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47K today in the US. 46K in Brazil. Plus 193k worldwide breaking the record for highest new cases in a day.



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Arizona is reducing the hospitalized numbers by putting people in tents and counting that as non hospitalized patients lol.



jason1637 said:
Arizona is reducing the hospitalized numbers by putting people in tents and counting that as non hospitalized patients lol.

Are they still charging them the same amount for hospital stay? Or is there a tent discount...



Update for the world, it's record Friday again :/

Close to 200K cases reported world wide (193K), 3-day average of 118% week over week change, up from 113% week over week last Friday.
The USA is growing at 145% week over week, Europe declining at 86% week over week.

The USA is now above its previous peak in cases (35,223 April 24th) currently at 42,209
Tomorrow the world will pass 10 million total reported cases (97K to go) with close to or over half a million reported deaths.

The continents

South America leads with 59,404 cases per day, passed 2 million total cases today.
North America passed Asia again, at 51,666 cases per day, will pass 3 million total cases tomorrow if not Sunday.
Asia growing steadily, now at 45,171 cases per day, recently passed 2 million total cases.
Europe slowly declining, currently at 14,204 cases per day
Africa growing, might pass Europe next week, now at 11,717 cases per day
Oceania still off the map but increased to 37 cases per day


The different strategies

Brazil and USA are virtually tied at a 42.5K 3 day average.
India and Iran carrying on as before.
Canada is incomplete since now Quebec (the 2nd largest contributor) decided not to post numbers again until Monday.
Japan is heading the wrong way, South Korea not really managing to get back down while Australia is starting to find more cases :/

Week over week for the big ones

The USA is currently in the lead for week over week growth, 145%, just over 13 days to double current daily reported cases.
India and Brazil both growing, Brazil's data is still quite messy.
Iran is having waves despite never really going down, their reported deaths have been climbing again as well.
Canada declining slowly.

It's not looking good. I'm not very optimistic about the phase 2 re-openings that started today. First result, grid-lock downtown after a vehicle crash blocking our most important intersection right off one of the two bridges over the river, blocking the traffic from the other bridge as well since the only alternative is closed for work doh.

Last edited by SvennoJ - on 26 June 2020

SvennoJ said:
jason1637 said:
Arizona is reducing the hospitalized numbers by putting people in tents and counting that as non hospitalized patients lol.

Are they still charging them the same amount for hospital stay? Or is there a tent discount...

Not sure but the wording id assume the same. Note that Arizona is in a desert so it must  e crazy hot outside. 



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SpokenTruth said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
You guys think this sudden increase in the last few days in USA has any relation with all the protests that started one month ago? I would say yes but it doesn't seems to exist a relation between the states with more protests and the states with the sudden increase in the last few days.

NO, and I'll give you a very simple reason why.  Imagine a large city.  I'll use mine for example.

Protests: 3,000 people outside wearing masks.
Opening too soon: 600,000 people indoors shopping with no masks (based on my personal tabulation of mask to no mask ratio).

You guys keep repeating this but Youtube is FULL with videos where you can see A LOT of protesters and police officers not only not wearing masks, but shouting in each other faces and outright engaging in melee confrontation.



sethnintendo said:
JRPGfan said:

CDC are saying US could have over 300,000 deaths due to the virus before years end.
ei. the next 6months+ will likely cost like 175,000 more people their life in the US.

Also you didn't factor in that ;
a) Not everyone that gets covid19, and recovers actually has meaningfull antibodies afterwards (95% do, but 5% seem not too).
b) Some with very mild cases only have immunity for like 2months time.
c) Also scientists say 70%+ of population might need to be infected before herd immunity is achieved.
*d) New strain of Covid19 (d614g mutation), mutated so much, antibodies from earlier infection, doesnt help any (as people in china are finding out).

Herd immunity takes time, it wont come in another 6 months time (imo).
Also you'll likely run into people that have had it, recovered, lost their antibodies in the meantime, and need to get re-infected with it again.

Imagine building up herd immunity to covid19, by just letting it spread... and then the virus mutates so your "herd immunity" doesnt do anything against it. In China they actually have a differnt strain than the ones in europe/us, and found that people who had their version, arnt immune towards ours.

a) your body can have b and t cells that fight virus instead of just antibodies

b) scientist still don't know everything about immune response

c) virus is obviously transmitting at fast pace if over 20 million or more might have already been infected in USA

d) even if it mutated your immune system would still have partial defense.  Isn't that what they always say about flu shots they get wrong every year?  It might not match the top strains for year but if you do get the flu supposedly the effects are less or so they say

e) I was just bsing around but what should have happened perhaps instead of nation wide lockdowns is we should have just let young people spread it among themselves and shipped all the old people to Antarctica or Greenland if pesky Denmark would have sold it to us

a) B- and T-cells *are* you're learned immune answer. Both cell-types react to specific proteins or other molecules. In a case of an infection the body tries to identify proteins specific to the attacker (either virus or bacteria) and reproduce B- and T-cells with receptors for that molecule. After an infection both types of cells have some variants that live longer, these are memmory cells. The memory cells can in case of a new infection with the same virus or bacteria be reproduced very quickly. B-cells produce antibodies, that connect to the molecule they identify and destroy it. T-cells kill cells that show the molecule that they identify, in case of a viral infection they kill the cells of your own body that are infected and reproduce more of the virus.

b) Scientist don't know a lot about many things. Still, they also know a lot already and this current knowledge has already applications. For how long an achieved immunity will hold: too many factors are unclear yet. That doesn't mean we can expect a long-lasting immunity.

c) Maybe. You just said scientists don't know everything. There are different projections on how many people got already infected. You chose one on the higher end. So, what scientists really say is: *up* to 20 million may have been already infected. But maybe less.

d) As I answered in a, our immune response reacts to certain molecules. If a mutation changes these molecules, so that the receptors don't work anymore, you still need a new immune respone. Your immune system may react to multiple molecules from the infection. In that case changing one molecule will lead to partial immunity, as other receptors still work. Also some receptors may check for molecules, that are needed for the functioning of the virus, so that any change in that renders the virus harmless. But it is all a maybe, maybe your immune system only picks one specific molecule, maybe that can mutate and the virus will still work.

e) Even young people die more often from this virus than from the flu. More importantly: even young people may receive permament damage. This is still unclear, we will only know about permament damage really ten years down the line. But current information is worrying, as even light infections seem to leave damage and scarring that stays so far even after recovery. And more serious cases are reported to be severely affected and may years to fully recover.



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jason1637 said:
Arizona is reducing the hospitalized numbers by putting people in tents and counting that as non hospitalized patients lol.

Cant trust Florida numbers completely either.
They fired a person that worked on reporting numbers, because she refused to "fudge" with the numbers for them.
(this was awhile back)

But man 47,400 new daily cases in the US.

Dont worry Trump has the solution!
Cut funding for all the testing sites, so they close down.
You cant find cases, if you dont test for them! next level smarts!



EnricoPallazzo said:
You guys think this sudden increase in the last few days in USA has any relation with all the protests that started one month ago? I would say yes but it doesn't seems to exist a relation between the states with more protests and the states with the sudden increase in the last few days.

It has a lot to do with states lifting restrictions and people getting sick of the restrictions and acting less cautious.



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Kinda bizarre to see that even Africa will surpass Europe soon in daily cases and that other countries (*cough* USA *cough*) never really got out of the first wave.
The virus still hasn't peaked globally. Confirmed cases will reach 10m and deaths 500k on the same day.

Still going to be a long way until things will be like they were in 2019.

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