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PSwii60 said:

I’ll leave this link that many here may find interesting. I’m not sure if it’s been posted before.
Keep an open mind, and hear this guy out.

https://www.amazon.com/Pandemia-Coronavirus-Hysteria-Government-Rights-ebook/dp/B08XJRRZJP/ref=nodl_

you want people to "keep an open mind" and buy a 400 page book and read it through? That's worse than the standard "watch this youtube video I'm linking you" post. 



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Here’s the description of the book:

“The most important fact about the coronavirus pandemic that turned the world upside down in 2020 is that our response to it has been an epic overreaction driven by a disastrous confluence of public and private interests—all of them purporting to “follow the science.””

“Pandemia explains how an illness that many people will never even know they had became the occasion for economically ruinous lockdowns and the suppression of personal freedom on a previously unimaginable scale. Dispassionate, factual, and untainted by any agenda other than telling the truth, this is the account that pandemic-weary Americans desperately need.”

He talks about “Farr’s Law”.

He also defined, to a degree. what a virus is and how it worked.

That’s all I’ll say. At least read the reviews and see what it says.



I feel like the UK was heading towards another lockdown with or without omicron floating around, but to soften the blow, there needed to be some media buzz about a new variant. Why not just stick to the actual numbers of hospitalisations and ITU admissions? the capacity of the healthcare system is the only a metric that should be used to justify lockdowns, not some variant that we'd be only so lucky if it infected everyone spreading natural immunity and only causing a mild infection.



Bandorr said:
PSwii60 said:

Here’s the description of the book:

“The most important fact about the coronavirus pandemic that turned the world upside down in 2020 is that our response to it has been an epic overreaction driven by a disastrous confluence of public and private interests—all of them purporting to “follow the science.””

“Pandemia explains how an illness that many people will never even know they had became the occasion for economically ruinous lockdowns and the suppression of personal freedom on a previously unimaginable scale. Dispassionate, factual, and untainted by any agenda other than telling the truth, this is the account that pandemic-weary Americans desperately need.”

He talks about “Farr’s Law”.

He also defined, to a degree. what a virus is and how it worked.

That’s all I’ll say. At least read the reviews and see what it says.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Berenson

The author is a disaster. Permanently banned from twitter, and not even Fox news wants to deal with him.

He wrote a book about Marijuana that looks like it was heavily denounced.

And for fun an article written solely about him. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

He's a quack, a right-wing nut job.

Don't shill for this person it's embarrassing.

What I think is kinda funny, is how many of the "critical thinkers" (this one included) want to prevent you to fall into panic about COVID-19, but at the same time want you to panic about vaccines.



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LurkerJ said:

I feel like the UK was heading towards another lockdown with or without omicron floating around, but to soften the blow, there needed to be some media buzz about a new variant. Why not just stick to the actual numbers of hospitalisations and ITU admissions? the capacity of the healthcare system is the only a metric that should be used to justify lockdowns, not some variant that we'd be only so lucky if it infected everyone spreading natural immunity and only causing a mild infection.

While I agree that the capacity of the health care system should be the driving force behind defining measures, the problem is that we see the full result on that only a week or two after earlier indicators like number of infection. And the nature of exponential growth means, in this week the number of patients can be doubled without preventive measures.

As medical experts say: in a epedemic situation the most important is early reaction.



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PSwii60 said:

Here’s the description of the book:

“The most important fact about the coronavirus pandemic that turned the world upside down in 2020 is that our response to it has been an epic overreaction driven by a disastrous confluence of public and private interests—all of them purporting to “follow the science.””

“Pandemia explains how an illness that many people will never even know they had became the occasion for economically ruinous lockdowns and the suppression of personal freedom on a previously unimaginable scale. Dispassionate, factual, and untainted by any agenda other than telling the truth, this is the account that pandemic-weary Americans desperately need.”

He talks about “Farr’s Law”.

He also defined, to a degree. what a virus is and how it worked.

