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last92 said:
I suppose this means I'm becoming a PC only gamer.

Really weird choice by Sony.

Your post made my day. With any luck Sony will continue to add games to PC. 



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DonFerrari said:

Let me get this straight, Xbox is on the surge because after losing 40% of their userbase they are preparing for a new gen and will "sell much better because of reasons"?

And I also got that GOTY awards should be counted by the ones you agree or not so you can shift which game was the GOTY winner for the year. Even though you consider awards are useless and metacritic doesn't matter.

Oh I wouldn’t take you for this, he should have said “brand/PR surge”. I’m sure you are aware they have been setting themselves up for a fresh start (with their shit together this time) for the past couple years. A guys allowed to be optimistic and certainly we are all aware of XB1s market share. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Azzanation said:
twintail said:

No one goes to buy a DVD without knowing that they have a DVD player. Are you calling bluray anti-consumer because someone went to the store expecting it to work on their non-bluray player?

So is diesel not consumer-friendly because my car only takes petrol? Buying a song off iTunes and not having it work on Spotify? Smasung Pay is anti-consumer because it can only be used on Samsung devices?

Consumer-friendly means that a product/ service benefits the consumer who has bought the product. Did you buy an X1 expecting to play PS4 games? Because that would mean you were misinformed about your purchase, not that the X1 is now magically not consumer-friendly. As long as your console is benefiting you in the ways that it should (ie, good hardware, software variety)  then they device is consumer-friendly.

A product not being able to do something that it was not designed to is not anti-consumer. You are buying an X1 to play X1 games. An X1 game that happens to be exclusive is not to the detriment of an X1 user. Mario is not suddenly not consumer friendly because it only works on a Switch. It is consumer friendly because it is benefiting the very people who own a switch are are buying the game. 

What about multiplatform games? I own a PS4 but I really like the boxing for the Switch edition. So, now this multiplatform, non-exclusive, game is suddenly anti-consumer because I can't own any version of the game? Because the Switch cart doesn't work on my PS4?

You buy a console/ subscribe to a service knowing very well what it can and can't do. No one has Netflix expecting Hulu and Apple to put brand new content onto it. But does Netflix provide an enjoyable experience with content you enjoy watching? Then it is consumer-friendly.  

I can't speak for GeForce Now, except that it has a paid subscription option and I have no idea how publishers are monetised by Nvidia to allow their content onto the service.

As far as I am concerned, you don't know what anti-consumer is, except that is is some buzzword you can throw around to show your disdain for something you don't like, and not because said dislike actually provides a detriment to the very consumer it is intended for. 

There is a big difference between comparing DvDs, Blu-Rays, Diesel and iTunes to devices that purposely lock out others to force someone into buying something else.

Just because you have accepted the fact you need a PS to play PS games or a Xbox to play Xbox games doesn't mean it is consumer friendly. The fact a PS4 and a XB1 are both Blu-Ray players and both cannot run other companies software goes to show how the gaming industry has the consumers by the balls. It doesn't matter what Blu-Ray player you own at home, it will play any Blu-Ray movie disk, it doesn't matter what Diesel car you own, all diesel fuels work on Diesel cars (With exceptions) like petrol will work in petrol cars etc. Imagine a world where one gas company has petrol that wont work on your car because you didn't buy the car from there service station. That's the mind set you have with the console market and you think that's okay.

The understanding on a Blu-Ray disk not working in a DvD drive has to do with the advance technology nothing to do with the company locking it out on purpose because they want you to purchase there devices instead. 

Here you are saying I don't have the correct understanding on the anti-consumer subject yet you are comparing DvD players which can read all DvD disks and cannot read Blu-Ray disks and say its the same reason a PS4 and XB1 which are both Blu-Ray players cannot read each others Blu-Ray disks. No and No. I just know how companies work and I know that they want us to spend massive amounts of money on there hardware because they can, and that majority of the console community have accepted that. Does not make it right. Its the same thing why companies are opting out from Nvidia Now because all companies are greedy and want a slice of streaming pie.

Steam works on any PC and its free, you don't need to invest in types of hardware to run Steam yet it allows any PC gamer access to basically the same 3rd party games without costing the customer $$$ which is left as an option for the customers. PS4 owners are forced to buy a PS5 because they will lose support very soon from Sony as they move onto there next big money maker and those past consumers become forgotten. Same for Nintendo and Xbox consumers as well. With Steam, the customer is never forgotten because the accounts continue to carry on and doesn't force customers to change. If you want to play Doom Eternal at 12 fps at 720p, sure you can, that's up to the customer. Do you want to play the next instalment of God of War? You will need a PS5 no questions about it, give them money. 

