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John2290 said:
SvennoJ said:

Updates for Europe (these graphs are getting long)

The weekend always does a good job getting the numbers down, only Ireland and Russia kept on testing at the regular pace.
Russia now adds 43.4% of the daily cases in Europe, up 3.4% from a few days ago.

Italy has been tracking lower than before the lock down for a few days now:

Italy 100 reported cases per day Feb 25th (-25)
Italy lock down March 9th with 1422 reported cases per day (-12)
Italy growth peak March 21st + 12 days (0) highest reported cases 6557
Italy reported deaths peak March 27th + 18 days (+6) highest reported deaths in a single day 919
Italy active case peak April 19th + 41 days (+29)
Italy back to lock down numbers May 4th +56 days (+44)

From lock down up the hill and back down took 56 days or 44 days since reaching the growth peak.
Back down to 100 cases per day will still take a while.


For comparison

China lock down Januari 23rd with 260 reported cases per day (-12)
China growth peak Februari 4th + 12 days (0) highest reported cases 3884
China reported deaths peak Februari 12th + 20 days (8) highest reported deaths 146
China active case peak Februari 17th + 25 days (13)
China back to lock down numbers March 1st + 38 days (30)

China had a smaller outbreak, growth peak was reached in the same time after lock down but it only took 38 days instead of 56 to get back down.


Spain is pretty similar to Italy

Spain 100 per day Mar 6th (-20)
Spain lock down March 14th with 1614 reported cases per day (-12)
Spain growth peak March 26st + 12 days (0) highest reported cases 8271
Spain death peak April 2nd + 19 days (7) highest reported deaths 961
Spain active case peak April 23rd + 40 (+28)
Spain back to lockdown numbers currently at 2600 cases per day


Reported deaths are all in decline as well in Europe

Russia made it to the top 5, Sweden is moving up by holding steady.
UK represents 42.4% of daily reported deaths in Europe.


Week over week comparisons show the current trends

Spain and Germany are still under 100% but have been creeping up, not slowing fast anymore.
The UK finally dipped back under the 100%, France just had some corrections (old cases) messing things up.
Italy is keeping its steady decline.
Belgium has lost its week over week decline which the Netherlands is holding on to.
Ireland is still declining at a good pace, Denmark barely declining while Sweden is back to increasing week over week.

Overall Europe is flat week over week, 100.2% compared to last week. Russia single-handedly wipes out any ground made in the rest of Europe.

Russia isn't in Europe, it's in Asia. 

What percentage of Russia's population is in Europe?
75 percent

Although the biggest country in the world predominantly lies beyond the Ural Mountains its population is concentrated in Europe to a great extent. Around 75 percent of Russians live in the European part of the country with vast spaces of Siberia and the Far East still generally underpopulated due to the harsh climate.

https://www.rbth.com/arts/327309-is-russia-europe-or-asia

European Russia is the western part of the Russian Federation, which is located in Eastern Europe. It covers up to 39% of Europe's total land area,[1] and comprises 15% of Europe's total population. Although European Russia covers less than 25% of Russia's territory, it has a population of 110 million people, housing 78% of Russia's population, making Russia the most populous European nation. All three federal cities of Russia lie within European Russia, namely Moscow, the capital of the Russian Federation and the most populous city entirely within Europe; Saint Petersburg, the cultural capital and the second-most populous city in the country; and Sevastopol, located within the disputed territory of Crimea and considered by most countries in the world to be part of Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Russia



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John2290 said:

Russia isn't in Europe, it's in Asia. 

Ireland isn't in Europe, it's in the Atlantic Ocean.



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Pyro as Bill said:
John2290 said:

Russia isn't in Europe, it's in Asia. 

Ireland isn't in Europe, it's in the Atlantic Ocean.

That sounds so harsh.....
As far as Im concerned, ireland is too a part of europe.



JRPGfan said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Ireland isn't in Europe, it's in the Atlantic Ocean.

That sounds so harsh.....
As far as Im concerned, ireland is too a part of europe.

I think that was meant to be a joke. XD.