That’s all I’ll say. At least read the reviews and see what it says.

That's some A level rewriting history. It's like the crisis in Italy never happened. NY never had a problem, there weren't people dying in India due to lack of oxygen, hospitals all over the world weren't on the brink of collapsing. All those grim predictions what would happen without social distancing, working from home and lock downs seem very accurate when you simply look at the facts. Just look at what happens with hospitalization numbers when lock downs end.

Our response to the pandemic has been too slow, hence we're currently looking at 5.35 million deaths which is still under counted and why we're still having lock downs and regular new mutations to worry about with over 22 million active cases around the world.



I think what's wrong the politics now is how no one would reach across the aisle and meet anybody halfway anymore. That's why I read this book to understand why and where the right-wing actually is. I mean, I'm a minority and have worked for the unions the worked closely with Kamala Harris. I mostly vote for Democrats and believe that Trump is the worst that ever came into the oval office.
I watch Maddow, Hayes, even progressive channels like TYT and independent YT channels like the Pakman show. I even cringe at watching Fox shows because of the way they spin things. The only thing I ever give props for is Tucker because of how unapologetic of a troll he is and how he can make people believe his every word.

First of all, I definitely blame Trump for how he handled the pandemic. If he really was worried about the lockdowns, he should've handled it in the first place and investigated the first doctor that ever reported who also warned the world and find out where he ended up and definitely sought patient-zero to develop the 'alpha' vaccine.

All I'm saying is there is a certain degree of propaganda to democratic media, too. All I'm interested in is finding where the right-wing media is and hopefully understand where they're coming from. I mean, that's how politics used to be: working out the kinks and differences with one another and have a good conversation with one another.

Find out what the source model of where all this data came from, is it reliable? Is it applicable in the now? Who benefitted the most out of the pandemic? How they did benefit from this? Did they play a hand in the narrative? Did China really buy out all those masks from every other country before the pandemic hit the world? Were they the only country that has masks?

I mean, there's always a question, right?



Bandorr said:
PSwii60 said:

Here’s the description of the book:

“The most important fact about the coronavirus pandemic that turned the world upside down in 2020 is that our response to it has been an epic overreaction driven by a disastrous confluence of public and private interests—all of them purporting to “follow the science.””

“Pandemia explains how an illness that many people will never even know they had became the occasion for economically ruinous lockdowns and the suppression of personal freedom on a previously unimaginable scale. Dispassionate, factual, and untainted by any agenda other than telling the truth, this is the account that pandemic-weary Americans desperately need.”

He talks about “Farr’s Law”.

He also defined, to a degree. what a virus is and how it worked.

That’s all I’ll say. At least read the reviews and see what it says.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Berenson

The author is a disaster. Permanently banned from twitter, and not even Fox news wants to deal with him.

He wrote a book about Marijuana that looks like it was heavily denounced.

And for fun an article written solely about him. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

He's a quack, a right-wing nut job.

Don't shill for this person it's embarrassing.

Nancy Mace is leading the charge in taxing and regulating marijuana right now. I'm definitely all for legalization... not sure about taxation though.

I've also supported the legalization of mushroom, and other psychedelics (LSD, MDMA And Psilocybin).



LurkerJ said:

I feel like the UK was heading towards another lockdown with or without omicron floating around, but to soften the blow, there needed to be some media buzz about a new variant. Why not just stick to the actual numbers of hospitalisations and ITU admissions? the capacity of the healthcare system is the only a metric that should be used to justify lockdowns, not some variant that we'd be only so lucky if it infected everyone spreading natural immunity and only causing a mild infection.

Theres some truth to that, imo.
Most places will be doing a soft lockdown, in order to slow, spread rates.

Omikron is like 8 times as transmitable as delta was.

The doubleing rate, is like 1,5 day(s) (or less).

You have to remember, that hospitalisations lag behinde infections, by like 2-3 weeks, and deaths by like 4-6 weeks.

