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Shiken said:
RolStoppable said:
This reads like the typical stupidity that a more powerful Switch is needed - an idea that falls flat on its face because third parties won't exclusively target the more powerful Switch iteration due to its much lower installed base.

Nintendo is going to stick with the hybrid idea, but when the next generation comes, it will be a clear distinction from Switch and not a destination that was reached by doing multiple incremental steps inbetween.

Never said it was ever needed, just something I could see them doing.  Nintendo was the first of the big three to introduce a mid gen refresh however after all with the NEW 3DS, which also had a few games exclusive to it that could not run on the base 3DS.  There is literally no reason to believe that they would not expand on that idea.

Furthermore, by your logic, if devs would not release a game that could only run on the new model if it needed the extra juice then every PS5 and XSX game would also run on a base X1.  You and I both know that will not be the case however.

It would be no different than those specific games being treated as a new console generation, which kind of debunks the entire premise that they would ignore it based on install base alone.

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RolStoppable said:
Shiken said:

Never said it was ever needed, just something I could see them doing.  Nintendo was the first of the big three to introduce a mid gen refresh however after all with the NEW 3DS, which also had a few games exclusive to it that could not run on the base 3DS.  There is literally no reason to believe that they would not expand on that idea.

Furthermore, by your logic, if devs would not release a game that could only run on the new model if it needed the extra juice then every PS5 and XSX game would also run on a base X1.  You and I both know that will not be the case however.

It would be no different than those specific games being treated as a new console generation, which kind of debunks the entire premise that they would ignore it based on install base alone.

The Game Boy and DS also had mid-gen refreshes. If you look at those three mid-gen refreshes done by Nintendo (GB Color, DSi and New 3DS), you'll notice that the number of games that didn't run on the original iteration of each console got smaller from generation to generation. Given that the only 3DS games that didn't run on the base 3DS were first party titles, it makes your justification for your idea very weak.

I've read your second and third paragraph four times, but I still can't make any sense out of them.

Yeah if you didn't count some eshop games



HoangNhatAnh said:
RolStoppable said:

The Game Boy and DS also had mid-gen refreshes. If you look at those three mid-gen refreshes done by Nintendo (GB Color, DSi and New 3DS), you'll notice that the number of games that didn't run on the original iteration of each console got smaller from generation to generation. Given that the only 3DS games that didn't run on the base 3DS were first party titles, it makes your justification for your idea very weak.

I've read your second and third paragraph four times, but I still can't make any sense out of them.

Yeah if you didn't count some eshop games

I certainly don't count third party games that were part of the SNES Virtual Console on the New 3DS.

But sure, there's Minecraft which is only on the New 3DS. However, that doesn't help Shiken's side of the argument either.



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super_etecoon said:
vivster said:
I wish they would drop the name and choose something better for their next generation.

I probably have never disagreed more with a post in all my time here.

Then you haven't read a lot of my posts.



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Wyrdness said:
Slownenberg said:
I think a Pro model will release in 2021. But it'll just be a different version of the same system, like the Lite. It isn't gonna run different games, that would be stupid. It'll just run the current games with better resolution or better fps. I could totally see them dropping the Lite and OG Switch to like $180 and $240 or something and then coming out with the Pro at $300 so they maintain that higher price point for people who are willing to pay a premium to get the best version (and because there are always a certain amount of nintendo fans who will double dip on the same system to get the different versions).

The's no point for that the Lite was not just to be a cheaper version it was to open the Switch up to something handhelds have had over consoles for decades and that's being more than one per household this is why a portable only version was made as more than one person in the house can be on a Switch which is especially important for families with kids or households with more than one person who games in general.

A pro version in 2021 offers no such benefits it does not open any new strategy for Nintendo nor are the people who pay premium prices the people Nintendo were aiming for to begin with that crowd wouldn't be interested in a Switch Pro if they don't already have one as the platform was never about what they're looking for.

