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Different strategies update

South Korea and Japan are both flirting with the start of another possible wave.
Australia keeps dropping further, only 4 new cases today.
Canada stabilizing a bit, Ontario found another 223 'delayed' cases.

Week over week

The USA is hovering around the 100% atm, Canada still at 75% week over week.
Iran is suddenly taking a plunge downwards, India slowing down a bit or reaching testing capacity (close to 11K cases reported today)



Then Brazil, which might be disappearing from the charts...
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/brazil-gov-t-yanks-virus-death-toll-as-data-befuddles-experts-1.4973286

Brazil’s government has stopped publishing a running total of coronavirus deaths and infections in an extraordinary move that critics call an attempt to hide the true toll of the disease in Latin America’s largest nation.

Saturday’s move came after months of criticism from experts that Brazil’s statistics are woefully deficient, and in some cases manipulated, so it may never be possible to understand the depth of the pandemic in the country.

On Friday, the federal Health Ministry took down a website that had showed daily, weekly and monthly figures on infections and deaths in Brazilian states. On Saturday, the site returned but the cumulative numbers of infections for states and the nation were no longer there. The site now shows only the numbers for the previous 24 hours.

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro tweeted Saturday that disease totals are “not representative” of the country’s current situation.


A Bolsonaro ally contended to the newspaper O Globo that at least some states had sent falsified data to the Health Ministry, implying that they were exaggerating the toll. Carlos Wizard, a businessman expected to assume a high-level post in the Health Ministry, said the federal government would conduct a review to determine a “more accurate”′ toll. “The number we have today is fanciful or manipulated,” Wizard said.

A council of state health secretaries said it would fight the changes by Bolsonaro, who has dismissed the gravity of the coronavirus pandemic and tried to thwart attempts to impose quarantines, curfews and social distancing, arguing those steps are causing more damage to the economy than the illness.

The article goes on with examples how deaths are being reclassified, reshuffled or downright hidden in an effort to downplay the impact of covid19. I guess worldinfometer will keep updating the daily figures and maintaining their own totals, even though the numbers are clearly incomplete at best.



It's not just Brazil playing with fire, opening back up too soon.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/world-reaches-400-000-virus-deaths-as-pope-urges-caution-1.4973301

Many counties like the U.S. and Britain insist that they can ease restrictions before having stalled their outbreaks. In the U.S., the virus churns on underneath the unrest provoked by the death of George Floyd and increasingly directed at President Donald Trump's handling of the protests.

On Sunday, the U.K. revealed that places of worship can reopen from June 15 -- but only for private prayer. Worries have surfaced over the past couple of weeks that Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government is easing the restrictions too soon, with new infections potentially still running at 8,000 a day. As things stands, nonessential shops, including department stores, are due to reopen on June 15.

In France, the government announced that from Tuesday, it will ease restrictions limiting travel from the French mainland to overseas territories in the Caribbean and Indian Ocean.

Spain is preparing to take another step forward in the scaling back of its containment with Madrid and Barcelona opening the interiors of restaurants with reduced seating on Monday.

In Turkey, Istanbul residents flocked to the city's shores and parks on the first weekend with no lockdown, prompting a reprimand from the health minister.

Pakistan is pushing toward 100,000 confirmed infections as medical professionals plead for more controls and greater enforcement of social distancing directives. But Prime Minister Imran Khan said a full shutdown would devastate a failing economy.

India confirmed 9,971 new coronavirus cases in another biggest single-day spike, a day before it prepares to reopen shopping malls, hotels and religious places after a 10-week lockdown.

 



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John2290 said:

Oh boy, oh boy.

Bloodly hell.... how many people is that? all gathered together like that!

USA is heading for a new outbreak, no way you guys keep Rt under 1, when you have this many people gathering together in such sizes.


Does USA go back into lockdown a month from now?
Does Trump "cancel" the elections, due to new outbreak of coronavirus? He'll pull a putin, and just give himself 4 more years?



sethnintendo said:
Yes I'd hate to pass it on to others but I have yet to wear one. I barely go to stores and stay away from everyone at least 6 feet. My understanding was that as long as you can maintain social distance then mask wasn't that important. Thought it was mainly for people that have to crowd together like in public transportation. Here in Texas a majority still wear them in stores but more people are starting not to. Yes I know I'm terrible person not wearing one but I try to stick to nose breathing only and barely any talking while in gas station or store.

