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sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Thank god you have matured right?

Couldn’t resist lol. Takes me back to when MS announced this initiative years ago. It sucked at first but then I’m like: Wait a tick...MS has a PC OS monopoly with their own dedicated store. 

Made it realllllly easy to get the ol shovel and dig up them goal posts, move them around at night so in the morning nobody would notice :)

Edit: Would you agree that this changes the brand? Especially as more get added over the years?

Moving from SW being on a single HW to being available in several platforms change a lot the brand.

And sure a jab from every now and then is cool =]



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Azzanation said:
src said:

Metacritic is more trustworthy than any single site (since its an average), so by your own logic Death Stranding is the GOTY lol

/facepalm. 

FYI Death Stranding is also not a PS exclusive and was not made by Sony as its also coming to PC.

Okay then. The last 4 GOTYs have been 2 PS4 exclusives, 1 PS console exclusive and 1 SW exclusive.

Still paints the same picture. 

Pemalite said:
src said:

PS results were from 2017 as well. MT and DLC ain't going to make up anywhere near $13 billion when game sales are only $4 billion so thats a moot point. 

No. The point is... That irrespective of the fact that Steam may not match Sony in terms of revenues, it's still not a difference as large as you originally asserted.

In lamens terms, your original statement was false.

Plus Steam's profits and revenues have been growing rather quickly every year, it was 1.5~ billion in 2014 and 4.3~ billion 2017... Or an increase of 186%. - Can we assert the same for Playstation? If Steam retained that same growth momentum we could potentially be looking at 12.3~ billion today.

Microtransactions and DLC is huge on PC. - PC is heavier on the digital purchases than console remember.

src said:

PC was hardly relevant for FF at the time of PS1. Thats a poor excuse for the point I made to which you have no real rebuttal to:

PS1/2 had more and far bigger exclusives than N64/GCN. 

PC was always relevant, just not in your circles.
The fact is... If a game is on console AND PC... Then that game by extension and definition is multi-platform and thus not exclusive.

I would argue that no exclusive was larger than Golden Eye and Ocarina of Time that console generation, they were massive titles that have frequently been rated as some of the best games of all time and even defined their respective genre's. - What did the PS1 have?

Sure, but it's still clear PS is considerably bigger in revenue than Valve. Peak revenue for PS has been $20 billion. It is incredibly naive to extrapolate a linear gain, there should be evidence of a linear model before doing such a thing.

Sure digital in PC makes it a far bigger margin ecosystem but PS including hardware sales, subs, accessories and first party sales also increases their margins. 

Your PC comment of it being relevant in 199X for PS1 games is evidently false. The PS1 version of FF7 sold 9.8 million copies. The PC version did 1 million+ copies. 

There's really nothing to argue here looking at the data. GE sold 8 million and OoT 7 million+.

FF7 is evidently bigger.

It was THE defining game of PS1 (alongside Gran Turismo), the first console to be a global hit and sell 100 million+. In more detail, FF7 signified the change in leader from Nintendo to Sony in Japan, leading the way for a mass migration of third parties and the birth of the JRPG genre in the global market. Gran Turismo (10.8 million) influenced car culture so much that it led to car manufacturers changing production lines in response to the game. 



src said:
Azzanation said:

/facepalm. 

FYI Death Stranding is also not a PS exclusive and was not made by Sony as its also coming to PC.

Okay then. The last 4 GOTYs have been 2 PS4 exclusives, 1 PS console exclusive and 1 SW exclusive.

Still paints the same picture. 

By your logic i can say so as Xbox and Nintendo because i am sure alot of there own games have brought home a GOTY from some site or official bias magazine. Any way i couldn't.



Azzanation said:
src said:

Okay then. The last 4 GOTYs have been 2 PS4 exclusives, 1 PS console exclusive and 1 SW exclusive.

Still paints the same picture. 

By your logic i can say so as Xbox and Nintendo because i am sure alot of there own games have brought home a GOTY from some site or official bias magazine. Any way i couldn't.