I will agree on one thing and that's 1st party content is an exception but when companies start pushing 3rd parties to lock games away from others like Tomb Raider, Shenmue 3, Street Fighter 5 and FF7 Remake etc this is anti-consumer and its all because companies want to have there own hardware to sell. If Hardware didn't exist the way it does than everyone will be playing games on everything which is the correct consumer friendly way. Though that will never happen.

I feel the my point that you can't have it all for a variety of different products/ services still stands. 

Something can only be anti-consumer if a product/ service benefits the company at the expense of the consumer of said product/ service. 

Because Mario only being on Switch, Halo only being on X1 and God of War being only on PS4 are, in themselves, also examples of software that actually benefits the user of those particular consoles. that said, you do agree that 1st party software is an exception and that it is really 3rd party content that falls under this.

To a point, I don't disagree. But it also requires context. This means that specific exclusives can be anti-consumer. Tome Raider is a possible example of this: MS having exclusivity (which became timed) could have benefited SE at the expense of their larger PS userbase. SF5 also ignores the previous X360 userbase, but are reports that they weren't going to fund it true? Is FF7 remake anti-consumer even though it's a remake of a previously PS1 exclusive title?

These can be argued, but they also represent a title by title situation. So yes, I agree that exclusives can be anti-consumer, but I disagree that exclusives as a concept is, because without knowledge into how these exclusives came about we can't judge that consumers are being purposely left out. 



victor83fernandes said:
Pemalite said:

We aren't throwing our PC's out of the Windows just because we bought a console.

I own a Switch, Xbox One X, Wii U, Xbox 360, Original Xbox, Super Nintendo, Nintendo, Atari 2600, Sega Master System, Playstation, Playstation 2, Playstation 3 and probably a few more I have forgotten.

I still game on PC.

PC also has exclusives, it's not like exclusives somehow only exist on consoles, far from it.

You must have reading comprehension, I never said you should throw away your PC, you missed my point entirely. Read again, I said exclusives sell consoles both to PC gamers and also to console gamers. 

Sure in the ideal world, consoles would not exist and sony and Microsoft and Nintendo would develop only for PC, then everyone could just stick with PC and play all games ever released in the history of gaming. That would be perfect, but that's not the world we live in.

If sony didn't want to sell consoles, then why don't they just quit the console market? Obviously they want to sell the consoles and for that, they need to convince people, hence the exclusives.

Don’t ever bring up reading comprehension ever again.



sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Let me get this straight, Xbox is on the surge because after losing 40% of their userbase they are preparing for a new gen and will "sell much better because of reasons"?

And I also got that GOTY awards should be counted by the ones you agree or not so you can shift which game was the GOTY winner for the year. Even though you consider awards are useless and metacritic doesn't matter.

Oh I wouldn’t take you for this, he should have said “brand/PR surge”. I’m sure you are aware they have been setting themselves up for a fresh start (with their shit together this time) for the past couple years. A guys allowed to be optimistic and certainly we are all aware of XB1s market share. 

I would accept this explanation for the first post with it, but then he reiterated. Sure he is allowed to be optimistic, but there is a valley between it and claiming it will be the success he is expecting based just on wishes.

"The surge of Xbox is being missed read for some odd reason. I am not referring to this generation I am referring to the Xbox brand and the decision making and next gen planning. Xbox is going to be bigger next gen. As others have mentioned, its what MS is building upon for next gen. If you think Sony is just going to walk out the gate with PS2 or PS4 numbers expecting no competition from Xbox or Nintendo than you need to take the glasses for a min and look around you.

Next gen is looking more like Gen 7 if the competition remains heavily competitive with no slip ups. "

Yes certainly PS5 will do like PS3 and XSX will do like X360, that rise that is already certain even before consoles are unveiled.

Not to forget the claim that X1S was part of making the market competitive, even thought it didn't spring Xbox sales up or PS sales down. Or Switch that basically even selling great didn't affect the sales of PS or Xbox.

Sorry for considering analysis from him to be completely wrong almost 100% of cases.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Random_Matt said:
last92 said:
I suppose this means I'm becoming a PC only gamer.

