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Nautilus said:
Someone can give me a link to that website that tracks the number of infected tyhrough the world?

I know it is buried somewhere in the thread, but I'm not going to search for it lol

Wikipedia actually has good data, you can click on countries in the table to get more detailed data about them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Epidemiology

Many also use worldometer: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And the most official is the data from the WHO: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd



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Ugh, getting hotter here

- 39 new cases in Ontario, marking the biggest single-day increase: 14 in Toronto, 5 in Peel, 5 in Ottawa, 3 in Hamilton, 3 in York Region, 2 in Waterloo, 2 in Durham, 2 in Simcoe-Muskoka, 1 in Niagara, 1 in Haliburton-Kawartha-Pineridge and 1 "pending."

The brits are cheery

UK: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalization” a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials, seen by the Guardian, reveals [source]

- “A year is entirely plausible. But that figure isn’t well appreciated or understood [...] I think it will dip in the summer, towards the end of June, and come back in November, in the way that usual seasonal flu does. I think it will be around forever, but become less severe over time, as immunity builds up,” commented Paul Hunter, an expert in epidemiology [source]



SvennoJ said:
The brits are cheery

UK: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalization” a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials, seen by the Guardian, reveals [source]

- “A year is entirely plausible. But that figure isn’t well appreciated or understood [...] I think it will dip in the summer, towards the end of June, and come back in November, in the way that usual seasonal flu does. I think it will be around forever, but become less severe over time, as immunity builds up,” commented Paul Hunter, an expert in epidemiology [source]

So their plan is to not even try to contain it in the first place. Nice going guys, thanks for fucking it up for everyone who got it contained.



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NightlyPoe said:
Mnementh said:

So their plan is to not even try to contain it in the first place. Nice going guys, thanks for fucking it up for everyone who got it contained.

Who else got it contained?

China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea.



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NightlyPoe said:
Mnementh said:

China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea.

Those aren't contained.  The virus is still spreading.  They've just mitigated it, the same as everyone else.

They have stopped exponential growth and new infections are going down. This is usually considered contained.



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John2290 said:
NightlyPoe said:

You've been on this thread for the last week.  I know you know that the vast majority of the people who catch this have mild symptoms.

But millions will be sick enough to need a very limited supply of medical equipment to survive, this is fact, even spread those numbers out over two years with the time they need the vast majority will die but the UK are going to let a spike like Italy, just happen. What is it that i am missing? Please tell me I am missing something.



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Mnementh said:
SvennoJ said:
The brits are cheery

UK: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalization” a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials, seen by the Guardian, reveals [source]

- “A year is entirely plausible. But that figure isn’t well appreciated or understood [...] I think it will dip in the summer, towards the end of June, and come back in November, in the way that usual seasonal flu does. I think it will be around forever, but become less severe over time, as immunity builds up,” commented Paul Hunter, an expert in epidemiology [source]

So their plan is to not even try to contain it in the first place. Nice going guys, thanks for fucking it up for everyone who got it contained.

So don't visit us and ban/quarantine all UK visitors to your country.

I don't think blaming other countries for their approach is a great idea right now especially when you're complaining about a country that has contained this better than many other European countries.



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John2290 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

The Young still have the ICU beds and staff and will be prioritised until the quarantine catches up, when they run out those numbers go up (with no quarantine). 2

The aim is not to give the vulnerable a chance to catch it by locking them up instead.

We're still lagging behind other countries because our testing/isolating regime was better at the start, that's why we haven't locked down and have more options to choose from. If it gets out of control then yes, we'll be forced to lock down but if we can successfully isolate those who have a bad outlook, it becomes 'just a flu bro' for the rest of us and we end up immune while the vulnerable get some herd immunity against the next wave.



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NightlyPoe said:
John2290 said:

But millions will be sick enough to need a very limited supply of medical equipment to survive, this is fact, even spread those numbers out over two years with the time they need the vast majority will die but the UK are going to let a spike like Italy, just happen. What is it that i am missing? Please tell me I am missing something.

The UK is not letting a spike happen.  They're mitigating as best they can.  Seriously, what fever swamps are you guys reading?  Whatever it is, knock it off because it's nothing but hate-filled garbage that's polluting your view of the world.

That 7.9 million people need hospitalization estimate was from the UK, but reported by The Guardian, which is indeed fever swamp.

However more conservative estimates, 40% infected at peak, 5% need ICU, 1.32 million need to be hospitalized in the UK. There are 167K hospital beds in the UK. So any peak can not be more than 5% of the population, and then you still have to convert all those hospital beds into ICU beds with ventilators. Plus it takes 2 to 4 weeks to recover when you need to get into the ICU. And of course those 167K beds aren't just available.

Maximum effort on containment is key while producing more equipment, build more hospitals, research medication and a vaccine.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/welfare-cuts-left-uk-undefended-coronavirus-200312193147678.html
Dunno if it's credible, hope not :(

Italian doctors have warned medics across Europe to "get ready" for Coronavirus in a letter revealing that up to 10 percent of all those infected with coronavirus need intensive care, with hospitals becoming overwhelmed.

There are more than 4,000 intensive care beds in the UK, but about four-fifths are currently occupied, according to those OECD figures. Once all hospitals start taking patients, the NHS will be forced to cut back on various types of surgery and treatment, to relieve a little pressure on intensive care. But there is clearly a limit to how many patients can be admitted into intensive care.

Most cases will be mild, although the evidence suggests one in five may need hospital treatment, with one in 10 needing critical care. That would certainly put the NHS under strain, even if the proportion of cases is half the worst-case projections.


So true, the UK has no other option than not to let a spike happen.

Canada is not much better, 2.5 beds per 1,000 people, Ontario 2.3, same as the UK :/



NightlyPoe said:
SvennoJ said:

That 7.9 million people need hospitalization estimate was from the UK, but reported by The Guardian, which is indeed fever swamp.

However more conservative estimates, 40% infected at peak, 5% need ICU, 1.32 million need to be hospitalized in the UK. There are 167K hospital beds in the UK. So any peak can not be more than 5% of the population, and then you still have to convert all those hospital beds into ICU beds with ventilators. Plus it takes 2 to 4 weeks to recover when you need to get into the ICU. And of course those 167K beds aren't just available.

Maximum effort on containment is key while producing more equipment, build more hospitals, research medication and a vaccine.

40% infected at peak is not a conservative estimate.  And, regardless, it doesn't address that it's not what the UK government wants to happen.

The 5% was, Italy says it's 10% that needs ICU :/ It all depends on how many unreported mild cases there are of course.

With 4,000 ICU beds, active (detected/reported) cases need to say under 40k... It's a hard goal, let's keep it under.