 

Do it,

Bring the list of MS exclusive GOTYs per year this gen and how many awards they won each year.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Azzanation said:
src said:

Okay then. The last 4 GOTYs have been 2 PS4 exclusives, 1 PS console exclusive and 1 SW exclusive.

Still paints the same picture. 

By your logic i can say so as Xbox and Nintendo because i am sure alot of there own games have brought home a GOTY from some site or official bias magazine. Any way i couldn't.

Like the poster above says do it. Xbox won't come close to PS.



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DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

 

Do it,

Bring the list of MS exclusive GOTYs per year this gen and how many awards they won each year.

You don't even understand what the debate is about. I have made it clear its about the quality of the awards not the quantity. I can easily rip out random GOTY awards. I will link accouple for you below.

src said:
Azzanation said:

Like the poster above says do it. Xbox won't come close to PS.

^Moving Goal Posts. No where is this a comparison between the two, its about the quality of the awards, not awards giving out from random sites that hold little to no weight. Ill link you acouple Xbox titles that won GOTY awards from some sites.

A quick google search and bam! results.

Gears 5

https://www.gamesradar.com/au/gears-5-xbox-game-golden-joystick-2019/ < Who cares

Forza Horizon 4

https://stevivor.com/features/in-depth/stevivors-xbox-one-goty-2018-forza-horizon-4/ < Who cares

Do you guys actually care about random awards giving out to any game? It will also make no difference either if Forza Horizon 4 won 60 GOTY awards from no names. Its the major and industry driven and recognisable awards that hold more weight. A game winning GOTY at the Game Awards or at IGN holds more weight than 20 GOTYs from Randoms like Stevivors.

OverWatch did this in its release year not UC4. UC4 won more awards from god knows who, compared to Over Watch who won the major awards from the major outlets. 

Now I couldn't care any less for GOTY but to say UC4 and Death Stranding are GOTYs is no different to me saying Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 are as well, because they have also won GOTY. If you are a follower of Stevivors than you will not care about the other awards in the world.

Its the quality of the awards that means most, not the quantity of the awards. That's my opinion and you both can disagree all you want. The gaming industry is a bias place and MS, Sony and Nintendo can easily pay tribute to publishers for a helping hand in giving these awards out, its why I clearly stay away from unknown and random or simple unrecognisable awards and reviews.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 17 March 2020

Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

Do it,

Bring the list of MS exclusive GOTYs per year this gen and how many awards they won each year.

You don't even understand what the debate is about. I have made it clear its about the quality of the awards not the quantity. I can easily rip out random GOTY awards. I will link accouple for you below.

src said:

Like the poster above says do it. Xbox won't come close to PS.

^Moving Goal Posts. No where is this a comparison between the two, its about the quality of the awards, not awards giving out from random sites that hold little to no weight. Ill link you acouple Xbox titles that won GOTY awards from some sites.

A quick google search and bam! results.

Gears 5

https://www.gamesradar.com/au/gears-5-xbox-game-golden-joystick-2019/ < Who cares

Forza Horizon 4

https://stevivor.com/features/in-depth/stevivors-xbox-one-goty-2018-forza-horizon-4/ < Who cares

Do you guys actually care about random awards giving out to any game? It will also make no difference either if Forza Horizon 4 won 60 GOTY awards from no names. Its the major and industry driven and recognisable awards that hold more weight. A game winning GOTY at the Game Awards or at IGN holds more weight than 20 GOTYs from Randoms like Stevivors.

OverWatch did this in its release year not UC4. UC4 won more awards from god knows who, compared to Over Watch who won the major awards from the major outlets. 

Now I couldn't care any less for GOTY but to say UC4 and Death Stranding are GOTYs is no different to me saying Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 are as well, because they have also won GOTY. If you are a follower of Stevivors than you will not care about the other awards in the world.