Really weird choice by Sony.

One game and people explode.

At least for the diehard fans, imagine an entire culture imploding on itself.

The fans proudly claim that the pillar of their brand is the 1st party exclusives that set themselves apart from Xbox, especially with MSs initiative to put theirs on PC day 1. Now they can’t claim that, any exclusive is possible on PC now....people might just wait Sony out now. I’m anxious to see what the new emerging narrative will be to adapt to this new initiative. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
Random_Matt said:

One game and people explode.

At least for the diehard fans, imagine an entire culture imploding on itself.

The fans proudly claim that the pillar of their brand is the 1st party exclusives that set themselves apart from Xbox, especially with MSs initiative to put theirs on PC day 1. Now they can’t claim that, any exclusive is possible on PC now....people might just wait Sony out now. I’m anxious to see what the new emerging narrative will be to adapt to this new initiative. 

Thank god you have matured right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

sales2099 said:
Random_Matt said:

One game and people explode.

At least for the diehard fans, imagine an entire culture imploding on itself.

The fans proudly claim that the pillar of their brand is the 1st party exclusives that set themselves apart from Xbox, especially with MSs initiative to put theirs on PC day 1. Now they can’t claim that, any exclusive is possible on PC now....people might just wait Sony out now. I’m anxious to see what the new emerging narrative will be to adapt to this new initiative. 

My narrative will be screw Sony. Just like how my narrative was Screw MS, after the disaster that was the XB1 launch and the milquetoast approach that followed. I had 30 360 games to my 11 PS3 games back in the day. If Sony drops the ball, I'll just play heavily on PC/Switch. 



victor83fernandes said:
Pemalite said:

We aren't throwing our PC's out of the Windows just because we bought a console.

I own a Switch, Xbox One X, Wii U, Xbox 360, Original Xbox, Super Nintendo, Nintendo, Atari 2600, Sega Master System, Playstation, Playstation 2, Playstation 3 and probably a few more I have forgotten.

I still game on PC.

PC also has exclusives, it's not like exclusives somehow only exist on consoles, far from it.

You must have reading comprehension, I never said you should throw away your PC, you missed my point entirely. Read again, I said exclusives sell consoles both to PC gamers and also to console gamers. 

Sure in the ideal world, consoles would not exist and sony and Microsoft and Nintendo would develop only for PC, then everyone could just stick with PC and play all games ever released in the history of gaming. That would be perfect, but that's not the world we live in.

If sony didn't want to sell consoles, then why don't they just quit the console market? Obviously they want to sell the consoles and for that, they need to convince people, hence the exclusives.

You don't need exclusives to sell a system. How can they sell a system? Better online, better/more features, multimedia options, etc. The Xbox One is still selling despite having no exclusives other than Halo 5. PlayStation doesn't need exclusives either. The casuals don't really buy exclusives for these systems. The top selling games are dominated by 3rd party. The only exception to the rule is Nintendo where their 1st party games dominate. So it usually goes like this for Xbox and PS, 3rd party sells the systems first while 1st party takes a backseat. Whereas Nintendo it's the complete opposite.



Zoombael said:

Is there are a big difference? When the usual anti-consumer whiner comparing videogames to other media (books, movies) differences are categorically ignored, thinking what goes for one can be applied 1:1 to the other. Now all over sudden you notice something. Ya, right.

Mate your post makes me facepalm hard. There is a massive difference between comparing diesel and petrol fuel being different to two devices that use the exact same Blu-Ray drives that purposely lock out other Blu-Ray discs to force sell hardware.

Technology and evolutions happen which is common sense to why a VHS wont work in a CD player. Dont compare tech evolutions with anti-consumer practices.

DonFerrari said:

Let me get this straight, Xbox is on the surge because after losing 40% of their userbase they are preparing for a new gen and will "sell much better because of reasons"?

And I also got that GOTY awards should be counted by the ones you agree or not so you can shift which game was the GOTY winner for the year. Even though you consider awards are useless and metacritic doesn't matter.

You honestly need glasses when reading my posts and its funny its the same old who twists and turns my posts to try to attempt making me look bad. As stated the surge of Xbox is not referring to this gen.

A games quality is always about the individuals preference and never based off Awards and metascores. If you are referring to the thread of FF7 vs Zelda OoT, that wasn't rocket science, that was about peoples personal opinions not which game scored higher on Meta.

Try harder next time Don, i know the games you play on this site.