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Just like nothing, 4 millions in a few hours :(



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Looking at the new US unemployment of 14.7% is really depressing. The world is gonna suck after coronavirus.



John2290 said:
vivster said:

There are so many falsehoods in that small paragraph, I can't believe I say this but I kinda expected better even from you.

But lets first make clear that I am really really glad that I am not an American. I live in a democracy and it's pretty great. I don't have to fear Chinese propaganda or lies because where I live people are held accountable when they spread lies. The right wing isn't the issue, I should know I have lived under a right wing government for almost 15 years now. I also consider myself slightly right leaning. That's why I was talking specifically about the US right, which would be considered in any other country as far right populists. Those people aren't respected anywhere in Europe and frankly basically every other country in the world, no matter their political affiliation, is laughing about the Republican party. A party that pledges its full support to a man who they hate. A man with so little values that it's even eroding the last tiny bit of credibility the party had.

China has absolutely infiltrated the US, but not how you think they did. I'm not even talking about the massive amount of debt that the US owes China. I'm talking about giant US corporations with business in China that they wouldn't want to sacrifice. Giant corporations which are naturally huge fans of the Republican party are under the foot of China because that's where they wanted to be to squeeze out a few more bucks by selling any integrity they might've have left. The influence China has over America is 100% self inflicted, willingly. The US is the main reason China was even able to acquire that much influence. So talking about bad Chinese influence on the US is a bit ironic, considering it's exactly what the US wants.

As for the Chinese influence on media, I highly doubt that China is forcing US officials to spread lies on a daily basis. Lies that are so blatant that you don't even have to be a journalist to uncover them. There probably is some influence somewhere but if anything it's being buried under self inflicted scandals. China couldn't even dream to make the US look as bad as they portrait themselves.

Now I am absolutely not saying that China did a better job with the virus. What China does to their citizens is abhorrent. And that's kinda the point. If you have to compare the treatment of your own population with China you already lost. Pointing fingers at China is not gonna stop people from dying in the US, even if Republicans like to think so.

Lol, at the bolded. Anyway, yeah  I remember arguing with you why lockdowns needed to happen and why thr flu was wotse than covid so I'm not arguing again over a truth you won't accept. China controls their tech and media compnaies, China has a hand in everyoes pocket and even when they don't the still have influence in corporations who want to make usr of their crazy sized population. Like it or not, China owns a large part of west and many talking heads are willing to repeat Chinese propaganda and/or go against the West (just a few weeks ago  ) and the US has been in a cyber war with China for years now. Just look it up, it isn't hidden, not more than a few weeks ago one of the big US papers printed Chinese propaganda from a CCP website copy/pasted and labeled it fact and that is one occurrence among hundreds more less obvious instances I've spotted over the years. Pointing the finger at China does help because they need to wipe western debt for the crime on humanity of covering this up and knowing what they were doing at the time. 

I usually disagree with a lot of your posts and over exaggerations, but see eye to eye with you here. 

Anyone denying that China is doing any and everything to shift blame off itself is deluding themselves and the pro China propaganda being spread is very obvious because unlike Russia, China isn't very good at it and you can spot it incredibly easy. Its backfired in many cases anyways because of how awful they are at it. Its clear that other poster can't hide their bias against the US and thats fine and also a common sentiment in Germany anyways lol. But the reality is that America isn't alone in criticizing China. Australia, many African countries, many EU countries, and many Asian countries have also joined in and called for Chinese transparency instead of their blatant propaganda.



kazuyamishima said:
Just like nothing, 4 millions in a few hours :(

30mins lateron, and we hit 4m

currently at 4,000,975.



newwil7l said:

I usually disagree with a lot of your posts and over exaggerations, but see eye to eye with you here. 

Anyone denying that China is doing any and everything to shift blame off itself is deluding themselves and the pro China propaganda being spread is very obvious because unlike Russia, China isn't very good at it and you can spot it incredibly easy. Its backfired in many cases anyways because of how awful they are at it. Its clear that other poster can't hide their bias against the US and thats fine and also a common sentiment in Germany anyways lol. But the reality is that America isn't alone in criticizing China. Australia, many African countries, many EU countries, and many Asian countries have also joined in and called for Chinese transparency instead of their blatant propaganda.

What is going on in China atm. They are positing 1 or 2 new cases a day and haven't reported a single death since April 27th. Are we supposed to believe it's completely eliminated in China and only 1 or 2 infected people show up at the border each day?

Since their active cases are down to 260 (or so they say) the fatality rate of 6% seems to be their final outcome. It's unfortunate all our early math models were based on Chinese data of the early spread, unreliable data, unreliable predictions. At least it didn't turn out to be worse.