Its the quality of the awards that means most, not the quantity of the awards. That's my opinion and you both can disagree all you want. The gaming industry is a bias place and MS, Sony and Nintendo can easily pay tribute to publishers for a helping hand in giving these awards out, its why I clearly stay away from unknown and random or simple unrecognisable awards and reviews.

Yes no one would ever be able to detect the distortion you made to try and put down Sony titles.

You are the only one trying to push the narrative that 1 or 2 GOTY awards for a title would make it a GOTY be it from a specific outlet or not. The point the person made was a game that got most GOTY and you tried to deflect by selecting what should be accepted or not.

And even like that you wouldn't be able to put a list of several exclusives with big GOTY count, while Sony have had that for almost every year this gen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

Yes no one would ever be able to detect the distortion you made to try and put down Sony titles.

You are the only one trying to push the narrative that 1 or 2 GOTY awards for a title would make it a GOTY be it from a specific outlet or not. The point the person made was a game that got most GOTY and you tried to deflect by selecting what should be accepted or not.

And even like that you wouldn't be able to put a list of several exclusives with big GOTY count, while Sony have had that for almost every year this gen.

I am not saying a game that wins 1 GOTY is GOTY, I am saying that the quality of the GOTY awards is what matters more.

A game that wins 10 GOTYs from the 10 biggest gaming sites to a game that won 50 GOTY awards from unknown, unpopular or unrealistic sites don't compare. In my book the game that won 10 of the bigger GOTY awards would be GOTY, weather you agree or not that is my opinion. You can claim the game that received a bunch of fluff GOTY awards if you like, that's entirely up to you. 

Also stop trying to turn this into a brand comparison. I am stating that OverWatch won the major GOTY awards, the ones that mattered, UC4 I don't even know what it won, all I know is when it comes to the bigger gaming sites it didn't beat OverWatch. If you want to grasp at straws and say UC4 is the GOTY than you might as well agree that Death Stranding is GOTY too, even though it was beaten by many other titles on the major sites as well.

I pointed out that the industry is a mess with GOTY awards and they are giving out everywhere, not just to 1 or 2 titles. I brought up 2 Xbox games that won GOTY awards just like how the other guy stated Death Stranding won GOTY awards. If you want to cling to games that win awards than cling to ALL the games that win awards or don't cling at all.



Azzanation said:

Its the quality of the awards that means most, not the quantity of the awards. That's my opinion and you both can disagree all you want. The gaming industry is a bias place and MS, Sony and Nintendo can easily pay tribute to publishers for a helping hand in giving these awards out, its why I clearly stay away from unknown and random or simple unrecognisable awards and reviews.

Désolé Fred/TruckOSaurus... Mais ça doit être dit d’une façon où d’une autre.

Calice que t’es un tabarnak de cave! What makes a random group of people voting for one given game of the year above another random group of people voting for whatever else game of the year? Their budget? Credential? What credential? Have you ever read anything other than what’s mainstream in the US? Have you ever used your brain to think for yourself or are you fine regurgitating what the mass media tells you, without ever trying to dig deeper into what goes on behind the decisions to choose a game of the year over all other choices available. You discount everything that isn’t written by the English gaming press as if anyone from a different background holds no credibility. Because, hey, they don’t have an award show?

Most game of the year awards for most if not all publications are chosen by a panel no more or no less credible or knowledgeable than the TGA show.

But because the TGA is a popular show, you dismiss everything else and choose it as gospel? You are basically admitting to being nothing more than a brainless automate by regurgitating this kind of argument. Shallow, petty, biased, and an automate? *Slow claps*


Good job, you’ve evolved heaps since the day you signed on here.

Last edited by Hynad - on 17 March 2020

Hynad said:

Désolé Fred/TruckO... Mais ça doit être dit d’une façon où une autre.

Calice que t’es cave! What makes a random group of people voting for one given game of the year above another random group of people? Their budget?

Your arguments keep staying stupid and shallow. 

Good job, you’ve evolved heaps since the day you signed on here.

I have no idea what you just said, and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.