably soon.
I think Sony will realise that the small software sales they will get on PC are not worth the brand hit of losing exclusives.

Even if Horizon 2 is coming to ps5, all ps4 games will be backwards compatible on ps5, so every single ps4 exclusive will be a reason to buy a ps5. Sony shouldn't put either ps4 or ps5 exclusives on PC.

Ps3 would be another story because they will not be on ps4 or ps5.

The very reason why sony is ahead of xbox in sales is because of the exclusives, take that away and the market will change.

If it wasn't for ps4 exclusives, everyone would have gone to xbox X on sales. It has more power, smaller design, backwards compatibility and quiet fan and better services.

In fact I had left ps4 behind when I bought my X on launch day, the thing that made me come back was

1 - exclusive games (but xbox has great exclusives too, such as Recore, Gears 5, Forza horizon 4, Forza 7, Halo collection

2 - VR which was more impressive than I ever imagined, why is Microsoft not focusing on VR? Blows my mind that Sony has that huge advantage and Microsoft doesn't seem to care. It really is important, its the future, and sony is already miles ahead.

In fact the best gaming experience I've had for the past decade was playing table tennis on VR, nothing comes close to that fun. Its a huge step up, the same as when I went from SNES to N64 (2D to 3D)

So much so that if Xbox series X had more power, more exclusives and cheaper price, I'd still choose PS5 just for the next VR.

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Azzanation said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

It's true that consoles cost money to make and research. My estimate was an extreme lowball though. There's easily enough wiggle room in those numbers to make R&D costs and production costs disappear. 

Competition increasing? From what? Streaming? Stadia and the like are the 3D0 and Jaguar of the 2020's. 

Yes, less console sales hurts shareholders. 

As far as mainline home consoles go Nintendo has a pretty good track record for messing up. N64, Gamecube, and Wii U were all failures. NES, SNES, and Wii were successes. It's no surprise that a company that had two console sales failures (N64 and GC), followed by a huge hit (Wii), would drop back to low sales a gen later. So I wouldn't attribute that to luck. 

Xbox did indeed slip up, but Sony definitely handled this gen well. They made all the right decisions. Sony's excellent studios, good gameplay focused hardware, and consumer friendly stance took the market just as much as Xbox gave it away. 

I don't think Xbox will have a resurgence at all. They face a Sony that is coming off a PS4 high note, and horrible sales of the XB1 this late in the gen. If it does though, that would be a result of Sony throwing all their exclusives onto other platforms, and basically giving up on the strength of their brand. Even then though, I don't see Xbox ever passing 65 million lifetime sales ever again. 

Sony is basically Nintendo, but with full blown 3rd party support. They've raised their 1st party content up to Nintendo's level, while still getting pretty much every 3rd party AAA game. And remember there's way more money to be lost by abandoning their brand, than there is from a few extra PC sales. 

What Sony really needs to do is focus on improving the PS brand, while making PSNow a serious competitor to gamepass. That way when streaming eventually takes over, in ten years, they can dominate the streaming market as much as they dominated the console market. Instead, they seem hellbent on pulling a MS, and becoming a 3rd party developer that just happens to have a console on the side. 

The PS2 is considered the best selling console in history yet the 360 came out and halved Sonys Userbase.

The Wii was Nintendos best selling home console followed by there weakest selling in the WiiU.

Just because the PS4 sold so well doesnt mean its an autosuccess for the PS5. Those two points above prove my point.

Xbox is on the surge upwards, your lack of respect for the PS5s competitor is exactly what happen when the PS3 launched against the 360.

The console market is only so big, gamers will have more choices not less. The PS4 did not kill off its competition, it only created it.

src said:

Completely wrong. Having exclusives is the reason PS1/2 was dominating, is the reason the PS3 was able to gain traction and why the PS4 remains dominant. 

Exclusives -> larger userbase -> larger platform software sales -> larger sub counts -> more money to invest into exclusives and such

Larger Userbase increases by increasing your audience not reducing it.

WiiU, Gamecube, N64, Dreamcast all had exclusives, what happened there?

Wrong, playstation is destined to succeed no matter what, PS1, ps2, ps3 and ps4 were huge successes. The brand name alone guarantees it, even more next gen because its backwards compatible.

It doesn't matter the specs, or price or design, or quality or games, it will succeed, no questions about it. 

Xbox OG was a failure (25million vs 150million), xbox one too(50million vs 108million)), only the 360 was successful, and only because they had the cheap DVD with no wi-fi and no hard drive, and launched 1 year ahead of ps3. That won't happen this time around

But that 360 success is misleading, they had only 3 months warranty, and a lot of consoles were breaking due to RROD, so many of those sales were replacements, how do I know this? Because it happened to me, twice, I had the original replaced, and then the arcade version replaced, only my slim model survived. I'd go as far as to say at least 25 million consoles were replacements. So those 360 numbers were inflated, and even then ps3 outsold it anyway.

Here in Europe the 360 was 360euros, the ps3 was 600euros, and sony still outsold it with one year less of sales.

PS - Things could change if USA would conquer Japan, then xbox could have a shot at outselling the playstation. Maybe hundreds of years from now.