Well your argument clearly has not played out through sales history. Your argument is saying Xbox One X shouldn't have been made, PS4 Pro shouldn't have been made, Game Boy Color shouldn't have been made, the upgrades to the 3DS shouldn't have been made, etc. Upgrades to systems to provide a little better performance have been done plenty and are continuing to be done. So why would it not make sense on the Switch? As it has done on all these other systems, it offers a premium play experience for the system, and in the case of a portable, as I said, some nintendo fans like to get every version of portables as well. Having the Lite in now way does anything to make there be no point in having a premium version of the Switch. The Lite is the exact opposite of that, its the cheap version of the Switch. If you had actual history to back you up then you could make your point, like if the 3DS XL and New 3DS or whatever premium versions they had bombed then you could make your point, but the New 3DS actually became the main version of the 3DS, so history proves the exact opposite of your argument.



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HoangNhatAnh said:
Shiken said:

Never said it was ever needed, just something I could see them doing.  Nintendo was the first of the big three to introduce a mid gen refresh however after all with the NEW 3DS, which also had a few games exclusive to it that could not run on the base 3DS.  There is literally no reason to believe that they would not expand on that idea.

Furthermore, by your logic, if devs would not release a game that could only run on the new model if it needed the extra juice then every PS5 and XSX game would also run on a base X1.  You and I both know that will not be the case however.

It would be no different than those specific games being treated as a new console generation, which kind of debunks the entire premise that they would ignore it based on install base alone.

GB - GBC, DS - DSi, you are welcome

Those are also not at all the same.  It ran games exactly the same but was either smaller form factor or added color.

The NEW 3DS has games that cannot be run on the 3DS like Xenoblade 3D and all SNES classics.  It also boosts the performance a good bit for more demanding games.  Hyrule Warriors for example ran at a solid 30 fps on the NEW 3DS while the base 3DS XL chugged at around 20 fps.  A far cry from what any of those you mentioned were.

A new SKU =/= an entirely new device with different specs and performance.  There is a lot more that goes into it than that.



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Slownenberg said:

Well your argument clearly has not played out through sales history. Your argument is saying Xbox One X shouldn't have been made, PS4 Pro shouldn't have been made, Game Boy Color shouldn't have been made, the upgrades to the 3DS shouldn't have been made, etc. Upgrades to systems to provide a little better performance have been done plenty and are continuing to be done. So why would it not make sense on the Switch? As it has done on all these other systems, it offers a premium play experience for the system, and in the case of a portable, as I said, some nintendo fans like to get every version of portables as well. Having the Lite in now way does anything to make there be no point in having a premium version of the Switch. The Lite is the exact opposite of that, its the cheap version of the Switch. If you had actual history to back you up then you could make your point, like if the 3DS XL and New 3DS or whatever premium versions they had bombed then you could make your point, but the New 3DS actually became the main version of the 3DS, so history proves the exact opposite of your argument.

No my argument has factored those in fine yours has not properly looked at them in the actual context of their performance, GBC came 9 years after the GB released this is in contrast to your 2021 prediction which is only 4 years into the life of the platform it is in fact a prime example that counters your argument GBC was also handled like a successor it was essentially like a new platform and had its own library the same can't be said for N3DS, PS4p and X1X. Success isn't about a little better performance it's about significant performance X1X giving a little better performance hasn't stopped it getting destroyed it barely made a difference to the point that in the three weeks Switch caught up with X1 it has already been left behind by a full 3m, PS4p didn't make any difference to the market as the PS4 was heavily the market leader to begin with the same result would have happened with out a pro model.

3DS XL is also not a premium model like you're arguing you're going on about a model with increased performance the 3DS XL doesn't do that it's just an aesthetic change the price was even cheaper this doesn't back your argument in anyway the N3DS would be the main model you know why? It's the only model Nintendo made available since 2015 as it cost too much to have numerous variants on the market in other words people have no choice but to buy the N3DS this again counters your own argument you haven't really look up the factors in your argument here.