So todays 7day avg (of around 900 critical ill, hospitalised with covid, is well under the ~4000 or so, it had it its peak).
However, 3 weeks ago, infections in the UK wasnt as dramatic as it is today.

How will the big picture look a month down the line? or two? esp. after Christmas family gatherings?

January, is bound to see a drastic increase in hospitalisations to covid.
And with how transmittable omikron is, its better to try slowing it abit, so it doesnt wash over everyone all at once, and break the care system (past their stress points).



PSwii60 said:

I think what's wrong the politics now is how no one would reach across the aisle and meet anybody halfway anymore. That's why I read this book to understand why and where the right-wing actually is. I mean, I'm a minority and have worked for the unions the worked closely with Kamala Harris. I mostly vote for Democrats and believe that Trump is the worst that ever came into the oval office.
I watch Maddow, Hayes, even progressive channels like TYT and independent YT channels like the Pakman show. I even cringe at watching Fox shows because of the way they spin things. The only thing I ever give props for is Tucker because of how unapologetic of a troll he is and how he can make people believe his every word.

First of all, I definitely blame Trump for how he handled the pandemic. If he really was worried about the lockdowns, he should've handled it in the first place and investigated the first doctor that ever reported who also warned the world and find out where he ended up and definitely sought patient-zero to develop the 'alpha' vaccine.

All I'm saying is there is a certain degree of propaganda to democratic media, too. All I'm interested in is finding where the right-wing media is and hopefully understand where they're coming from. I mean, that's how politics used to be: working out the kinks and differences with one another and have a good conversation with one another.

Find out what the source model of where all this data came from, is it reliable? Is it applicable in the now? Who benefitted the most out of the pandemic? How they did benefit from this? Did they play a hand in the narrative? Did China really buy out all those masks from every other country before the pandemic hit the world? Were they the only country that has masks?

I mean, there's always a question, right?

The rich benefitted. (while the poor, got much poorer)
Companies, the big ones. Ones that got tax breaks, or state aid.

"The 400 richest Americans added $4.5tn to their wealth last year, a 40% rise, even as the pandemic shuttered large parts of the US, according to Forbes magazine’s latest tally of the country’s richest people."


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/05/richest-americans-became-richer-during-pandemic


The corrupt in goverments, given contracts they didnt honor, and never planned too.
You can bet your arse, Trump used the pandemic to enrich himself, and his friends.


"Did they play a hand in the narrative? Did China really buy out all those masks from every other country before the pandemic hit the world? Were they the only country that has masks?" - PSwii60

Yes China, lied to buy themselves a few weeks advantage, and started panic buying things, and hording production for themselves (becaused they had a need for it, the outbreak was worst there at the beginning).  Dont blame them for that though, most other countries would do the same.

And to be honest, the west, squandered our "advanced warning", we had.
Even after realiseing it was in china, most of the west was like "perphaps it wont spread to us?" ,
"why should we shut down our economy for so little spread, its only a few people infected now!"

Anything china did in harm, with not notifying the rest of the world, properly once they knew, we did worse to ourselves.
Out of greed.

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"First of all, I definitely blame Trump for how he handled the pandemic. " - PSwii60

You should.
He put economy and self intrests, above the lives and health of the country.
Then he made it a political issue. Wearing masks, getting vaccinated, ect ect, lies about what treatments works ect.... he has probably indirectly killed a good 100,000 people or more, because of his choices in handling the pandemic.  Ontop of that, he had a habit of ignoreing expert advise. Anti science, stance, probably made his handling less than ideal.

Apart from that, like so many other countries, there was corruption, and mis-use of funds, for contracts, handed out to "friends" instead of the most well suited, for the task. With many of these people, just pocketing the money, and giveing a product not working.

USA has lost atleast 826,000+ people to Covid.
Everyday another 2,000 or so die to it.
Before we're out of this pandemic, its likely to have killed well over a million people, in the USA alone.

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