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JRPGfan said:
kazuyamishima said:
Just like nothing, 4 millions in a few hours :(

30mins lateron, and we hit 4m

currently at 4,000,975.

F*ck, that was quick. 



Joe and Elon had a decent discussion about Covid 19 recently. Joe seems more open to what happened, but Elon clearly thinks things weren't handled very well. Elon actually knew about it from the beginning having to deal with the new Tesla Gigafactory construction and production in Shanghai China this year. I agree with Elon's view on the situation.

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SvennoJ said:

Now here is some good news!


https://calgaryherald.com/cannabis/cannabis-shows-promise-blocking-coronavirus-infection-alberta-researcher/

Cannabis extracts are showing potential in making people more resistant to the novel coronavirus, says an Alberta researcher leading a study.

After sifting through 400 cannabis strains, researchers at the University of Lethbridge are concentrating on about a dozen that show promising results in ensuring less fertile ground for the potentially lethal virus to take root, said biological scientist Dr. Igor Kovalchuk.

“A number of them have reduced the number of these (virus) receptors by 73 per cent, the chance of it getting in is much lower,” said Kovalchuk.


Caveat: said Kovalchuk, whose Pathway RX is owned partly by Olds-based licensed cannabis producer Sundial Growers and partnered with Alberta cannabis researcher Swysh.


 it’s generally the anti-inflammatory properties of high-CBD content that have shown most promise, he added.

“We focus more on the higher CBD because people can take higher doses and not be impaired,” said Kovalchuk.

The study under Health Canada licence using artificial human 3-D tissue models has been seeking ways to hinder the highly contagious novel coronavirus from finding a host in the lungs, intestines, and oral cavity.



https://torontosun.com/cannabis/cannabis-shows-promise-blocking-coronavirus-infection-alberta-researcher/wcm/a5372400-044f-4364-990b-4424c16598a0

Israeli researchers have begun clinical trials of CBD as a treatment to repair cells damaged by COVID-19 by using its anti-inflammatory abilities.

It’s thought CBD could enhance the traditional effect of steroids in such treatment of patients in life-threatening condition and also bolster the immune system.

"Showing Potential" is far from anything definitive I am afraid... Plus it seems there is a conflict of interest financially anyway, so grains of salt and all that.

Just like those who propagate the idea that Cannabis cures cancer, diabetes and every other disease known to man.

It can have some beneficial effects, but it's far from a cure-all that some would want you to believe, my grand mother had a CBD "expert" contact her and got her taking it for her diabetes, she was later hospitalized because it spiked her insulin levels.

A friend of mine started taking it at the expense of Chemo treatment. He died.

Alas, the dangers of ignoring science.




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vivster said:
John2290 said:

No, the whole world doesn't hate the right and this has been the case for the latter half of the decade. A cascade of countries have voted in conservatives and "the right". Also, from an outsider looking in, it's the left that are the ones who are evil a mnd use peoples emotions as tools to get thwir own way, the right is indeed stupid but they are honest, hardworking and more reasonable on average. Not even in your own country do people hate republicans cause over half voted one in a few years ogo. You're media, industries and businesses have been infiltrated by China and they have massive influence over them. 

And if you really think that, move to China then or a poor country, you'll learn to cherish what you have in America if you do and no, Japan doesn't count. 

There are so many falsehoods in that small paragraph, I can't believe I say this but I kinda expected better even from you.

But lets first make clear that I am really really glad that I am not an American. I live in a democracy and it's pretty great. I don't have to fear Chinese propaganda or lies because where I live people are held accountable when they spread lies. The right wing isn't the issue, I should know I have lived under a right wing government for almost 15 years now. I also consider myself slightly right leaning. That's why I was talking specifically about the US right, which would be considered in any other country as far right populists. Those people aren't respected anywhere in Europe and frankly basically every other country in the world, no matter their political affiliation, is laughing about the Republican party. A party that pledges its full support to a man who they hate. A man with so little values that it's even eroding the last tiny bit of credibility the party had.

China has absolutely infiltrated the US, but not how you think they did. I'm not even talking about the massive amount of debt that the US owes China. I'm talking about giant US corporations with business in China that they wouldn't want to sacrifice. Giant corporations which are naturally huge fans of the Republican party are under the foot of China because that's where they wanted to be to squeeze out a few more bucks by selling any integrity they might've have left. The influence China has over America is 100% self inflicted, willingly. The US is the main reason China was even able to acquire that much influence. So talking about bad Chinese influence on the US is a bit ironic, considering it's exactly what the US wants.