Busted....

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-premier-sparks-confusion-over-social-gathering-rules-after-weekend-visit-with-daughters-1.4933644

Premier Doug Ford has caused confusion about Ontario's emergency COVID-19 measures by admitting that he visited with his daughters at his home on Mother’s Day. Ford told reporters at Queen’s Park on Monday that he had two of his daughters over this weekend, which prompted a question about whether people can expand their social circle and start visiting with family outside of their household. Ford, who lives with his wife and two of his four daughters, said his two other daughters, who do not live with him, came over to visit.

The current guidelines issued by the provincial government say that "everyone in Ontario should practice physical distancing to reduce their exposure to other people. This means staying at least two metres away from anyone outside your household." In March, the Ontario government made gatherings of more than five people, with the exception of those who live together, illegal. The order still remains in place.

Ford said that the Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. David Williams, wants Ontarians interacting with "immediate family" only. Williams, however, made it clear on Monday that was not his recommendations. He said that that Ontarians should only gather with those within their immediate household. He said that if people want to visit family, they must practice physical distancing and remain six feet apart. For example, he said that his family visited over the weekend, but stayed on the lawn.

Sure, he made them stay on the lawn, it was raining and miserable yesterday lol.


When the cases of COVID-19 steadily decline in Ontario for an extended period, Williams said that officials may allow people to extend their social bubble to include more people, but at the moment that isn’t the case.

Ford, on the other hand, appears to believe the province is in a position where those restrictions should be eased up. CTV News Toronto contacted the premier’s office for further clarification after Ford made the contradicting remarks.



How did we end up with this turd. At least the recent crap weather has further declined the reported cases in Ontario. Any effects from mother's day will start showing up by the end of the week. The nice weather last weekend already caused a small increase week over week. Overall we're still heading in the right direction, a little more patience to get it and keep it under control.



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John2290 said:

Russia isn't in Europe, it's in Asia. 

Russia is in Eurasia, like the UK and China.



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John2290 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Ireland isn't in Europe, it's in the Atlantic Ocean.

As it should be, Ireland is hanging out here away from the lunacy of the continent. We're to Europe what Hawaii is the the US. 

I thought iceland or Greenland have that Hawaiian job.



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John2290 said:
RolStoppable said:

Makes me wonder how you view the Europe of the 20th century before the Soviet Union had collapsed.

I didn't and don't. Europe is what it is now, not then. Same with Russia. 

So the deeply intertwined history of Russia with European countries and their obvious European culture which is far removed from any Asian influences means nothing?

Russia is just as European as France, Germany or any other country here. If you want to boot out any country then do it with Turkey.



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RolStoppable said:

It's normal that people start to care less and become more careless with the numbers going down. Additionally, over time people realize that corona infections don't happen when two or more people are within two meters of each other; it dawns on them that only an infected person can transmit the virus. So life begins to return to normal because people are trusting each other that nobody is infected.

Government officials know how it works too. They know that some of the restrictions are mostly bogus, like visits from relatives or friends. Too bad of Ford to let that slip.

Relatives have spouses who have other relatives, we're all connected! The problem is many people don't know they're infected and contagious, an of course everyone thinks it's only the other people that have it. Nobody is infected, the numbers are all a lie :)

Ford's mistakes are letting it slip and being casual about something that's still killing many people each day. Lead by example is a hollow statement nowadays.

And yep, people are getting more careless now a false sense of security is creeping in. Kids playing in the park again which is still closed. The virus can still survive for 4 days on the climbers and swings etc.

Anyway, this little twitter mishap doesn't compare to March break and not protecting elderly homes by letting people keep working at different facilities for the longest time. Politicians are too busy being friendly to gain votes instead of doing their job.



John2290 said:
vivster said:

So the deeply intertwined history of Russia with European countries and their obvious European culture which is far removed from any Asian influences means nothing?

Russia is just as European as France, Germany or any other country here. If you want to boot out any country then do it with Turkey.

Nah. Their politics and vodka make them exempt. 

Their politics are European and so are the potatoes they use for their Vodka.



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