Read what I posted about the Lite so you understand why it was released it's more than just a cheap version the's a strategic and market based reasoning for its creation.



Shiken said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

GB - GBC, DS - DSi, you are welcome

Those are also not at all the same.  It ran games exactly the same but was either smaller form factor or added color.

The NEW 3DS has games that cannot be run on the 3DS like Xenoblade 3D and all SNES classics.  It also boosts the performance a good bit for more demanding games.  Hyrule Warriors for example ran at a solid 30 fps on the NEW 3DS while the base 3DS XL chugged at around 20 fps.  A far cry from what any of those you mentioned were.

A new SKU =/= an entirely new device with different specs and performance.  There is a lot more that goes into it than that.

GBC had an entire library of games that could only run on it so he's right in that sense as the platform was significantly more capable than the normal GB more so than the N3DS to the normal 3DS.



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Wyrdness said:
Slownenberg said:

Well your argument clearly has not played out through sales history. Your argument is saying Xbox One X shouldn't have been made, PS4 Pro shouldn't have been made, Game Boy Color shouldn't have been made, the upgrades to the 3DS shouldn't have been made, etc. Upgrades to systems to provide a little better performance have been done plenty and are continuing to be done. So why would it not make sense on the Switch? As it has done on all these other systems, it offers a premium play experience for the system, and in the case of a portable, as I said, some nintendo fans like to get every version of portables as well. Having the Lite in now way does anything to make there be no point in having a premium version of the Switch. The Lite is the exact opposite of that, its the cheap version of the Switch. If you had actual history to back you up then you could make your point, like if the 3DS XL and New 3DS or whatever premium versions they had bombed then you could make your point, but the New 3DS actually became the main version of the 3DS, so history proves the exact opposite of your argument.

No my argument has factored those in fine yours has not properly looked at them in the actual context of their performance, GBC came 9 years after the GB released this is in contrast to your 2021 prediction which is only 4 years into the life of the platform it is in fact a prime example that counters your argument GBC was also handled like a successor it was essentially like a new platform and had its own library the same can't be said for N3DS, PS4p and X1X. Success isn't about a little better performance it's about significant performance X1X giving a little better performance hasn't stopped it getting destroyed it barely made a difference to the point that in the three weeks Switch caught up with X1 it has already been left behind by a full 3m, PS4p didn't make any difference to the market as the PS4 was heavily the market leader to begin with the same result would have happened with out a pro model.

3DS XL is also not a premium model like you're arguing you're going on about a model with increased performance the 3DS XL doesn't do that it's just an aesthetic change the price was even cheaper this doesn't back your argument in anyway the N3DS would be the main model you know why? It's the only model Nintendo made available since 2015 as it cost too much to have numerous variants on the market in other words people have no choice but to buy the N3DS this again counters your own argument you haven't really look up the factors in your argument here.

Read what I posted about the Lite so you understand why it was released it's more than just a cheap version the's a strategic and market based reasoning for its creation.

So, your main argument is all about sales. I think that those people who got so called upgrade consoles and willing to spend money on them will disagree with your point about these consoles being unneeded investments from console maker's side. I think that all those people who upgraded from PS4 to Pro, from Xbox One to X and from 3DS to N3DS are quite happy that they have a choice to buy a better hardware.



 

derpysquirtle64 said:

So, your main argument is all about sales. I think that those people who got so called upgrade consoles and willing to spend money on them will disagree with your point about these consoles being unneeded investments from console maker's side. I think that all those people who upgraded from PS4 to Pro, from Xbox One to X and from 3DS to N3DS are quite happy that they have a choice to buy a better hardware.

As pointed out N3DS variant is the only available model of 3DS so ofcourse it'll be the model of choice this goes against the point he's trying to make on having multiple models on the market also show us how well having a X1X model has impacted its position in the market with the competition go on

Right now those people you and him are on about barely make any difference to the outcome of the market in the long run which is the whole point.