The mask reduce the particles you emit. In the open these particles are dispersed by moving air quickly, so the distancing takes effect. In closed spaces, without air circulation, the particles can stay and gather and spread throughout the room. There are examples of superspreading events that took distancing into account. The variable was time and closed room. Also talking/singing. So, the rule of thumb should be: wear a mask if you are close to others and indoors if these rooms are used by other people too.



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John2290 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Drug addictions are bad mmmkay?

Try and go sober, we believe in you!

Coffee is not a drug, it's a natural supplement. Maby freeze dried instant coffee could be classified as a drug but not freshly ground beans. 

By that logic opium wouldn't be a drug, either. Or tobacco, weed or alcohol for that matter.



John2290 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Drug addictions are bad mmmkay?

Try and go sober, we believe in you!

Coffee is not a drug, it's a natural supplement. Maby freeze dried instant coffee could be classified as a drug but not freshly ground beans. 

Most drugs are natural products.



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JRPGfan said:
John2290 said:

Oh boy, oh boy.

Bloodly hell.... how many people is that? all gathered together like that!

USA is heading for a new outbreak, no way you guys keep Rt under 1, when you have this many people gathering together in such sizes.


Does USA go back into lockdown a month from now?
Does Trump "cancel" the elections, due to new outbreak of coronavirus? He'll pull a putin, and just give himself 4 more years?

Unlike Putin, he can't. His term ends in January, and both House and Senate need a 2/3 majority vote to extend that date further, and that won't happen. He needs to get elected to stay in power, at least for now.



JRPGfan said:
John2290 said:

Oh boy, oh boy.

Bloodly hell.... how many people is that? all gathered together like that!

USA is heading for a new outbreak, no way you guys keep Rt under 1, when you have this many people gathering together in such sizes.


Does USA go back into lockdown a month from now?
Does Trump "cancel" the elections, due to new outbreak of coronavirus? He'll pull a putin, and just give himself 4 more years?

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/07/hollywood-george-floyd-protest/
20,000 People Protest In Hollywood, Smaller Groups March Throughout LA And Orange Counties

There's no chance anymore this won't cause a significant increase in infections






The only reason numbers could be going down atm is, nobody has time to get tested...



Meanwhile

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/new-zealand-coronavirus-1.5602674

With recovery of last case, New Zealand has eradicated the novel coronavirus. Monday marked first time since late February that there have been no active cases. It has been 17 days since the last new case was reported in New Zealand, while 40,000 more people have been tested in that time.

New Zealand appears to have completely eradicated the novel coronavirus — at least for now — after health officials said Monday the last known infected person had recovered. The announcement was greeted with joy around the country and means the nation of five million people will be among the first to welcome throngs of fans back into sports stadiums, embrace crowded concerts and remove seating restrictions from flights.



Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she was confident New Zealand had halted the spread of the virus but it still must be prepared for more. "We are confident we have eliminated transmission of the virus in New Zealand for now, but elimination is not a point in time, it is a sustained effort, We almost certainly will see cases here again. And I do want to say that again: we will almost certainly see cases here again, and that is not a sign that we have failed, it is a reality of this virus. But if and when that occurs we have to make sure — and we are — that we are prepared."

More cases are likely to be imported as people enter the country. For now, the border remains shut to all but citizens and residents, with some limited exceptions. Everybody who does enter has to go into quarantine. Ardern announced that the cabinet had agreed to remove almost all remaining virus restrictions from midnight, with the exception of the border strictures.

@SpokenTruth Time to add New Zealand to the 'solved' chart :)



Number of new infections here in The Netherlands will be inconsistent for a while. The small rise in cases is due to everyone who wants to being able to get tested since 1 June, causing a steep rise in conducted tests. About 2% of tests are positive now. Meanwhile though reported deaths and hospital admissions are nearing 0, going as low as 2 and 3 respectively yesterday and 3 and 5 today. It’s waiting on the day when there’s no more deaths and people having to go to a hospital for this.



Luxembourg is down to 30 active cases, hopefully we can soon also join the elusive club of Covid-free countries.