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sethnintendo said:
JRPGfan said:

CDC are saying US could have over 300,000 deaths due to the virus before years end.
ei. the next 6months+ will likely cost like 175,000 more people their life in the US.

Also you didn't factor in that ;
a) Not everyone that gets covid19, and recovers actually has meaningfull antibodies afterwards (95% do, but 5% seem not too).
b) Some with very mild cases only have immunity for like 2months time.
c) Also scientists say 70%+ of population might need to be infected before herd immunity is achieved.
*d) New strain of Covid19 (d614g mutation), mutated so much, antibodies from earlier infection, doesnt help any (as people in china are finding out).

Herd immunity takes time, it wont come in another 6 months time (imo).
Also you'll likely run into people that have had it, recovered, lost their antibodies in the meantime, and need to get re-infected with it again.

Imagine building up herd immunity to covid19, by just letting it spread... and then the virus mutates so your "herd immunity" doesnt do anything against it. In China they actually have a differnt strain than the ones in europe/us, and found that people who had their version, arnt immune towards ours.

a) your body can have b and t cells that fight virus instead of just antibodies

b) scientist still don't know everything about immune response

c) virus is obviously transmitting at fast pace if over 20 million or more might have already been infected in USA

d) even if it mutated your immune system would still have partial defense.  Isn't that what they always say about flu shots they get wrong every year?  It might not match the top strains for year but if you do get the flu supposedly the effects are less or so they say

e) I was just bsing around but what should have happened perhaps instead of nation wide lockdowns is we should have just let young people spread it among themselves and shipped all the old people to Antarctica or Greenland if pesky Denmark would have sold it to us

a) B- and T-cells *are* you're learned immune answer. Both cell-types react to specific proteins or other molecules. In a case of an infection the body tries to identify proteins specific to the attacker (either virus or bacteria) and reproduce B- and T-cells with receptors for that molecule. After an infection both types of cells have some variants that live longer, these are memmory cells. The memory cells can in case of a new infection with the same virus or bacteria be reproduced very quickly. B-cells produce antibodies, that connect to the molecule they identify and destroy it. T-cells kill cells that show the molecule that they identify, in case of a viral infection they kill the cells of your own body that are infected and reproduce more of the virus.

b) Scientist don't know a lot about many things. Still, they also know a lot already and this current knowledge has already applications. For how long an achieved immunity will hold: too many factors are unclear yet. That doesn't mean we can expect a long-lasting immunity.

c) Maybe. You just said scientists don't know everything. There are different projections on how many people got already infected. You chose one on the higher end. So, what scientists really say is: *up* to 20 million may have been already infected. But maybe less.

d) As I answered in a, our immune response reacts to certain molecules. If a mutation changes these molecules, so that the receptors don't work anymore, you still need a new immune respone. Your immune system may react to multiple molecules from the infection. In that case changing one molecule will lead to partial immunity, as other receptors still work. Also some receptors may check for molecules, that are needed for the functioning of the virus, so that any change in that renders the virus harmless. But it is all a maybe, maybe your immune system only picks one specific molecule, maybe that can mutate and the virus will still work.

e) Even young people die more often from this virus than from the flu. More importantly: even young people may receive permament damage. This is still unclear, we will only know about permament damage really ten years down the line. But current information is worrying, as even light infections seem to leave damage and scarring that stays so far even after recovery. And more serious cases are reported to be severely affected and may years to fully recover.



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