As for the Chinese influence on media, I highly doubt that China is forcing US officials to spread lies on a daily basis. Lies that are so blatant that you don't even have to be a journalist to uncover them. There probably is some influence somewhere but if anything it's being buried under self inflicted scandals. China couldn't even dream to make the US look as bad as they portrait themselves.

Now I am absolutely not saying that China did a better job with the virus. What China does to their citizens is abhorrent. And that's kinda the point. If you have to compare the treatment of your own population with China you already lost. Pointing fingers at China is not gonna stop people from dying in the US, even if Republicans like to think so.

You're pretty naive. Why didn't EU leaders agree with the letter the EU sent out that ignored the fact the virus came from China? (What's the yen symbol shortcut on my keyboard?)

China owns large parts of the West (and the South, East and North) and uses that to subvert the West. It's fair game because the West does exactly the same to them. It's no different than Russia and the UK putting their subs and planes in each other's airspace/waters and playing hide n seek with each other.

I know Russia are the bad guys but it's hilarious whenever they rick roll Poland with a nuclear bomber.



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Pemalite said:

"Showing Potential" is far from anything definitive I am afraid... Plus it seems there is a conflict of interest financially anyway, so grains of salt and all that.

Just like those who propagate the idea that Cannabis cures cancer, diabetes and every other disease known to man.

It can have some beneficial effects, but it's far from a cure-all that some would want you to believe, my grand mother had a CBD "expert" contact her and got her taking it for her diabetes, she was later hospitalized because it spiked her insulin levels.

A friend of mine started taking it at the expense of Chemo treatment. He died.

Alas, the dangers of ignoring science.

I never heard of using instead of chemo, it just helps combat the nausea. Chemo treatment is no guarantee either and understandable when people with low survival chances would rather not endure the 'cure'.

Always do your own research, plus they already said of their own research that you can't simply buy those specific canaboids in a store anyway. It's a long way away from a viable 'treatment' or preventative measure, but the anti inflammatory properties are well known. However you also have to be careful there.

It does help to get a good sleep, which is a natural cure :)


Sleeping is better than reading more of what's in store
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canada-s-jobless-rate-soars-to-13-per-cent-in-april-1.4930397

3 million jobs lost already.

The unemployment rate would have been 17.8 per cent had the agency's labour force survey counted among the unemployed the 1.1 million who stopped looking for work -- likely because the COVID-19 economic shutdown has limited job opportunities.

In all, more than one-third of the labour force didn't work or had reduced hours in April, an "underutilization rate" that was more than three times higher than in February before the pandemic struck.


Calling water wet
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-undoubtedly-in-recessionary-time-federal-finance-minister-says-1.4931424

During his address to the nation on Friday, Trudeau said that “this is one of the first recessions we’ve ever seen that has so hard hit vulnerable workers.” He also spoke to how the last two months of jobs numbers indicate that women, new Canadians and young people are being particularly impacted. Trudeau said the federal government will have to think about those groups and how to better support them after the crisis.

It can be years to dig back out of this hole.


Sadly my prediction of an uptick after the nice weather last weekend came true.
The province confirmed 477 new cases of the virus on Friday, the biggest single-day spike since May 2.
We're still far away from Australia's levels. My local county just reported it's 100th case, back to zero days since.



Also some good news
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sfu-professor-andy-hoffer-diaphragm-electrical-stimulation-us-fda-covid-19-1.5560905

A Simon Fraser University professor's invention submitted for patents 13 years ago has been granted approval for emergency use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration during the COVID-19 pandemic to help wean critically ill patients off ventilators.

The diaphragmatic pacing therapy system strengthens the diaphragm, which becomes weaker when a ventilator takes over to help a patient breathe.
"If a patient is on a ventilator for more than a day or two, the diaphragm really atrophies very fast. It can atrophy to half its size in three days of ventilation," explained Hoffer. Consequently, "about 30 per cent of patients on ventilators fail to wean because their capacity to breathe on their own is less than minimum."

The system had been undergoing clinical trials in more than 40 hospitals in Europe and the U.S. when they were put on hold due to the COVID-19 pandemic. But it was brought back into the spotlight as ventilator use increased due to the symptoms of COVID-19, which include severe respiratory problems. Hoffer said the FDA approved the system for emergency use in hospitals on April 14, to help severely ill patients who are having difficulties recovering after prolonged ventilator use.

He said clinical trials are expected to eventually resume and he hopes the product will be cleared for regular use in the U.S. and Canada. Hoffer said the diaphragm can be a key aspect to recovery for patients with respiratory issues and the muscle shouldn't be underestimated. "It never rests from your first breath to your last breath," he said.