John2290 said:
vivster said:
There are so many falsehoods in that small paragraph, I can't believe I say this but I kinda expected better even from you.
But lets first make clear that I am really really glad that I am not an American. I live in a democracy and it's pretty great. I don't have to fear Chinese propaganda or lies because where I live people are held accountable when they spread lies. The right wing isn't the issue, I should know I have lived under a right wing government for almost 15 years now. I also consider myself slightly right leaning. That's why I was talking specifically about the US right, which would be considered in any other country as far right populists. Those people aren't respected anywhere in Europe and frankly basically every other country in the world, no matter their political affiliation, is laughing about the Republican party. A party that pledges its full support to a man who they hate. A man with so little values that it's even eroding the last tiny bit of credibility the party had.
China has absolutely infiltrated the US, but not how you think they did. I'm not even talking about the massive amount of debt that the US owes China. I'm talking about giant US corporations with business in China that they wouldn't want to sacrifice. Giant corporations which are naturally huge fans of the Republican party are under the foot of China because that's where they wanted to be to squeeze out a few more bucks by selling any integrity they might've have left. The influence China has over America is 100% self inflicted, willingly. The US is the main reason China was even able to acquire that much influence. So talking about bad Chinese influence on the US is a bit ironic, considering it's exactly what the US wants.
As for the Chinese influence on media, I highly doubt that China is forcing US officials to spread lies on a daily basis. Lies that are so blatant that you don't even have to be a journalist to uncover them. There probably is some influence somewhere but if anything it's being buried under self inflicted scandals. China couldn't even dream to make the US look as bad as they portrait themselves.
Now I am absolutely not saying that China did a better job with the virus. What China does to their citizens is abhorrent. And that's kinda the point. If you have to compare the treatment of your own population with China you already lost. Pointing fingers at China is not gonna stop people from dying in the US, even if Republicans like to think so.
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Lol, at the bolded. Anyway, yeah I remember arguing with you why lockdowns needed to happen and why thr flu was wotse than covid so I'm not arguing again over a truth you won't accept. China controls their tech and media compnaies, China has a hand in everyoes pocket and even when they don't the still have influence in corporations who want to make usr of their crazy sized population. Like it or not, China owns a large part of west and many talking heads are willing to repeat Chinese propaganda and/or go against the West (just a few weeks ago ) and the US has been in a cyber war with China for years now. Just look it up, it isn't hidden, not more than a few weeks ago one of the big US papers printed Chinese propaganda from a CCP website copy/pasted and labeled it fact and that is one occurrence among hundreds more less obvious instances I've spotted over the years. Pointing the finger at China does help because they need to wipe western debt for the crime on humanity of covering this up and knowing what they were doing at the time.
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I usually disagree with a lot of your posts and over exaggerations, but see eye to eye with you here.
Anyone denying that China is doing any and everything to shift blame off itself is deluding themselves and the pro China propaganda being spread is very obvious because unlike Russia, China isn't very good at it and you can spot it incredibly easy. Its backfired in many cases anyways because of how awful they are at it. Its clear that other poster can't hide their bias against the US and thats fine and also a common sentiment in Germany anyways lol. But the reality is that America isn't alone in criticizing China. Australia, many African countries, many EU countries, and many Asian countries have also joined in and called for Chinese transparency instead of their blatant propaganda.
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